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# It’s nearly 2024 but do we know how the AE’s constructed the Pyramids

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2 hours ago, Alex_Rogan said:

If a stone block used in construction of a pyramid weighed 2.5 tons that would equal 5,000 pounds.

If a group of people weighed at least 150 pounds each, then a group of 34 people would weigh at least 5,100 pounds.

Couldn't platforms or harnesses be constructed and connected over the high point of construcion? Then load a stone on ground level in a harness or platform. Have a group of maybe 40 people on a platform at the high point of construction. Could they just use their counterweight and effortlessly slide down the backside of the construction project and lift the stone to the top? Then they could climb back to the top and repeat the process.

It's just a speculation idea while thinking about the construction of the Pyramids. Hopefully I didn't get the weights and math wrong. Please correct me if it's incorrect.

There exists such a proposal.  I believe that if they used such a means men would carry a little weight up with them and then ride down in a "boat" with the weight.  It would be very efficient.

I believe that the very top stones were done very much like you are suggesting.  When the top gets to narrow even for a boat to alight on it the few remaining stones were pulled up by teams of men and possibly assisted with counterweights.

There are several ways the pyramids could have been done consistent with the evidence but "ramps" aren't one of them.

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2 hours ago, DieChecker said:

think the idea would run into problems getting higher on the pyramid, as you'd need longer and longer ropes to reach the ground. And the ropes of that time were not tremendously strong. At least AFAIK.

Ropes were in hundred foot lengths and most would have been slings (loops at each end).  Usually this was plenty long enough because lifts were in 81' 3" increments (per the gravimetric scan).   When not long enough two or more ropes could be easily joined.

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Ropes were in hundred foot lengths and most would have been slings (loops at each end).  Usually this was plenty long enough because lifts were in 81' 3" increments (per the gravimetric scan).   When not long enough two or more ropes could be easily joined.

Ah. But Alex said the people would go down the other side as the counterweight. Thus requiring very long ropes.

As anyone who's delt with ropes knows, lengthening the rope adds to the chance of rope failure.

Similar to your idea, but different.

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1 hour ago, DieChecker said:

Ah. But Alex said the people would go down the other side as the counterweight. Thus requiring very long ropes.

This guy used to be a lot more active.  He's Franz Lohner.  It's really a pretty good idea but needs work to ,make it practical;

The pyramid is built in steps so it would be impossible to lift stones more than one step at a time as a rule.

Men walking up steps and riding a boat down is plenty efficient enough to have actually worked and it is consistent with the evidence.  If any ropes over 100' were needed then any of the joined ropes that are damaged would be easily replaced.

With so many easy ways to build pyramids why are Egyptologists fixated on ramps?  Why do they argue against evidence and common sense?

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1 hour ago, DieChecker said:

Ah. But Alex said the people would go down the other side as the counterweight. Thus requiring very long ropes.

As anyone who's delt with ropes knows, lengthening the rope adds to the chance of rope failure.

Similar to your idea, but different.

No need to use people as counterweights.
Any weight that could hang off would do fine.
Something like that may have been how they got the granite up the Grand Gallery. Wouldn't be needed for an ordinary pyramid stone.
Harte

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I was just considering a counterweight method to raise the stones and wondered about the problem of getting it back to the top.

After realizing that only 40 people could outweigh a stone, it occurred to me that they could just use their body weight and solve that problem by simply climbing back to the top.

It's just an idea inspired by posts in this thread. Seemed like the most simple, easiest way to get it done with minimal effort. I like exploring and entertaining these kinds of ideas. I'm impressed and inspired by the wealth of knowledge you all share in the Forums here. It's pretty cool.

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16 hours ago, Trelane said:

Aliens didn't need ramps. 👽

Only when their spaceship broke down….😉

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9 hours ago, Hanslune said:

He hasn't been the Minister of Antiquities for over a decade all he does now as act as the head of the scanpryamids projects. Do you know WHO is the current minister of Minister of Tourism and Antiquities is?

Maybe so but he is still the face and spokesman of egyptology.

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33 minutes ago, superman73 said:

Maybe so but he is still the face and spokesman of egyptology.

No he isn't. The fringe thinks he is as he is a publicity hound and sometimes says strange things.

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Not sure if that was a trick question, but according to wikipedia it's:

Ahmed Issa is an Egyptian, economist, banker and politician currently serving as minister of Tourism and Antiquities.

(hopefully this doesn't derail the thread. lol)

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12 hours ago, superman73 said:

Hawass is withholding and hiding many important finds from the general public! He's a shill.

This is the repeated mantra of the terminally uninformed. Egyptology has it wrong and are hiding the "REAL" truth? Give it your best shot.

The overwhelming majority of discoveries were made in the 19th and early 20th centuries. Their work is voluminous and often painstakingly documented. If one were to understand this basic truth and familiarize themselves with just a fraction of their work, which there are many to choose from, there would be little doubt that whatever the evil Hawass is hiding would be insignificant to any greater truths. Sorry, but this is not the droid you are looking for.

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29 minutes ago, Hanslune said:

No he isn't. The fringe thinks he is as he is a publicity hound and sometimes says strange things.

His nickname in my household for the last 20 odd years was “the media tart”.

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Only when their spaceship broke down….😉

Spaceship parked underneath Sphinx.

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It really doesn't matter if Hawass is running things or not since they are doing everything he says and not doing what je says not.

It was Hawass who said he wouldn't release results of testing and he is still chairing meetings.

No matter who is running things Egyptological opinions are becoming irrelevant because (did I mention) Egyptologists are not allowed access to data. Whoever is running it is driving it into the ground.

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10 hours ago, Hanslune said:

No he isn't. The fringe thinks he is as he is a publicity hound and sometimes says strange things.

Why is this exclusive to the fringe-he is a publicity hound that says strange things.

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12 minutes ago, Thanos5150 said:

Why is this exclusive to the fringe-he is a publicity hound that says strange things.

True. He’s always been that way. The documentaries he’s hosted where he and his teams have opened tombs and sarcophagi live on tv have been pretty cool I must admit.

The whole “Hawass is an evil criminal mastermind” schtick has its roots from when he first appeared opposite Schoch and West in The Mystery of the Sphinx back in 1993.

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4 hours ago, Trelane said:

Spaceship parked underneath Sphinx.

All those Egyptian's and not one of them a mechanic…

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All those Egyptian's and not one of them a mechanic…

Or mebbe they just couldn't learn Egyptian in order to tell them what was wrong with it.  😉

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Or mebbe they just couldn't learn Egyptian in order to tell them what was wrong with it.  😉

Probably Mike was outta town..🤣

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16 hours ago, Alex_Rogan said:

I was just considering a counterweight method to raise the stones and wondered about the problem of getting it back to the top.

After realizing that only 40 people could outweigh a stone, it occurred to me that they could just use their body weight and solve that problem by simply climbing back to the top.

It's just an idea inspired by posts in this thread. Seemed like the most simple, easiest way to get it done with minimal effort. I like exploring and entertaining these kinds of ideas. I'm impressed and inspired by the wealth of knowledge you all share in the Forums here. It's pretty cool.

Sandbags.
And they wouldn't need to equal the mass of the stone. Just provide an aid and a brake.
Or, of course, you could set up some kind of gigantic contraption to capture the cold geyser water that was constantly spewing out and use that as a counterweight.

Harte

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So if you had alien drones that could each exert 100 pounds of Force with their Tractor Beams, how many would be required to drag a 5000 pound stone up a slight incline. And how many would be required to simply lift that same stone? 50 to lift, and 10 to drag.

Aliens did it. Tractor beam is the only real explanation that makes sense, and is the only thing really evidenced at the sites.

(Sarcasm)

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It really doesn't matter if Hawass is running things or not since they are doing everything he says and not doing what je says not.

It was Hawass who said he wouldn't release results of testing and he is still chairing meetings.

No matter who is running things Egyptological opinions are becoming irrelevant because (did I mention) Egyptologists are not allowed access to data. Whoever is running it is driving it into the ground.

Or maybe he's only saying what they've told him will be happening??

Is the Egyptian government still run by the Military? El-Sisi was the military leader who overthrew the elected government back in 2013, right? Which is probably for the better, but still, you're looking at basically a military dictator. Dictators aren't renowned for their allowing of historical investigations in their countries.

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3 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

Or maybe he's only saying what they've told him will be happening??

Is the Egyptian government still run by the Military? El-Sisi was the military leader who overthrew the elected government back in 2013, right? Which is probably for the better, but still, you're looking at basically a military dictator. Dictators aren't renowned for their allowing of historical investigations in their countries.

It's really hard to tell.  My guess is they are allowing him to stay in nominal control because they believe he is a powerful figure and good for tourism. He probably just has to stay in contact with his superiors more closely than before but everyone has always had a boss.  Even pharaohs couldn't tick off their senior advisors without risking the next heb sed going poorly for him. He still appears to be making every call but now it's probably more appearances than reality.

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17 hours ago, Hanslune said:

No he isn't. The fringe thinks he is as he is a publicity hound and sometimes says strange things.

He also says things that occasionally get him in trouble, like shooting down anything suggesting islamist interpretations of Egyptian history and calling for the abolition of loudspeakers for the call to prayer.

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1 hour ago, DieChecker said:

Or maybe he's only saying what they've told him will be happening??

Is the Egyptian government still run by the Military? El-Sisi was the military leader who overthrew the elected government back in 2013, right? Which is probably for the better, but still, you're looking at basically a military dictator. Dictators aren't renowned for their allowing of historical investigations in their countries.

El-Sisi came to power after general elections gave power to the Muslim Brotherhood. As the name suggests, I doubt the Brotherhood would have been big fans of historical places, figures or history. One only has to look at what the Taliban and Islamic State to see that a secular military government (coup) is a mother’s kindness compared with the alternative