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God Unpacked: Divine Revelation or Something Created by Humans


Sherapy

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1 minute ago, Guyver said:

It takes a long time to untangle tight knots.

Alexander's solution can make short shrift of any knot.

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Just now, Hammerclaw said:

Alexander's solution can make short shrift of any knot.

What is his solution, burn it?

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To have Faith, in the religious sense, is to grant validity to that which is uncertain. Of course, younger and simpler minds are susceptible to indoctrination. For a person gifted with a fully cognizant thinking mind, it's a matter of choice. 

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5 minutes ago, Guyver said:

What is his solution, burn it?

He cut the Gordian knot in half rather than try to untie it. Prophesy was that he who could untie it would rule.

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4 minutes ago, Guyver said:

What is his solution, burn it?

His solution to untying the Gordian Knot was draw his sword and slice through the BS.

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Great topic Sheri!

I'll start with this:

If divine revelation is something that really occurs, in other words, is as real as the ability a person has to imagine things, then it's on us, seemingly without help, to determine which is which.

If a genuine divine revelation is actually an imagination, then, if not identified for what it really is, it will lead to a certain set of problems.

If an imagination is actually a genuine divine revelation, then, if you tell people about it here at UM..........:P

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

Great topic Sheri!

I'll start with this:

If divine revelation is something that really occurs, in other words, is as real as the ability a person has to imagine things, then it's on us, seemingly without help, to determine which is which.

If a genuine divine revelation is actually an imagination, then, if not identified for what it really is, it will lead to a certain set of problems.

If an imagination is actually a genuine divine revelation, then, if you tell people about it here at UM..........:P

 

 

There is also the possibility of being taken in by another person's bogus divine revelation and then making a fool out of oneself blathering about it, constantly, in public.

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3 minutes ago, Guyver said:

Alexander cheated.

He didn't believe in a no-win scenario and was later played by William Shatner in a TV movie.

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7 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

Great topic Sheri!

I'll start with this:

If divine revelation is something that really occurs, in other words, is as real as the ability a person has to imagine things, then it's on us, seemingly without help, to determine which is which.

If a genuine divine revelation is actually an imagination, then, if not identified for what it really is, it will lead to a certain set of problems.

If an imagination is actually a genuine divine revelation, then, if you tell people about it here at UM..........:P

 

 

Thanks, Will. 
 


These are really interesting points. 
To explore this deeper, my question to you is how does one go about distinguishing divine revelation (DR) from imagination? 
 

Can you expand on the problems of DR is actually our imagination? 

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26 minutes ago, Guyver said:

It takes a long time to untangle tight knots.

It is a lot of work. 👊🏼

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1 minute ago, Sherapy said:

Thanks, Will. 
 


These are really interesting points. 
To explore this deeper, my question to you is how does one go about distinguishing divine revelation (DR) from imagination? 
 

Can you expand on the problems of DR is actually our imagination? 

Yes, also how does one go about verifying someone else's divine revelation as being genuine?  Imagination?

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I dunno,  WE/people have lived with our gods for most of our existence. . to me, the “Christian god” is as a newborn babe in a manger.  My only Revelation is what is see with my eyes, hear with my ears, & feel in my Heart.   (& in rare instances , reason or learn with my brain).  I see One Creation..  (insert favorite deity or force here).   .the space in my atoms Being exactly the same as the space outside of my atoms.    I know Energy is sort of a dirty word?  But to me everything appears to be interacting fields of energy.  Why?   Who knows?    Well, best I could do..that’s my .999 cents worth.    Ya get what ya pay for!  :P

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14 minutes ago, Guyver said:

Alexander cheated.

Tell him that.

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Was it divine revelation when man learned to make fire?  Was it nature, or just plain luck?  
 

 

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8 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Yes, also how does one go about verifying someone else's divine revelation as being genuine?  Imagination?

Exactly, good point. 

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1 minute ago, XenoFish said:

Page one and the thread already has side quest.

Side quest?

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Just now, Sherapy said:

Side quest?

The Quest for Fire.

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3 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

Thanks, Will. 
 


These are really interesting points. 
To explore this deeper, my question to you is how does one go about distinguishing divine revelation (DR) from imagination? 
 

Can you expand on the problems of DR is actually our imagination? 

 

Well this is why I think this is such a great topic Sheri, because in my opinion, based on my experience with having made it my life's priority to learn to distinguish between the two better and better every day, at this point, I'm not really sure where it all is with me. So I'm really interested in reading what others have to say about their own experiences.

I will say at least this though, I'm convinced that gaining a way to be able to distinguish between divine revelation and imagination is one of the main purposes of our temporary human existence. Accuracy being the goal.

I am presuming that your reference to divine revelation is personal divine revelation and not someone else's personal revelations. Am I mistaken?

 

 

 

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Why do only religious people have miracles, divine intervention, and religious experiences? 

My take is that it's just a side effect of cultivating their beliefs. Self induced madness.

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