docyabut2 Posted December 5, 2023 #1 Share Posted December 5, 2023 https://www.foxnews.com/politics/stefanik-grills-harvard-president-students-calling-intifada-rampant-antisemitism-campus 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted December 6, 2023 #2 Share Posted December 6, 2023 (edited) These so-called Ivy League institutions have become so far Left that there is nearly no difference between their rhetoric and that of neo-Marxists. Thankfully, their over-the-top Jew-hatred is beginning to cut deeply into their funding and it's about time. Edited December 6, 2023 by and-then 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted December 7, 2023 Author #3 Share Posted December 7, 2023 The Presidents of the colleges has to stop the harassment and the bulling from the Palestinians on the Jewish students on the inside and on the grounds of the colleges. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldorado Posted December 7, 2023 #4 Share Posted December 7, 2023 The presidents of Harvard, MIT and the University of Pennsylvania faced intense scrutiny on Wednesday from business leaders, donors and politicians following their testimony at a House hearing on antisemitism on campus and calls for genocide in Israel. The criticism focused on the university leaders’ answers to questions on Tuesday about whether calling for the genocide of Jews violates their respective school’s code of conduct on bullying or harassment. None of the school leaders explicitly said that calling for the genocide of Jews would necessarily violate their code of conduct. Instead, they explained it would depend on the circumstances and conduct. Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla said in a post on X he was “ashamed” to hear the testimony, calling it “one of the most despicable moments in the history of US academia.” CNN report 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor Witness Posted December 7, 2023 #5 Share Posted December 7, 2023 (edited) I doubt many students know the meaning of the word “intifada,” unless they look it up. We could overreact here, as Israel arguably has. The threat to all of U.S., is real, given Israel’s nuclear weapons, but an “intifada,” here, is really meaningless. The right thing, is to listen to our collective conscience, of which these students are a part. We are all endangered by overreacting to a set-up, which Hamas has instigated, not the children of Gaza. Killing thousands of children is overreacting…. far more than the tough talk of these students. Edited December 7, 2023 by Raptor Witness 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted December 7, 2023 #6 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Hope is not yet lost. The young people coming up in the next 7 to 15 years are not the brainwashed radicals of today. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug1066 Posted December 7, 2023 #7 Share Posted December 7, 2023 (edited) What should concern us all is not whether a discussion is antisemitic or anti-palestinian, but on keeping that discussion civil. Re: genocide. What did the Israelites do to the Amalakites? What did we (USA) do to native Americans? Clue: at the Nuremberg trials, 70 years after the slaughters at Washita National "Battlefield" and Sand Creek, we hung Nazis for doing what our own cavalry did. . Doug Edited December 7, 2023 by Doug1066 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted December 7, 2023 #8 Share Posted December 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Raptor Witness said: I doubt many students know the meaning of the word “intifada,” unless they look it up. And.... That makes it OK. If ignorant students went out and were holding signs to "lynch darkie", but had no idea what it meant... Then we excuse it? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted December 7, 2023 #9 Share Posted December 7, 2023 55 minutes ago, Doug1066 said: What should concern us all is not whether a discussion is antisemitic or anti-palestinian, but on keeping that discussion civil. True. I'm not against people supporting Palestinians, and Gaza, but when they use terms that are clearly directed at killing Jews, then that's not support anymore, it's hate toward Jews. Quote Re: genocide. What did the Israelites do to the Amalakites? Oh, so now the Bible's a historical document? 😇 Oh, and that was like, what, 5000 years ago... Quote What did we (USA) do to native Americans? Clue: at the Nuremberg trials, 70 years after the slaughters at Washita National "Battlefield" and Sand Creek, we hung Nazis for doing what our own cavalry did. . Doug True. So, then if the Native Americans declare war on the US, should we be OK with whatever they do, including killing people? Of course not. Let's not make excuses for what shouldn't be excused. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted December 7, 2023 #10 Share Posted December 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, DieChecker said: And.... That makes it OK. If ignorant students went out and were holding signs to "lynch darkie", but had no idea what it meant... Then we excuse it? People would be up in arms if these same things were being said about any other "protected" class. The ignorant are reading their favorite lefty web sites telling them what to think, if they can still think at all. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted December 7, 2023 #11 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Harvard President Gay has screwed this up even worse. https://www.foxnews.com/media/harvard-presidents-attempt-cleanup-antisemitism-statement-flops-social-media-late-now Quote During her congressional testimony, Gay was repeatedly asked if calling for the genocide of Jews was against Harvard policy. She didn't give a clear answer. "We embrace a commitment to free expression, even [if they] are objectionable, offensive, hateful," Gay said at the hearing. "It's when that speech crosses into conduct that violates our policies against bullying." Don't you hate it when there's a yes/no answer and those asked can't say. Because they know the answer is "No", but they want to say "Yes". She never said it was against the policy. Yet the next day she says... Quote "There are some who have confused a right to free expression with the idea that Harvard will condone calls for violence against Jewish students. Let me be clear: Calls for violence or genocide against the Jewish community, or any religious or ethnic group are vile, they have no place at Harvard, and those who threaten our Jewish students will be held to account," Gay said in a statement posted to Harvard's X account. Which she wouldn't say to the Congress... 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzz_Light_Year Posted December 7, 2023 #12 Share Posted December 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Doug1066 said: Re: genocide. What did the Israelites do to the Amalakites? The Amalekites and Canaanites and other surrounding groups practiced child sacrifice. So what would you have done? Give them a lecture on the error of their ways? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edumakated Posted December 7, 2023 #13 Share Posted December 7, 2023 22 minutes ago, Michelle said: People would be up in arms if these same things were being said about any other "protected" class. The ignorant are reading their favorite lefty web sites telling them what to think, if they can still think at all. Remember, these are the same people who protest conservatives and claim speech is violence anytime Ben Sharpiro or some other conservative pundit speaks on campus. They have no problem censoring or preventing free speech if it doesn't fit their progressive narrative. On the other hand, they are perfectly ok with truly offensive speech calling for genocide or violence as long as it fits their narrative. The difference in the progressive mind is that they don't view ideology they disagree with as being worthy of debate / discussion. In a way, they dehumanize their opponents which is why they don't have a problem with violence against the right and why they are ok with censorship. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Socks Junior Posted December 7, 2023 #14 Share Posted December 7, 2023 9 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said: The Amalekites and Canaanites and other surrounding groups practiced child sacrifice. So what would you have done? Give them a lecture on the error of their ways? I might have done so, if I was there, but the ancient Israelites were practicing child sacrifice themselves. So they weren't the moral high ground. The More You Know. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted December 7, 2023 #15 Share Posted December 7, 2023 19 minutes ago, Doc Socks Junior said: but the ancient Israelites were practicing child sacrifice themselves. Do you mean when Abraham didn't sacrifice his son? That was a long time before Israel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Socks Junior Posted December 7, 2023 #16 Share Posted December 7, 2023 1 minute ago, OverSword said: Do you mean when Abraham didn't sacrifice his son? That was a long time before Israel. Nah, I don't mean that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted December 7, 2023 #17 Share Posted December 7, 2023 OMG! How many thousands of years can people hold a grudge? I had no idea some of you guys were Christians. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug1066 Posted December 7, 2023 #18 Share Posted December 7, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, DieChecker said: Oh, so now the Bible's a historical document? 😇 Oh, and that was like, what, 5000 years ago... More like 3300 years ago. The story is a bit exaggerated. The Amalakites probably lived at Perrin Oasis, the largest one in Sinai. The ruins there could accommodate perhaps 250 people. So maybe 25 to 50 were warriors. There were no 2 million Jews in Sinai - the entire peninsula could support maybe 4500 people. The initial war in Sinai did not exterminate the Amalakites; they show up again, later on. But there are Bible passages saying they were exterminated. Is the Bible a historical document? Sort of. But there are so many mistakes and ambiguities that its use is limited. Regard it more as an artifact of the times, sort of like an old pot. 2 hours ago, DieChecker said: So, then if the Native Americans declare war on the US, should we be OK with whatever they do, including killing people? I was somewhat surprised to find that there were only 40 years between Wounded Knee and Hitler's rise to power. Technically, the tribes are sovereign nations with the independent power to wage war. Of course, if they ever tried it, they would immediately be crushed and they know it. They're not fools. Besides which, with the new tribal corporations and a monopoly on casinos in most states, they have it pretty good and things are getting better. 1 hour ago, Doc Socks Junior said: I might have done so, if I was there, but the ancient Israelites were practicing child sacrifice themselves. So they weren't the moral high ground. The More You Know. The members of the Exodus worshipped Baal Hadad and Baal sephon (There's a biblical reference to this.). I don't know if Baal Hadad required child sacrifice, but Baal Sephon did not. Baal Moloch did. A bunch of Israelite men "worshipped" at the shrine of Baal Peor where they contracted gonorrhea from the priestesses (Balaam of talking donkey fame was a priest there.). The fictional story of Isaac and Jacob is the Bible's way of saying that the Jews rejected child sacrifice. Note that that was after the time of the judges, so there was about a century and a half where they might have practiced child sacrifice. The story of the OT is essentially about the triumph of Jehovah over the various forms of Baal. 1 hour ago, Michelle said: OMG! How many thousands of years can people hold a grudge? I had no idea some of you guys were Christians. Many thousands of years. Gaza was the result of Ramses III settling the defeated Pelest (Palestinians) there. "Moses" could not take the coast road to Jerusalem because it was blocked by the Philistines (Palestinians). Instead, he took the Darb es Shur and wound up in Sinai. Palestinians and Jews have been fighting over Palestine off-and-on ever since. Studying the Bible is what cured me of Christianity. Doug Edited December 7, 2023 by Doug1066 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted December 7, 2023 Author #19 Share Posted December 7, 2023 When the Palestinians chat from the river to the sea to the Jewish students means to wipe Israel off the map, would means a bulling ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug1066 Posted December 7, 2023 #20 Share Posted December 7, 2023 25 minutes ago, docyabut2 said: When the Palestinians chat from the river to the sea to the Jewish students means to wipe Israel off the map, would means a bulling ? Before 1948 Palestine stretched from the Jordan to the Mediterranean. The Palestinians want their land back - sort of like Mexicans want their land back (I'm all for giving them Texas.). Israel would get along with the Palestinians much better if it didn't allow squatters on the West Bank to evict Palestinians from their homes. If somebody did that to me, I'd start learning how to make bombs, too. Doug 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DayoOlabisi Posted December 7, 2023 #21 Share Posted December 7, 2023 i'm all for universities fostering and defended their environments/cultures of free speech. however, they aren't really defending free speech. they don't even believe in it at all. they are defending specific speech, which makes it worse. because it means they like that speech. and they will resume their environments of intolerance as soon as the topic at hand changes. it makes it difficult for people like me to honestly defend them even when i agree, because i know i am playing an unfair game against dishonest adversaries. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug1066 Posted December 7, 2023 #22 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Many of the people who claim universities don't allow free speech are from off-campus and only come around to foment trouble. These people need to be arrested and charged with trespass - criminal trespass if they're involved in violence. Doug 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edumakated Posted December 7, 2023 #23 Share Posted December 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, Doug1066 said: Many of the people who claim universities don't allow free speech are from off-campus and only come around to foment trouble. These people need to be arrested and charged with trespass - criminal trespass if they're involved in violence. Doug So a conservative FEDERAL JUDGE was shut down from speaking by students and administrators at Stanford Law nonetheless because they foment trouble? Most of the conservative speakers are INVITED to speak by conservative student groups. Youtube is full of these speeches being interrupted by wacky student activists. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted December 7, 2023 #24 Share Posted December 7, 2023 25 minutes ago, Doug1066 said: Before 1948 Palestine stretched from the Jordan to the Mediterranean. The Palestinians want their land back - sort of like Mexicans want their land back (I'm all for giving them Texas.). Israel would get along with the Palestinians much better if it didn't allow squatters on the West Bank to evict Palestinians from their homes. If somebody did that to me, I'd start learning how to make bombs, too. Doug First step would be (re-?)conquering Jordan, evicting those of Saudi Arab ancestry and giving THAT back to the Palestinians. British Mandate Palestine was split in half, and half given to an outlaw Arab Bedouin tribe that favored the British at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DayoOlabisi Posted December 7, 2023 #25 Share Posted December 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, Doug1066 said: Many of the people who claim universities don't allow free speech are from off-campus and only come around to foment trouble. These people need to be arrested and charged with trespass - criminal trespass if they're involved in violence. Doug presumably this should apply to anyone coming from off-campus to foment trouble. should it also apply to students who want to foment trouble, issue aside? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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