WVK Posted December 8, 2023 #1 Share Posted December 8, 2023 0:00 A new documentary about George Floyd’s death raises new questions 5:42 John: “We’ve been lied to” about George Floyd’s death 14:27 The price of a “poetic truth” 20:09 Was the Derek Chauvin jury intimidated into delivering a guilty verdict? 23:26 Glenn: George Floyd was no hero 29:03 The burning of Minneapolis’s 3rd Precinct 34:54 Is there any hope of changing the George Floyd narrative? 41:48 Who will take responsibility for changing things in black America? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ffv4IUxkDU 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted December 8, 2023 #2 Share Posted December 8, 2023 George gets killed. Riot. Riot. Riot. Things are the exact same... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug1066 Posted December 8, 2023 #3 Share Posted December 8, 2023 Youtube is your source? Doug 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edumakated Posted December 8, 2023 #4 Share Posted December 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, Doug1066 said: Youtube is your source? Doug There was a documentary produced by a journalist called the fall of Minneapolis (or something like that). It outlines the issues in the case, riots, etc... Anyone who spent any time looking at the case from a distance knows Floyd died of a overdose. Chauvin was made a scapegoat. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Link of Hyrule Posted December 8, 2023 #5 Share Posted December 8, 2023 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Doug1066 said: Youtube is your source? Doug YouTube is a more trustworthy source than Fox News or MSMBC (not quite, it depends on the YouTube channel, but it's closer than many think - some youtube channels are 100% better than the main stream news, others not so much). Edited December 8, 2023 by Paranoid Android 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzz_Light_Year Posted December 8, 2023 #6 Share Posted December 8, 2023 17 minutes ago, Paranoid Android said: YouTube is a more trustworthy source than Fox News or MSMBC (not quite, it depends on the YouTube channel, but it's closer than many think - some youtube channels are 100% better than the main stream news, others not so much). If they can't discredit the information they'll discredit the source. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Link of Hyrule Posted December 8, 2023 #7 Share Posted December 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said: If they can't discredit the information they'll discredit the source. To cover myself, I haven't clicked on the video in the OP yet, I cannot comment on the trustworthiness of the video in this particular thread. My comment was generalised. There was a lot said in the media about the Floyd case that twisted the whole story so I wouldn't be surprised if this was legit, but there's also a lot of misinformation out there about Floyd, without watching the video I cannot say about this particular source. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug1066 Posted December 8, 2023 #8 Share Posted December 8, 2023 52 minutes ago, Edumakated said: There was a documentary produced by a journalist called the fall of Minneapolis (or something like that). It outlines the issues in the case, riots, etc... Anyone who spent any time looking at the case from a distance knows Floyd died of a overdose. Chauvin was made a scapegoat. I couldn't hold my breath for nine minutes. Could you? If it wasn't murder, it was still attempted murder. Doug 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug1066 Posted December 8, 2023 #9 Share Posted December 8, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Paranoid Android said: YouTube is a more trustworthy source than Fox News or MSMBC (not quite, it depends on the YouTube channel, but it's closer than many think - some youtube channels are 100% better than the main stream news, others not so much). 16 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said: If they can't discredit the information they'll discredit the source. I have made no attempt to determine the trustworthiness of the information. Or the source. But I would not get published if I used a source like youtube or Fox. I would need to provide an analysis of original footage. BTW: if Chauvin's lawyer was any good, he would challenge the "facts" of the case presented by the prosecutor. Did he do that? Doug Edited December 8, 2023 by Doug1066 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Link of Hyrule Posted December 8, 2023 #10 Share Posted December 8, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Doug1066 said: I have made no attempt to determine the trustworthiness of the information. Or the source. But I would not get published if I used a source like youtube or Fox. I would need to provide an analysis of original footage. I would hope you wouldn't get published (presumably in a Science Journal) if you used MSNBC or Fox News either. But I think the point is that most people aren't trying to get published in science journals. 18 minutes ago, Doug1066 said: BTW: if Chauvin's lawyer was any good, he would challenge the "facts" of the case presented by the prosecutor. Did he do that? Doug I'm not arguing his guilt or innocence. I watched several days of the Floyd trial live and what I didn't watch live I watched lawyer commentaries/summaries of what went down on a daily basis. I firmly believe that the prosecutor proved beyond reasonable doubt that Chauvin was guilty of Manslaughter. However I do not believe they proved murder beyond reasonable doubt, though the jury disagreed with that conclusion. If this documentary is halfway decent (I will try to watch it at some point today) I'm sure this is where the focus of the discussion will be. I don't think the defence was able to successfully argue that Floyd had an overdose, so if that's where the documentary heads I'll be less likely to value its conclusions (that's not to say drugs didn't play a part in his death, but I'm talking about what was proven in court to what I would describe as beyond reasonable doubt). We'll see what happens. Edit: alternatively, the video could be discussing how George Floyd's race was weaponised by media and activist groups to make more out of the situation than was really there. That would also be a decent angle for the documentary to explore. Edited December 8, 2023 by Paranoid Android 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVK Posted December 8, 2023 Author #11 Share Posted December 8, 2023 21 minutes ago, Doug1066 said: I couldn't hold my breath for nine minutes. Could you? If it wasn't murder, it was still attempted murder. Doug No it wasn’t. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted December 8, 2023 #12 Share Posted December 8, 2023 42 minutes ago, WVK said: No it wasn’t. Huh, A jury seems to have disagreed with you. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edumakated Posted December 9, 2023 #13 Share Posted December 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Gromdor said: Huh, A jury seems to have disagreed with you. Jurys make bad decisions all the time. I mean isn't an argument against the death penalty that the innocent get convicted? Floyd over dosed. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVK Posted December 9, 2023 Author #14 Share Posted December 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Gromdor said: Huh, A jury seems to have disagreed with you. The jury was wrong, the video explains it. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent0range Posted December 9, 2023 #15 Share Posted December 9, 2023 2 hours ago, WVK said: The jury was wrong, the video explains it. I didn't watch the trial. I don't watch cable news. I did watch the video of the crime. If that occurred in a combat zone, and the victim was a known terrorist, the Soldier would be in prison for life. Why would we allow Americans to be treated lesser than that? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superman73 Posted December 9, 2023 #16 Share Posted December 9, 2023 8 hours ago, Edumakated said: There was a documentary produced by a journalist called the fall of Minneapolis (or something like that). It outlines the issues in the case, riots, etc... Anyone who spent any time looking at the case from a distance knows Floyd died of a overdose. Chauvin was made a scapegoat. Are you serious? Did you not watch the same video with Chauvin's hands in his pockets with his knee on George's neck? There were 2 other policemen standing right next to him allowing this to happen! Sickening 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted December 9, 2023 #17 Share Posted December 9, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, WVK said: The jury was wrong, the video explains it. Yes, the body cam footage clearly shows methamphetamine pills(laced with fentanyl) drop out of Floyd's mouth while he's in the back of the police vehicle. He obviously put them in his mouth minutes earlier when the police approached and knocked on the window of the car he was seated in. Don't do hard drugs folks. The following photos are from the back of the police vehicle. They are chewed on methamphetamine/fentanyl pills that had Floyds DNA(saliva) on them. Edited December 9, 2023 by acidhead 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted December 9, 2023 #18 Share Posted December 9, 2023 1 hour ago, superman73 said: Are you serious? Did you not watch the same video with Chauvin's hands in his pockets with his knee on George's neck? There were 2 other policemen standing right next to him allowing this to happen! Sickening The coroner reported NO injury to his cervical vertebrae, his larynx, or his hyoid bone. He did not die as a result of compression asphyxia. He most likely died because of the central nervous system depressant he had taken (fentanyl) in conjunction with the stress of trying to avoid arrest. His trial will mark the point where the media became more important than the facts. That said, Chauvin's history proved he had no business being on a police force anywhere. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVK Posted December 9, 2023 Author #19 Share Posted December 9, 2023 13 hours ago, Gromdor said: Huh, A jury seems to have disagreed with you. Recall the OJ trial? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug1066 Posted December 9, 2023 #20 Share Posted December 9, 2023 18 hours ago, Paranoid Android said: I would hope you wouldn't get published (presumably in a Science Journal) if you used MSNBC or Fox News either. Neither are considered good enough sources, even if they published something relevant. Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug1066 Posted December 9, 2023 #21 Share Posted December 9, 2023 14 hours ago, WVK said: The jury was wrong, the video explains it. Juries find fact. Even if they're wrong, the verdict is acted on as fact. But if they're wrong - that's what appeals are for. Doug 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edumakated Posted December 9, 2023 #22 Share Posted December 9, 2023 15 hours ago, Agent0range said: I didn't watch the trial. I don't watch cable news. I did watch the video of the crime. If that occurred in a combat zone, and the victim was a known terrorist, the Soldier would be in prison for life. Why would we allow Americans to be treated lesser than that? Tell me you dont know the actual facts of the case without telling me... You basically are an example of how the media propaganda distorted the case. Most people only saw a snippet of the video, nor have any other actual facts of the case. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVK Posted December 9, 2023 Author #23 Share Posted December 9, 2023 8 minutes ago, Edumakated said: Tell me you dont know the actual facts of the case without telling me... You basically are an example of how the media propaganda distorted the case. Most people only saw a snippet of the video, nor have any other actual facts of the case. Some people can’t be reasoned with, they are like religious zealots 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Socks Junior Posted December 9, 2023 #24 Share Posted December 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, WVK said: Some people can’t be reasoned with, they are like religious zealots It's good to be self-aware! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted December 9, 2023 #25 Share Posted December 9, 2023 Did anyone watch these trials? Regardless of what evidence exists, all that matters is what is presented to the Jury. If the Prosecutor screwed that up, then, yes, Chauvin could be falsely convicted. And it would be no ones fault than the Prosecutor. But, as everyone has seen the videos of him kneeling on Floyd, and he remained so after there was clear signs of distress... He does deserve some level of punishment. He could have hopped up, and if Floyd took a swing at him, knocked him down again and kneeled on him some more. But, he didn't. Was Floyd likely in distress from the pills? I'd say yes. And, I think not reacting to his struggling fast enough is likely why he died. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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