Abramelin Posted December 9, 2023 #1 Share Posted December 9, 2023 (edited) The above picture is from Charles Berlitz' book Atlantis, "The Eight Continent", a book I own. Unfortunately he only has ONE short paragraph about it. Here it is: "An undersea wall off the Moroccan coast, extending several miles in length, first discovered more than ten years ago (that would be 1974) by a diver while he was spearfishing, has since been further investigated and photographed. Some of the stones, either a fallen part of the wall or an auxiliary building, are comparable in size to the foundation stones used in the temple of Baalbek,Lebanon - the largest building stones known to have been quarried in ancient times". https://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php?topic=3238.0 ------ MYSTERIES FROM FORGOTTEN WORLDS CHARLES BERLITZ PITTSBURGH PRESS 48 pages of photographs Enormous walls composed of blocks 8 meters long and 6 meters high, at a minimum depth of about 14 meters were found on the bottom in Moroccan waters on the Mediterranean side of Gibraltar by Marc Valentin in 1958, while free-diving in pursuit of a fish, and were eventually traced for a distance of several miles. The general construction of these walls, surrounded by smaller stones, bears a striking resemblance to prehistoric cyclopean stonework on the coasts of the Atlantic and on the Mediterranean islands that are still above water. https://archive.org/details/B-001-014-153 Page 116 of the book, or page 152 of pdf: Besides subsidence of known historical ports in the Mediterranean, much older and deeper undersea roads and buildings are now constantly being discovered by free divers, often hunting for fish or for other objects. Enormous walls composed of blocks 8 meters long and 6 meters high, at a minimum depth of about 14 meters were found on the bottom in Moroccan waters on the Mediterranean side of Gibraltar by Marc Valentin in 1958, while free-diving in pursuit of a fish, and were eventually traced for a distance of several miles. The general construction of these walls, surrounded by smaller stones, bears a striking resemblance to prehistoric cyclopean stonework on the coasts of the Atlantic and on the Mediterranean islands that are still above water. ------ Now the question: does anyone have another source for this socalled undersea wall off the Moroccan coast? Charles Berlitz is not the most reliable source... Edited December 9, 2023 by Abramelin 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted December 9, 2023 #2 Share Posted December 9, 2023 (edited) Nothing in William R. Corliss 'Ancient Man: A handbook of Puzzling Artifacts. A second book by the same author 'Strange artifacts', a source book on ancient man, volume M-2 mentions Morocco, it states on page M2-192, "stone monuments occur in Morocco...and along the whole coast of northern Africa". That's it. If such massive walls existed they would have been noted, touted and shouted about. I would suspect a case of fringe author's just quoting one another or just making stuff up. Edited December 9, 2023 by Hanslune 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Razman Posted December 9, 2023 #3 Share Posted December 9, 2023 Gotta keep the border safe in case someone wants to swim over. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanos5150 Posted December 9, 2023 #4 Share Posted December 9, 2023 Ampère Seamount In March 1974, Soviet research ship Academician Petrovsky underwent an expedition to explore the Ampere and Josephine seamounts. Underwater photographs taken during this expedition revealed a stone wall which included cut stone blocks scattered on both sides, Also what appear to be artificial steps partially covered with lava were photographed on the flat summit of the Ampere Seamount. This was the grounds for speculations that it may have been the location of the legendary Atlantis.[1][2][3] 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted December 9, 2023 Author #5 Share Posted December 9, 2023 34 minutes ago, Thanos5150 said: Ampère Seamount In March 1974, Soviet research ship Academician Petrovsky underwent an expedition to explore the Ampere and Josephine seamounts. Underwater photographs taken during this expedition revealed a stone wall which included cut stone blocks scattered on both sides, Also what appear to be artificial steps partially covered with lava were photographed on the flat summit of the Ampere Seamount. This was the grounds for speculations that it may have been the location of the legendary Atlantis.[1][2][3] Sorry, but this discovery is not "off the Moroccan coast". 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted December 9, 2023 Author #6 Share Posted December 9, 2023 43 minutes ago, Hanslune said: If such massive walls existed they would have been noted, touted and shouted about. I would suspect a case of fringe author's just quoting one another or just making stuff up. Though the book is about Atlantis, I think that ìf the find really exists, it has nothing to do with anything 'Atlantis', but about a sunken Phoenician harbour. The African plate pushes against the Eurasian plate. Coastal areas around the Med go up and down throughout known history because of these moving plates. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted December 9, 2023 #7 Share Posted December 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, Abramelin said: Sorry, but this discovery is not "off the Moroccan coast". Quote The New York Times/May 21, 1979: https://www.nytimes.com/1979/05/21/archives/soviet-scientist-says-ocean-site-may-be-atlantis-an-offer-of.html A Soviet scientist says he found ruins on Ampere Seamount. with a submersible camera on the submerged summit of the Ampere Seamount, a dormant underwater volcano about midway between Lisbon and the Madeira archipelago. The ocean floor around the seamount is more than 10,000 feet below the surface. In his office at the institute, Dr. Aksyonov said recently that he was sorry but he could not show the pictures. “They belong to Marakuyev, and he is very sick with a heart condition in hospital,” he said. “I think they'll be published in one of our scientific journals sometime soon.” Mr. Marakuyev apparently did not realize what he had until late last year, when he got around to developing film from a 1977 exploration of the seamount that he had made in the Soviet research vessel Moskovsky Universitet. “I don't know why it took him so long to get to them,” Dr. Aksyonov said. An Offer of Directions He will not say he has discovered Atlantis, but he offers free directions to anybody else who wants to. “All you would have to do is take a ship with the right equipment to the Ampere Seamount, go down 60 meters, find the stones and bring them up to see if they are man‐made or not,” he said. “It's my personal opinion that they are.” 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanos5150 Posted December 9, 2023 #8 Share Posted December 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, Abramelin said: Sorry, but this discovery is not "off the Moroccan coast". .... "Ampère Seamount is a seamount in the Atlantic Ocean, 410 km (250 mi) south-west of Portugal and 470 km (290 mi) west of Morocco." You: Here it is: "An undersea wall off the Moroccan coast, extending several miles in length, first discovered more than ten years ago (that would be 1974) by a diver while he was spearfishing, has since been further investigated and photographed. Source: In March 1974, Soviet research ship Academician Petrovsky underwent an expedition to explore the Ampere and Josephine seamounts. Underwater photographs taken during this expedition revealed a stone wall which included cut stone blocks scattered on both sides, Also what appear to be artificial steps partially covered with lava were photographed on the flat summit of the Ampere Seamount. This was the grounds for speculations that it may have been the location of the legendary Atlantis.[1][2][3] 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted December 9, 2023 #9 Share Posted December 9, 2023 Just now, Abramelin said: Though the book is about Atlantis, I think that ìf the find really exists, it has nothing to do with anything 'Atlantis', but about a sunken Phoenician harbour. The African plate pushes against the Eurasian plate. Coastal areas around the Med go up and down throughout known history because of these moving plates. I would suspect that there could be some sort of wall that or a natural set of tessellated rocks like Bimini. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted December 9, 2023 Author #10 Share Posted December 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, Hanslune said: Quote from your link: "the Ampere Seamount, a dormant underwater volcano about midway between Lisbon and the Madeira archipelago." That's not "off the Moroccan coast". 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted December 9, 2023 Author #11 Share Posted December 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, Hanslune said: I would suspect that there could be some sort of wall that or a natural set of tessellated rocks like Bimini. The picture I posted doesn't resemble anything natural. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted December 9, 2023 Author #12 Share Posted December 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, Thanos5150 said: 470 km (290 mi) west of Morocco." And again: that's not "off the coast of Morocco". It's far out into the Atlantic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanos5150 Posted December 9, 2023 #13 Share Posted December 9, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Abramelin said: Quote from your link: "the Ampere Seamount, a dormant underwater volcano about midway between Lisbon and the Madeira archipelago." That's not "off the Moroccan coast". What is your malfunction. Ampere Seamount. Berlitz's photo is noted. Edited December 9, 2023 by Thanos5150 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted December 9, 2023 Author #14 Share Posted December 9, 2023 Just now, Thanos5150 said: What is your malfunction. Ampere Seamount. This: midway between Lisbon and the Madeira archipelago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted December 9, 2023 Author #15 Share Posted December 9, 2023 Ok, maybe this is a language thing. I understood it as being near the Moroccan coast. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanos5150 Posted December 9, 2023 #16 Share Posted December 9, 2023 Just now, Abramelin said: This: midway between Lisbon and the Madeira archipelago. 3 minutes ago, Thanos5150 said: What is your malfunction. Ampere Seamount. Berlitz's photo is noted. "A somewhat indistinct copy of the image of the wall was formerly online, which seemed to have been copied from Charles Berlitz's book, The Eight Continent." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanos5150 Posted December 9, 2023 #17 Share Posted December 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, Abramelin said: Ok, maybe this is a language thing. Not my first choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted December 9, 2023 Author #18 Share Posted December 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Thanos5150 said: Not my first choice. I meant to say that English is not the language I inherited from my ancestors. I'm Dutch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted December 9, 2023 Author #19 Share Posted December 9, 2023 9 minutes ago, Thanos5150 said: "A somewhat indistinct copy of the image of the wall was formerly online, which seemed to have been copied from Charles Berlitz's book, The Eight Continent." So, someone copied the image in Berlitz's book. But now I want to see a photo of that 'wall', or another account of some diver seeing that wall, the wall as described in Berlitz's book. Just in case some of you forgot: it was a DIVER who reported that thing, if I have to believe Berlitz. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted December 9, 2023 #20 Share Posted December 9, 2023 26 minutes ago, Abramelin said: The picture I posted doesn't resemble anything natural. Yep but you can find fringe images of the Bimini road that make it look like a road or wall, depending on the artist. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted December 9, 2023 #21 Share Posted December 9, 2023 28 minutes ago, Abramelin said: Quote from your link: "the Ampere Seamount, a dormant underwater volcano about midway between Lisbon and the Madeira archipelago." That's not "off the Moroccan coast". Just adding information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted December 9, 2023 Author #22 Share Posted December 9, 2023 (edited) I always assumed it was a sunken wall of a harbour of Lixus, a city settled by the Phoenicians: But I forgot about the true location: 2 hours ago, Abramelin said: on the bottom in Moroccan waters on the Mediterranean side of Gibraltar by Marc Valentin in 1958 So, nothing to do with anything in the Atlantic. Edited December 9, 2023 by Abramelin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted December 9, 2023 Author #23 Share Posted December 9, 2023 (edited) Who is this "Marc Valentin"? Google, and you'll find out he's a spear diver, spear fisher, whatever. Someone must have asked him about what Berlitz told about him and what he supposedly found during one of his dives? Edited December 9, 2023 by Abramelin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Socks Junior Posted December 9, 2023 #24 Share Posted December 9, 2023 5 hours ago, Hanslune said: Looks like they didn't get published soon in a scientific journal, since that article is from 1979. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Socks Junior Posted December 9, 2023 #25 Share Posted December 9, 2023 And looks like they decided they weren't in favor of a man made origin quite quickly thereafter. Quote While Western oceanographers were skeptical, the reports raised some public interest last spring. But unhappily for Atlantis fanciers, Aksenov now says the press accounts were a "misunderstanding," according to the journal Nature. The photos merely show natural formations of Mount Ampere. It would appear that Aksenov, speculating only half-seriously as scientists often do, was taken too much at his word and another vision of Atlantis has faded https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1979/10/21/atlantis-gone-but-not-forgotten/79c200c3-7ae3-44a3-b9c2-73ac97fdd1ff/ 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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