Why, despite winning their vote to leave the EU, are Brexiters still so angry?

[Setton]

1 hour ago, Destination Unknown said:

So instead of the usual vague Remoaner blanket answer of: "The EU can only become what its members agree it can become" nonsense,

You mean the only correct answer that can be given.

Which, if I can penetrate the unusually prominent brow ridge, is exactly why being a member would have let us stop that happening.

[Destination Unknown]

3 hours ago, Setton said:

Wait, did remain lose because voters didn't like remainers arrogance or because they wanted to leave to "Federal European Superstate Galactic Empire" (or whatever you called it)?

Do you run these things by yourself before posting?

Remain lost for many reasons, not just the two that I stated, one of them being the sheer Remoaner arrogance towards those that have a different opinion to them about the EU and the direction it has taken, another reason being the direction the EU has taken during our membership. Happy to clear that one up.

 

3 hours ago, Setton said:

So instead of the usual vague Remoaner blanket answer of: "The EU can only become what its members agree it can become" nonsense, what will a future EU even look like then?

1. You mean the only correct answer that can be given.

2. Which, if I can penetrate the unusually prominent brow ridge, is exactly why being a member would have let us stop that happening.

1. So obviously you didn't know what you were voting for then did you. 🤔

2. The EU has already moved far too close to being a federal European Superstate even as it is at present, and all that happened whilst we were in the EU, so being a member obviously didn't stop it from happening did it.

Your argument that being a member would have let us stop it from happening is like saying it would obviously be better to be a part of the former Soviet Union rather than being an independent sovereign nation like we are right now, because at least that way we would have been able to influence it from within. 🤦

Edited December 29, 2023 by Destination Unknown

[pellinore]

6 hours ago, L.A.T.1961 said:

I have to say I am a long way from angry, leaving the single market and customs union in accordance with the vote, has given me some hope for the democratic process in the UK.

I always thought you had some intelligence LAT. But you are suggesting leaving the SM and CU gives you hope? First, it is economically illiterate, (even Rees-Mogg agrees free trade is beneficial), and secondly, we were assured that leaving the SM was off the table (even Daniel Hannan said it would be the act of madmen). Thirdly, the Brexit government we have at the moment want to destroy democracy.

The more I hear from Brexiters, the more I realise that the educational divide between Leavers and Remainers is as true as the age divide. 

I don't mean this in a nasty way, because I think you are reasonable.

Look, I had this discussion with someone today: he said it is good that British farmers can't get EU casual labour because it means British workers will be able to work for them for higher pay as they are not being undercut. I can see the logic in that.

But I said: no British workers are available or want to work for farmers. That's a fact. If he managed to entice them with wages of £30k per year, he would go out of business. Supermarkets would buy cheaper products from elsewhere in the world. 

He then said, well, since we all need cheaper food, what's wrong with that?

That's what makes me despair. Brexiters claim they are patriotic, but they are destroying the UK. It is our country, our economy, we need to support it, not sell it out for the likes of Rees-Mogg. Ress-Mogg was a millionaire when he was born, he is now a millionaire many times over. He is on record as saying that paid annual leave is not a right, and that food banks fill him with a warm charitable glow.

 

 

 

 

[Destination Unknown]

1 hour ago, pellinore said:

we were assured that leaving the SM was off the table

Stop lying pellinore.

After a question from MP Nigel Adams at the 15th June 2016 Prime Minister's Questions, David Cameron confirmed that, quote: "In means we remain in a reformed EU, Out means we come Out. As the leave campaigners and others have said, Out means Out of the EU, Out of the European Single Market, Out of the Council of Ministers, out of all those things."

This can be viewed on YouTube at approx. 36 minutes, and transcripts can also be found on the UK Parliament website. 👇👇👇👇

 

 

Cameron also clearly stated on the 12th June 2016 BBC One Andrew Marr Show that, quote: "The British public would be voting, if we Leave, would be to leave the EU and leave the Single Market."

Here you go: David Cameron, Andrea Leadsom, Michael Gove, Boris Johnson and George Osborne all saying before the vote that a vote to Leave the EU would also be a vote to Leave the Single Market. 👇👇👇👇

https://youtu.be/hIs91w7atjg

 

1 hour ago, pellinore said:

even Daniel Hannan said it would be the act of madmen

Which was said before the referendum campaign even took place, and not during the campaign period itself. Those words were also taken out of context by you undemocratic Remoaners as well.

Here's James McGrory, Co-Executive Director of Open Britain, getting his backside handed to him by Andrew Neil on the BBC Sunday Politics show. This is an eye-opener as to just exactly how much you lot will go in order to twist the actual truth to suit your own narrative. 👇👇👇👇

 

 

Plus, the Conservatives won the 2017 and the 2019 General Elections on a manifesto of honouring Brexit, which included leaving the Single Market, so don't ever lie again and try and tell us that people didn't vote to Leave the Single Market, because they did.

 

Edited December 30, 2023 by Destination Unknown

[pellinore]

21 hours ago, Destination Unknown said:

Stop lying pellinore.

After a question from MP Nigel Adams at the 15th June 2016 Prime Minister's Questions, David Cameron confirmed that, quote: "In means we remain in a reformed EU, Out means we come Out. As the leave campaigners and others have said, Out means Out of the EU, Out of the European Single Market, Out of the Council of Ministers, out of all those things."

This can be viewed on YouTube at approx. 36 minutes, and transcripts can also be found on the UK Parliament website. 👇👇👇👇

 

 

Cameron also clearly stated on the 12th June 2016 BBC One Andrew Marr Show that, quote: "The British public would be voting, if we Leave, would be to leave the EU and leave the Single Market."

Here you go: David Cameron, Andrea Leadsom, Michael Gove, Boris Johnson and George Osborne all saying before the vote that a vote to Leave the EU would also be a vote to Leave the Single Market. 👇👇👇👇

https://youtu.be/hIs91w7atjg

 

Which was said before the referendum campaign even took place, and not during the campaign period itself. Those words were also taken out of context by you undemocratic Remoaners as well.

Here's James McGrory, Co-Executive Director of Open Britain, getting his backside handed to him by Andrew Neil on the BBC Sunday Politics show. This is an eye-opener as to just exactly how much you lot will go in order to twist the actual truth to suit your own narrative. 👇👇👇👇

 

 

Plus, the Conservatives won the 2017 and the 2019 General Elections on a manifesto of honouring Brexit, which included leaving the Single Market, so don't ever lie again and try and tell us that people didn't vote to Leave the Single Market, because they did.

 

How are the 2016 promises holding up?

 

[Destination Unknown]

18 minutes ago, pellinore said:

How are the 2016 promises holding up?

How are those 2016 promises holding up from the Remain side, you know, the promises of an Emergency Budget and an immediate and prolonged recession just for merely voting to Leave the EU, all deliberately designed to BULLY us into voting Remain. 🤔

Meanwhile, in your beloved EU. December marks the seventh month of contraction for services and manufacturing in the eurozone, with the rate of decline picking up since November. Ooops. 🤦

(Maybe they should have also voted to Leave the EU and the Single Market as well eh, you know, just like 17.4 million of us in the UK did.) 😂😂😂😂 👇👇👇👇

https://www.euronews.com/business/2023/12/15/continued-contraction-in-eurozone-services-and-manufacturing-sectors

Edited December 30, 2023 by Destination Unknown

[pellinore]

21 hours ago, Destination Unknown said:

Stop lying pellinore.

After a question from MP Nigel Adams at the 15th June 2016 Prime Minister's Questions, David Cameron confirmed that, quote: "In means we remain in a reformed EU, Out means we come Out. As the leave campaigners and others have said, Out means Out of the EU, Out of the European Single Market, Out of the Council of Ministers, out of all those things."

This can be viewed on YouTube at approx. 36 minutes, and transcripts can also be found on the UK Parliament website. 👇👇👇👇

 

 

Cameron also clearly stated on the 12th June 2016 BBC One Andrew Marr Show that, quote: "The British public would be voting, if we Leave, would be to leave the EU and leave the Single Market."

Here you go: David Cameron, Andrea Leadsom, Michael Gove, Boris Johnson and George Osborne all saying before the vote that a vote to Leave the EU would also be a vote to Leave the Single Market. 👇👇👇👇

https://youtu.be/hIs91w7atjg

 

Which was said before the referendum campaign even took place, and not during the campaign period itself. Those words were also taken out of context by you undemocratic Remoaners as well.

Here's James McGrory, Co-Executive Director of Open Britain, getting his backside handed to him by Andrew Neil on the BBC Sunday Politics show. This is an eye-opener as to just exactly how much you lot will go in order to twist the actual truth to suit your own narrative. 👇👇👇👇

 

 

Plus, the Conservatives won the 2017 and the 2019 General Elections on a manifesto of honouring Brexit, which included leaving the Single Market, so don't ever lie again and try and tell us that people didn't vote to Leave the Single Market, because they did.

 

I've just watched the YT video. You do realise that time has proved Andrew Neil was wrong and James McGrory has been proved right? SMH!

[Destination Unknown]

4 minutes ago, pellinore said:

I've just watched the YT video. You do realise that time has proved Andrew Neil was wrong and James McGrory has been proved right? SMH!

Go on then, what did dishonest James McGrory get "right" by deliberately cutting off what was actually said midway through in order to make it look like something else was "meant" by the person saying it? 🤔

Meanwhile, in your beloved EU. December marks the seventh month of contraction for services and manufacturing in the eurozone, with the rate of decline picking up since November. Ooops. 🤦

(Maybe they should have also voted to Leave the EU and the Single Market as well eh, you know, just like 17.4 million of us in the UK did.) 😂😂😂😂 👇👇👇👇

But you just carry on if you want pellinore, there's still more of a hole for you to dig.

https://www.euronews.com/business/2023/12/15/continued-contraction-in-eurozone-services-and-manufacturing-sectors

 

Edited December 30, 2023 by Destination Unknown

[pellinore]

12 minutes ago, Destination Unknown said:

Go on then, what did dishonest James McGrory get "right" by deliberately cutting off what was actually said midway through in order to make it look like something else was "meant" by the person saying it? 🤔

Meanwhile, in your beloved EU. December marks the seventh month of contraction for services and manufacturing in the eurozone, with the rate of decline picking up since November. Ooops. 🤦

(Maybe they should have also voted to Leave the EU and the Single Market as well eh, you know, just like 17.4 million of us in the UK did.) 😂😂😂😂 👇👇👇👇

But you just carry on if you want pellinore, there's still more of a hole for you to dig.

https://www.euronews.com/business/2023/12/15/continued-contraction-in-eurozone-services-and-manufacturing-sectors

 

As I support the UK and democracy, I support what the majority of the public want. Maybe that is because I am patriotic and want what is best for the UK. I do understand some people want to return to the 1950s, and return to pints of wine etc, but life goes on:

A clear majority of the British public now believes Brexit has been bad for the UK economy, has driven up prices in shops, and has hampered government attempts to control immigration, according to a poll by Opinium to mark the third anniversary of the UK leaving the EU single market and customs union.

Just one in 10 believe leaving the EU has helped their personal financial situation, against 35% who say it has been bad for their finances, while just 9% say it has been good for the NHS, against 47% who say it has had a negative effect.

Ominously for prime minister Rishi Sunak, who backed Brexit and claimed it would be economically beneficial, only 7% of people think it has helped keep down prices in UK shops, against 63% who think Brexit has been a factor in fuelling inflation and the cost of living crisis.

The poll suggests that seven and a half years on from the referendum the British public now regards Brexit as a failure. Just 22% of voters believe it has been good for the UK in general.

Brexit has completely failed for UK, say clear majority of Britons – poll | Brexit | The Guardian

Edited December 30, 2023 by pellinore

[Destination Unknown]

21 minutes ago, pellinore said:

The poll suggests that seven and a half years on from the referendum the British public now regards Brexit as a failure. Just 22% of voters believe it has been good for the UK in general.

Brexit has completely failed for UK, say clear majority of Britons – poll | Brexit | The Guardian

A poll of only 2,132 people in the blatant UK-bashing anti-Brexit pro-EU Guardian. I'll take the impartiality of that one with a grain of salt the size of the Dead Sea then. 🤦

Brexit hasn't even been given the chance to fail. It's literally been 3 years since we left the transition period, during the toughest global economic climate in 100yrs, so there is no way you can extrapolate any long-term meaningful data on how well (or not) Brexit is going in that short a timespan, but according to a poll of just over 2,000 people in the blatant UK-bashing anti-Brexit pro-EU Guardian.... Brexit has failed.

Meanwhile, in your beloved EU, December marks the seventh month of contraction for services and manufacturing in the eurozone, with the rate of decline picking up since November. Ooops. 🤦

(Maybe they should have also voted to Leave the EU and the Single Market as well eh, you know, just like 17.4 million of us in the UK did.) 😂😂😂😂

If Brexit has failed, what does that make your beloved EU then, because by your logic the EU must be an absolute basketcase. But you just carry on if you want pellinore, there's still more of a hole for you to dig. 👇👇👇👇

https://www.euronews.com/business/2023/12/15/continued-contraction-in-eurozone-services-and-manufacturing-sectors

Edited December 31, 2023 by Destination Unknown

[pellinore]

29 minutes ago, Destination Unknown said:

A poll of only 2,132 people in the blatant UK-bashing anti-Brexit pro-EU Guardian. I'll take the impartiality of that one with a grain of salt the size of the Dead Sea then. 🤦

Do you know how a poll works? It is not the opinion of the people who report it. It is a representational sample of the population. Okay, a challenge: quote a poll that shows that the public thinks Brexit was a good idea.

[Destination Unknown]

17 minutes ago, pellinore said:

Do you know how a poll works? It is not the opinion of the people who report it. It is a representational sample of the population.

Well clearly you have no idea how polls work pellinore.

Care to remind us all how accurate polls were in the run up to the 2016 EU referendum? 🤔

Ahhh yes, that's right, polls consistently showed a win for Remain didn’t they pellinore, and guess what, they were WRONG.

You endorsing the validity of these polls is the same as you endorsing the validity of your daily horoscope that's published in the same newspaper. 🤦

Again, Brexit hasn't even been given the chance to fail. It's literally been 3 years since we left the transition period, during the toughest global economic climate in 100yrs, so there is no way you can extrapolate any long-term meaningful data on how well (or not) Brexit is going in that short a timespan.

Meanwhile, in your beloved EU, December marks the seventh month of contraction for services and manufacturing in the eurozone, with the rate of decline picking up since November. Ooops. 🤦

(Maybe they should have also voted to Leave the EU and the Single Market as well eh, you know, just like 17.4 million of us in the UK did.) 😂😂😂😂

If Brexit has failed, what does that make your beloved EU then, because by your logic the EU must be an absolute basketcase.

But you just carry on if you want pellinore, there's still more of a hole for you to dig. 👇👇👇👇

https://www.euronews.com/business/2023/12/15/continued-contraction-in-eurozone-services-and-manufacturing-sectors

Edited December 31, 2023 by Destination Unknown

[Slugnutty]

On 12/29/2023 at 2:38 PM, Destination Unknown said:

Such as?

The various Remain campaigns promised all sorts of negatives of Brexit, which Remoaners parotted, that have not come to pass either (therefore, wrong), such as Osborne's Emergency Budget and the immediate and prolonged recession that was supposed to happen just for merely voting to Leave the EU.

But when confronted with this fact, the average Remoaner, such as yourself, refuses to admit these promises were made and pretends people only wanted the headline of remaining in the EU.

Get it yet? 👇👇👇👇

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36355564

Hang on. Leavers didn’t get what they wanted, and Remainers didn’t get what they didn’t want?

who won again?

 

 

[Duke Wellington]

10 minutes ago, Slugnutty said:

Hang on. Leavers didn’t get what they wanted, and Remainers didn’t get what they didn’t want?

who won again?

 

 

We aren`t the ones who love in Franco-Prussians lol.

[Ozymandias]

On 12/29/2023 at 5:42 PM, Destination Unknown said:

You still don't get it do you Ozy?

It's your insistence that you arrogantly "think" you know what's better for us, because you arrogantly "think" we're all "stupid" just because we happen to have a different opinion to you about the EU and the direction it has taken.

Alright, let's do it your way then. Considering you rabid europhiles obviously arrogantly "think" that you are far more intelligent than us Leave voters, (which, by the way, is why Remain lost the vote in the first place, your own sheer arrogance that you obviously "think" that you're better than the rest of us) why, after over 7 years of us asking our obviously far more intellectual superiors like you where the future of the EU is heading, not one of you has ever been able to tell us? 🤔

So go on, when I look at the EU in another, 20, 30, 40 or even 50 years time, what sort of EU will I actually be looking at then, because one thing is definitely certain, it won't look anything like the EU of today, just like the EU of today is totally unrecognisable to the EEC the UK joined in 1973.

So instead of the usual vague Remoaner blanket answer of: "The EU can only become what its members agree it can become" nonsense, what will a future EU even look like then, because this so-called "unintelligent thicky Leave voter with a lower cognitive ability" has said all along that the EU is heading for a federalist European Superstate where we would ultimately be answerable to a Politburo based in Brussels, and it seems that former Italian Prime Minister and former President of the European Central Bank (Super) Mario Draghi actually agrees with me, so is he also an "unintelligent thicky with a lower cognitive ability as well then"?

If we were members of a loose version of the Soviet Union before it even became the Soviet Union, and we voted to Leave it before it did actually become the Soviet Union, would that have been such a bad thing? 🤔👇👇👇👇

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/12/01/mario-draghi-european-union-single-megastate-italy/

This is the same reply you gave in message #10 on the Hard Cheese thread. You are repeating yourself.

But the answer is!!!!! Nobody knows where the EU will be in 10 years, never mind 20, 30, 40, or even 50!! Maybe it will all be a nuclear desert. But I bet you have a special crystal ball with enough vision and imagination to paint the picture for us for yourself. 

[Destination Unknown]

1 hour ago, Ozymandias said:

This is the same reply you gave in message #10 on the Hard Cheese thread. You are repeating yourself.

But the answer is!!!!! Nobody knows where the EU will be in 10 years, never mind 20, 30, 40, or even 50!! Maybe it will all be a nuclear desert. But I bet you have a special crystal ball with enough vision and imagination to paint the picture for us for yourself. 

Yes, and I'm repeating myself because you never replied to it. 🤦

On Wednesday 22nd November 2023, the EU's fake parliament voted in favour of opening up the EU's Treaties in order to enable a number of reforms. This includes proposals for 267 changes to both 'The Maastricht Treaty' and 'The Lisbon Treaty'.

The main proposed changes include the abolition of the principle of unanimity in a total of 65 areas of law, as well as transferring competencies from the member states to the European Union.

These include the transfer of inclusive competency on the matters of environmental protection and biodiversity. In addition, the shared competencies would be expanded to seven new areas, those being foreign and security policy, border protection, public health, civil defence, industry, and education (that would be the EU's version of "education", aka "re-education" or, "indoctrination"), meaning that law pertaining to those matters would be entirely set at the European Union level.

Other stipulations include the mandatory adoption of the Euro for all member states, the abolition of veto's, and the launch of a joint EU Armed Forces. 🤔

Elsewhere, the unelected European Commission would be reduced from its current size of 27 Commissioners down to 15, meaning that not every member state would have its own Commissioner. At the same time, the competencies of the unelected Commission would be expanded.

Strange that this apparently "unintelligent thicky with a lower cognitive ability" could see this was the direction the EU is heading, but yet all you so-called "more intelligent" people still can't. 🤔

Understand what the EU was like when it started, what it is like now, and you'll surely know what it will be like in the future. You don't need to have a crystal ball in order to do that. 🤦👇👇👇👇👇

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20231117IPR12217/future-of-the-eu-parliament-s-proposals-to-amend-the-treaties

Edited December 31, 2023 by Destination Unknown

[itsnotoutthere]

Shouldn't the title really be,  "Remainers still angry 7 years after losing the Democratic vote" 

Or  "Remainers still crying in their beer years later, experts attribute it to self guilt & arrogance of believing outcome a foregone conclusion"

or something like that.

 

Edited January 1, 2024 by itsnotoutthere

[Duke Wellington]

22 hours ago, Ozymandias said:

This is the same reply you gave in message #10 on the Hard Cheese thread. You are repeating yourself.

But the answer is!!!!! Nobody knows where the EU will be in 10 years, never mind 20, 30, 40, or even 50!! Maybe it will all be a nuclear desert. But I bet you have a special crystal ball with enough vision and imagination to paint the picture for us for yourself. 

Now come on, we all know where it will be in 50 years.

Confined to the history books.

[pellinore]

On 1/1/2024 at 10:05 AM, itsnotoutthere said:

Shouldn't the title really be,  "Remainers still angry 7 years after losing the Democratic vote" 

Or  "Remainers still crying in their beer years later, experts attribute it to self guilt & arrogance of believing outcome a foregone conclusion"

or something like that.

 

On 1/1/2024 at 2:17 PM, Electric Scooter said:

Now come on, we all know where it will be in 50 years.

Confined to the history books.

It was supposed to be instant freedom from "unelected bureaucrats" etc, (ignoring the fact that the U.K. public had been taking part in EU elections for decades). John Redwood said it can be "Quick and easy". Michael Gove referred to the "day after we leave we can choose the path we want" as if the U.K. was leaving school. In other words, it was mis-sold. The complacency was staggering.

We now all know that Brexit was a truly terrible idea, and no amount of wishful thinking will make it work. It is the Leavers who are angry because it has made everything so much worse, @itsnotoutthere.Those great politicians the genius British public in their wisdom elected to fulfil their wild dreams for Brexit showed us that it couldn't be done. We are four PMs into this fiasco, and we are doing worse, not better. How many more will be needed?

There will have to come a time when reality has to be faced. I don't know when that will be or how far the U.K. will have to slide, but gravity wins in the end. It won't be the EU that is confined to the history books, @Electric Scooter

Eventually the U.K. will have to admit that Brexit was a dreadful mistake, and not because it was badly executed by our civil servants; or that our politicians are secret "remainers"; or that it happened on a Wednesday or whatever. It was a stupid idea, conceived by angry, petty-minded bigots and sold using lies and wild promises to a credulous public.

[Destination Unknown]

29 minutes ago, pellinore said:

It was a stupid idea, conceived by angry, petty-minded bigots and sold using lies and wild promises to a credulous public.

How arrogant. Why was it "a stupid idea" to want to get out of a wannabe federal European Superstate where we would ultimately be answerable to a Politburo based in Brussels, and why does that automatically make me a bigot? 👇👇👇👇

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/12/01/mario-draghi-european-union-single-megastate-italy/

 

I have never disputed that we were told outright lies in the run up to the referendum (name me one voting campaign that wasn't run on lies) - what I do dispute is the notion that it was only one side that did so. I'm still waiting for Osborne's "Emergency Budget" for example, (lies), or the immediate and prolonged recession that was supposed to happen just for merely voting to Leave the EU, (lies). How about Cameron's utterly ludicrous claim that ISIS would be cheering for Brexit for some unknown reason, (lies), or Cameron telling us all a mere week before the vote that no matter what he would be staying on as Prime Minister whatever the result of the referendum - all blatant lies from the Remain campaign. So did you believe all those blatant lies?

Given that both sides lied, it was up to the voters to decide whose porkies they least preferred, because in the end lies were told by both sides, not just the Leave side. Have you ever even considered that maybe if Remain hadn't blatantly lied through their teeth, even more would have voted to Leave the EU? 🤔

The point is that after a long campaign, where both sides got to make their case regarding membership of the EU, and refute the claims of the other side, there was a clear winner under the rules that both sides agreed to at the time. Essentially, with your sides great intellect and future seeing ability, your side abjectly failed to make a convincing case for the UK to stay part of the EU, and you can blame Cameron and Osborne for that. They spent all their time telling us how bad it would be if we leave the EU, they never spelt out what the future would be like if the UK had stayed in. They obviously had nothing positive to say about the EU, hence Project Fear. If the EU was such a good idea, they'd be trying to sell it to us, they wouldn't be bullying and threatening anyone who doesn't like it.

If you were trying to sell your car or your house, wouldn't you be highlighting the positive aspects of it to the potential buyer, instead of threatening them with how bad things would get for them if they didn't buy it? Equally, would you be stupid enough to buy off someone if they were threatening all the ills of the world would befall you if you didn't buy what they were selling? Of course not - So it's all your sides fault.!! 👇👇👇👇

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36355564

 

 

Edited January 7, 2024 by Destination Unknown

[Duke Wellington]

1 hour ago, pellinore said:

It was supposed to be instant freedom from "unelected bureaucrats" etc, (ignoring the fact that the U.K. public had been taking part in EU elections for decades). John Redwood said it can be "Quick and easy". Michael Gove referred to the "day after we leave we can choose the path we want" as if the U.K. was leaving school. In other words, it was mis-sold. The complacency was staggering.

We now all know that Brexit was a truly terrible idea, and no amount of wishful thinking will make it work. It is the Leavers who are angry because it has made everything so much worse, @itsnotoutthere.Those great politicians the genius British public in their wisdom elected to fulfil their wild dreams for Brexit showed us that it couldn't be done. We are four PMs into this fiasco, and we are doing worse, not better. How many more will be needed?

There will have to come a time when reality has to be faced. I don't know when that will be or how far the U.K. will have to slide, but gravity wins in the end. It won't be the EU that is confined to the history books, @Electric Scooter

Eventually the U.K. will have to admit that Brexit was a dreadful mistake, and not because it was badly executed by our civil servants; or that our politicians are secret "remainers"; or that it happened on a Wednesday or whatever. It was a stupid idea, conceived by angry, petty-minded bigots and sold using lies and wild promises to a credulous public.

Blah, blah, blah.

You lost, we won, get over it.

[Essan]

42 minutes ago, Electric Scooter said:

Blah, blah, blah.

You lost, we won, get over it.

How old are you?  And does your mummy know you are on the Internet again?  

 

Seriously, anyone who thinks it was about winning or losing simply doesn't understand the real world. 

 

(and for the record I voted to leave the EU - but I think the useless idiots we chose to form our parliament have made a complete pigs ear of it because they really don't have a clue and even less concern for those of us who aren't mega rich like they and their mates all are)