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Italian foreign minister calls for formation of EU army
 

ROME, Jan 7 (Reuters) - The European Union should form its own combined army that could play a role in peacekeeping and preventing conflict, Italian Foreign Minister Antonio Tajani said
 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italian-foreign-minister-calls-formation-eu-army-2024-01-07/

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That's actually a pretty good idea.

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6 minutes ago, Alchopwn said:

That's actually a pretty good idea.

Having a powerful deterrent promotes peace. 

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The final act of creating a state is giving it an army.

It can then been deployed to silence any move for independence. 

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5 hours ago, Destination Unknown said:

So Nigel Farage was right all along after all then. Or was he lying, and there isn't going to be a European Army, because you can't have it both ways? 🤔👇👇👇👇

https://youtu.be/GUcuSfGLpUI?si=M22WTFbzGpBvt9Cu

Farage has never been right of anything, and the UK is paying the price.
 

An EU army makes a lot of sense. America might become Trumpland soon and the EU is future proofing itself. Smart! 

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21 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Farage has never been right of anything, and the UK is paying the price.
 

An EU army makes a lot of sense. America might become Trumpland soon and the EU is future proofing itself. Smart! 

How has he never been right on anything, when quite clearly he was right that the EU is openly talking about a European Armed Forces, and what's more, the EU was openly talking about an EU Army long before Trump came on the scene, so what's he not right about regarding an EU Army then?

https://youtu.be/WQecSS5ribM?si=yyvcPZ89R-nzMArv

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4 hours ago, Destination Unknown said:

How has he never been right on anything, when quite clearly he was right that the EU is openly talking about a European Armed Forces, and what's more, the EU was openly talking about an EU Army long before Trump came on the scene, so what's he not right about regarding an EU Army then?

https://youtu.be/WQecSS5ribM?si=yyvcPZ89R-nzMArv

A European army would be the worlds leading superpower with Germany at the centre.

No thanks.

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58 minutes ago, Electric Scooter said:

A European army would be the worlds leading superpower with Germany at the centre.

No thanks.

Exactly. A totally German dominated Europe with its own Armed Forces.... What could possibly go wrong.

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10 hours ago, Electric Scooter said:

The final act of creating a state is giving it an army.

It can then been deployed to silence any move for independence. 

Exactly. Why would a trading bloc even need its own Armed Forces anyway, unless of course they're doing it to further their wannabe federal European Superstate wet dream that Remoaners swear blind will never happen and is just a Leave voter conspiracy theory.

Here's Mutti Merkel calling for a European Armed Forces back in 2018, and in there somewhere she mentions how alcoholic Juncker was calling for the same thing 4 years earlier than that, so this has been talked about for at least the last 10 years.

And just look at all the enthusiastic cheering from the demented seals in the EU's fake Parliament as well. Reminds me of the admiration a certain German leader with a funny moustache from the 1930s garnered from his ranting speeches.

https://youtu.be/NmHVTmEYqRA?si=cmu6StUK2TdZd_dN

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7 minutes ago, Destination Unknown said:

Exactly. A totally German dominated Europe with its own Armed Forces.... What could possibly go wrong.

Well it’s the French that would assume operating command, not Germany, since they have the only nuclear weapons and delivery systems. 
 

I think the EU army would take on an infrastructural and aid role. Providing air and sea lift services and aiding front line member states like Poland, Baltics, Romania and Greece with military procurement funds

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28 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Well it’s the French that would assume operating command, not Germany, since they have the only nuclear weapons and delivery systems.

Oh really. So why has the Dutch land forces been integrated into the German army in March last year then? 🤔

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/bundeswehr-takes-over-the-field-army-of-the-netherlands/

 

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3 minutes ago, Destination Unknown said:

Oh really. So why has the Dutch land forces been integrated into the German army in April last year then? 🤔

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/bundeswehr-takes-over-the-field-army-of-the-netherlands/

 

No idea. 
 

Now if I had to think of how you could get a European army to work you would have to have two structures under a single command we’re specialised troops like fighter jests and ships would cascade into a theatre of war. The Germans, Poles and eventually the Ukrainians would take a direct responsibility for northern border security and the French, Italians and Spanish for the south. Borderline states  would be supported and supplied by a common pool of ammunition and weapons.

The EU could even raise joint artillery and air defence units if they ever agree to a common operating language. Possibly French or even English

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10 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

No idea. 
 

Now if I had to think of how you could get a European army to work you would have to have two structures under a single command we’re specialised troops like fighter jests and ships would cascade into a theatre of war. The Germans, Poles and eventually the Ukrainians would take a direct responsibility for northern border security and the French, Italians and Spanish for the south. Borderline states  would be supported and supplied by a common pool of ammunition and weapons.

The EU could even raise joint artillery and air defence units if they ever agree to a common operating language. Possibly French or even English

So why would a trading bloc even need its own Armed Forces in the first place anyway, unless of course they're doing it to further their wannabe federal European Superstate wet dream that Remainers swear blind will never happen and is just a Leave voter conspiracy theory. 🤔

https://youtu.be/NmHVTmEYqRA?si=cmu6StUK2TdZd_dN

 

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8 minutes ago, Destination Unknown said:

So why would a trading bloc even need its own Armed Forces in the first place anyway, unless of course they're doing it to further their wannabe federal European Superstate wet dream that Remainers swear blind will never happen and is just a Leave voter conspiracy theory. 🤔

https://youtu.be/NmHVTmEYqRA?si=cmu6StUK2TdZd_dN

 

Because NATO has been politicised by America and republicans are not as keen as continuing this relationship. Who can blame Paris and Berlin for not wanting to come under Russian influence 

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55 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Because NATO has been politicised by America and republicans are not as keen as continuing this relationship. Who can blame Paris and Berlin for not wanting to come under Russian influence 

Rubbish. If that's the case then why has EU member Finland only just joined NATO in April 2023 then, whilst EU member Sweden is right now waiting for their application to NATO to be ratified by the other NATO members, and Ukraine, who certainly doesn't want to come under Russian influence either, has also applied to join NATO? 🤦👇👇👇👇

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_49212.htm

 

Here's Mutti Merkel calling for a European Armed Forces back in 2018, and in there somewhere she mentions how alcoholic Juncker was calling for the same thing 4 years earlier than that, so this has been talked about for at least the last 10 years, if not more.

🤦👇👇👇👇 

https://youtu.be/NmHVTmEYqRA?si=cmu6StUK2TdZd_dN

 

Care to remind us all who was POTUS in 2014? 🤔

Oh yes, it was EU-loving Obama, a Democrat, who had been in office since 2009, so where was the threat to NATO from the Republicans then? 🤦

Why don't you just admit the truth, the only reason the EU is trying to build a European Armed Forces is to further their wannabe federal European Superstate wet dream that Remainers swear blind will never happen and is just a Leave voter conspiracy theory? 👇👇👇👇

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/12/01/mario-draghi-european-union-single-megastate-italy/

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2 hours ago, Electric Scooter said:

They already annexed windmill land?

the windmill land was part of germania long ago anyways - so more like returning home ;)

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15 hours ago, Destination Unknown said:

So why would a trading bloc even need its own Armed Forces in the first place anyway,

It a trading bloc and also Europe. Whis we are part of. And it is being threatened by Putin, and Trump is unreliable in US support of NATO.

The only people opposed to Europe being militarily strong is its enemies - oh I forget, the ERG want Britain to leave the ECHR (and perforce other international treaties and join with Russia and Belarus as the only other non-participants).

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1 hour ago, pellinore said:

1. It a trading bloc and also Europe. Whis we are part of. And it is being threatened by Putin, and Trump is unreliable in US support of NATO.

2. The only people opposed to Europe being militarily strong is its enemies - oh I forget, the ERG want Britain to leave the ECHR (and perforce other international treaties and join with Russia and Belarus as the only other non-participants).

You obviously must really like making yourself look an absolute clown on here pellinore. What is wrong with you? I am seriously asking here. Every time I think your posts have reached a level of idiocy that cannot be surpassed, you accomplish it.

1. Europe is a continental region consisting of around 50 countries, so your beloved EU is NOT Europe at all is it pellinore, because there are only 27 of those 50 countries in your beloved EU. 👇👇👇👇🤦

https://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/europe.htm

 

2. If the ECHR is so wonderful, then why has your beloved EU itself as a body still not signed up to it then, even though the EU's accession to the ECHR is a legal obligation of 'The Lisbon Treaty'? 🤔

Article 6(2) of 'The Lisbon Treaty' requires that the European Union itself as a body must sign up to the 'European Convention on Human Rights' (ECHR), but after an ECJ ruling in December 2014, negotiations for EU accession stalled.

In July 2013 the European Commission approached the ECJ to seek its opinion on whether ECHR accession was compatible with EU law. In December 2014 the EU's Supreme Court ruled that the bloc itself as a body cannot join the 'European Convention on Human Rights', because - get this.... to do so would undermine its own laws and give an external body the power to review the application of EU law. How's that for irony eh.!! 😂

Quote: "Accession is liable to upset the underlying balance of the EU and undermine the autonomy of EU law" the court said in its ruling, adding that, quote: "In light of the problems identified, the Court concludes that the draft agreement on the accession of the EU to the ECHR is incompatible with EU law."

So by your very own logic pellinore, the EU itself is an enemy of Europe. 🤦👇👇👇👇

https://www.icj.org/eu-court-opinion-a-major-setback-for-human-rights-in-europe/

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To begin with @pellinore isn`t British.

He does live here but nothing he has ever said allows us to determine if the came from the EU or outside of it. But he is anti-UK in that he is scared stiff of a strong independent Britain. Therefore I am inclined to believe he is an ethnic minority projecting onto people his fears of the past British Empire. The kind who wants Britain torn down in a way where it could never happen again while ignoring the detriment to our society and people of EU membership. Its selfish.

He cherry picks left wing pro-EU media stories, portrays them as truth, and ignores everything to the contrary. I place him in the hardcore pro-EU camp but as he doesn`t represent most of our people there is nothing to worry about. Few listen to him, most can see through him, he is the UM version of Biden or CNN but targeting the UK rather than American politics.

Our government needs to kidnap him and subject him to a `re-education program` of tea and cricket. If he cannot be fixed we should deport him the to Franco-Prussian empire. If he likes them so much lets still see if he still likes them when it emerges as the 4th Reich lol.

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17 hours ago, Destination Unknown said:

Rubbish. If that's the case then why has EU member Finland only just joined NATO in April 2023 then, whilst EU member Sweden is right now waiting for their application to NATO to be ratified by the other NATO members, and Ukraine, who certainly doesn't want to come under Russian influence either, has also applied to join NATO? 🤦👇👇👇👇

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_49212.htm

 

Here's Mutti Merkel calling for a European Armed Forces back in 2018, and in there somewhere she mentions how alcoholic Juncker was calling for the same thing 4 years earlier than that, so this has been talked about for at least the last 10 years, if not more.

🤦👇👇👇👇 

https://youtu.be/NmHVTmEYqRA?si=cmu6StUK2TdZd_dN

 

Care to remind us all who was POTUS in 2014? 🤔

Oh yes, it was EU-loving Obama, a Democrat, who had been in office since 2009, so where was the threat to NATO from the Republicans then? 🤦

Why don't you just admit the truth, the only reason the EU is trying to build a European Armed Forces is to further their wannabe federal European Superstate wet dream that Remainers swear blind will never happen and is just a Leave voter conspiracy theory? 👇👇👇👇

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/12/01/mario-draghi-european-union-single-megastate-italy/

So it’s wrong for the EU to want to have a federal structure to compete globally BUT it’s fine for the England to hoist a federal structure on the rest of Britain?

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42 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

So it’s wrong for the EU to want to have a federal structure to compete globally BUT it’s fine for the England to hoist a federal structure on the rest of Britain?

No Unusual, it's wrong for the EU to arrogantly assume that a federal structure is what people really want in the first place and just impose it on them without their consent. Nobody in the EU has consented to a federal European Superstate, unlike in the UK, where there have been numerous referendums over the years asking the various individual nations whether they want to remain part of the United Kingdom. Spoiler Alert: They all voted in favour of it.

How many EU nations do you think would vote in favour of a federal European Superstate if their countries ever had the stones to finally tell them the truth about the true direction the EU is heading and ask them if that's what they actually wanted? 🤔

How many more would have voted to Leave the EU in 2016 if the Remain side had actually told the truth about the true direction of the EU? 🤔

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On 1/7/2024 at 3:13 PM, Destination Unknown said:

So Nigel Farage was right all along after all then. Or was he lying, and there isn't going to be a European Army, because you can't have it both ways? 🤔👇👇👇👇

https://youtu.be/GUcuSfGLpUI?si=M22WTFbzGpBvt9Cu

Everyone knows Farage is a traitor. He called Putin the greatest politician he knew and was in receipt of Russian money to help fund Brexit. The Russian ambassador was even quoted in the Express:

The threatening comments are quoted in journalist Luke Harding’s book, ‘Shadow State: Murder, Mayhem, and Russia's Remaking of the West’, published in 2020.

Speaking to a fellow diplomat, Mr Yakovenko reportedly said: “We have crushed the British to the ground.

“They are on their knees, and they will not rise for a very long time.”

Farage is a very dangerous politician: he has just about destroyed UK farming and fishing. That is why he is treated with such caution. He and Tice were born into wealthy families, attended private schools, moved into banking etc (although both lacked academic talent) and now make a living exploiting the working class who think they are "men of the people".

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33 minutes ago, pellinore said:

Everyone knows Farage is a traitor. He called Putin the greatest politician he knew and was in receipt of Russian money to help fund Brexit. The Russian ambassador was even quoted in the Express:

The threatening comments are quoted in journalist Luke Harding’s book, ‘Shadow State: Murder, Mayhem, and Russia's Remaking of the West’, published in 2020.

Speaking to a fellow diplomat, Mr Yakovenko reportedly said: “We have crushed the British to the ground.

“They are on their knees, and they will not rise for a very long time.”

Farage is a very dangerous politician: he has just about destroyed UK farming and fishing. That is why he is treated with such caution. He and Tice were born into wealthy families, attended private schools, moved into banking etc (although both lacked academic talent) and now make a living exploiting the working class who think they are "men of the people".

You just don't stop do you pellinore?

The only traitors are the ones that are hell-bent on selling our country out to a wannabe federal European Superstate where we would ultimately be answerable to a Politburo based in Brussels. That would be YOU wouldn't it pellinore. 🤔

As for farming and fishing, remove your UK-hating EU-loving blinkers for once in your life and take a good long look at what's really going on in your beloved EU, where Dutch farmers have been protesting against their Government's plans to buy up and close down 3,000 farms in order to comply with the EU's rules on reducing nitrogen emissions. The perfect example of creeping EU overreach. 👇👇👇👇

https://dailycaller.com/2023/03/11/dutch-farmers-protest-government-farm-closures-regional-elections/

 

And where Irish farmers have been protesting against their Government's plans to cull 200,000 cows, again, in order to comply with your beloved EU's emissions standards. 👇👇👇👇

https://www.beefcentral.com/news/irish-farmers-protest-plans-to-cull-200000-cows-elon-musk-weighs-in/

 

And where German farmers have today blocked roads with tractors in a nationwide protest over agriculture policies. 👇👇👇👇

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-farmers-protest-causes-nationwide-disruption/live-67913441

 

Whilst in the UK, from the website 'Fishing News', 17th January 2023: "Brixham fishmarket saw a record-breaking £60.8m worth of fish auctioned during 2022. The amount smashes its previous record of £43.6m, set in 2021, and includes a first-ever £2m week for the market, recorded in September."

https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/brixham-smashes-record-with-60m-sales/#:~:text=Brixham fishmarket saw a record,the market%2C recorded in September.

 

Meanwhile, in your beloved EU. From the website 'Fishing Daily', July 28th 2022: "Decommissioning scheme is another tragedy for Irish fishing"

Quote: "The European Commission has today approved an €80 million decommissioning scheme to reduce the size of the Irish fishing fleet by another 60 vessels. This will take the size of the offshore fleet over 18 metres to about one third of what it was in 2006 (280 down to 100).

Following the announcement, Sinn Fein Spokesperson on Fisheries, Padraig Mac Lochlainn said, quote:

"Today's announcement is another tragic blow to our fishing and coastal communities. The intentional and managed collapse of our fishing industry is truly shocking."

https://thefishingdaily.com/latest-news/decommissioning-scheme-is-another-tragedy-for-irish-fishing-mac-lochlainn/

 

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