Trump says he would encourage Russia to attack Nato countries

[Unusual Tournament]

Donald Trump says he would encourage Russia to attack Nato countries who don’t pay ‘bills’

Seeking a second presidency as the Republicans’ presumptive 2024 White House nominee, Donald Trump has said he would “encourage” Russia to attack any of the US’s Nato allies whom he considers to have not met their financial obligations.
 

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/11/donald-trump-says-he-would-encourage-russia-to-attack-nato-countries-who-dont-pay-bills

[Abramelin]

Idiot.

[psyche101]

War monger. 

And idiot. 

People hated in Hillary for being a war monger. I wonder if those same people will feel the same about this deplorable statement.

Not fit to be president. 

[moonman]

Says the MFer who never pays his own bills.

Edited February 11 by moonman

[Agent0range]

C'mon Trumpers.  Defend this one.  This is one of the craziest things he has ever said.  

[Agent0range]

The quote in the OP does it no justice.  Here is the terrible part.

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“No, I would not protect you. In fact, I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want. You got to pay. You got to pay your bills.”

 

[+Razman]

He also said he didn't think any of them would help us if we were attacked.

[Abramelin]

8 minutes ago, Razman said:

He also said he didn't think any of them would help us if we were attacked.

His problems start as soon as he starts thinking.

[acidhead]

🤣 

[Unusual Tournament]

4 hours ago, psyche101 said:

War monger. 

And idiot. 

People hated in Hillary for being a war monger. I wonder if those same people will feel the same about this deplorable statement.

Not fit to be president. 

It’s almost an indictment on the American public. Are they voting for someone that’s ignorant on world matters or someone that wants to destroy America’s foreign policy empire? Either way an exercise in self harm

[Unusual Tournament]

4 hours ago, moonman said:

Says the MFer who never pays his own bills.

Yeah I thought the same. 

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

[Sarcasm] Well GOOD Trump is ensuring that not only is NATO actually being used for the purpose it was meant to BUT ALSO ensuring those freeloaders in Europe pull their weight. What. A. Hero. [ /Sarcasm] 

[+ouija ouija]

So, if Putin does as Trump says and starts attacking NATO countries and those countries retalliate and start smashing Russia into oblivion . . . will Trump send US forces to support Russia? 

[pellinore]

6 hours ago, Agent0range said:

C'mon Trumpers.  Defend this one.  This is one of the craziest things he has ever said.  

Trump's election campaign is not going down very well this side of the Pond. The BBC mentioned this morning his claim that he'd like Tucker Carlson as VP.

Le Monde has previously said: ...the trials targeting the ex-president must take place, starting with the one concerning the disputed results of the 2020 presidential election. It is no longer a question of the simple spite of a sore loser. Trump is taking revenge against all those who did not blindly follow him at that moment the program for his eventual return to power. The "stolen election" conspiracy theory has become the motto for a cult that is devastating the concept of democracy in the US.

 

Edited February 11 by pellinore

[Saru]

Coming from a country (the UK) in which there was recently talk of reintroducing conscription due to the potential for a future attack by Russia on a NATO country, Trump is playing with fire making comments like this. We are living in very uncertain times, what we certainly don't need is for the (potential future) President of the United States to be blackmailing NATO countries by giving Putin the idea that the US would not only stand aside and allow him to invade them, but would even encourage him to do so.

Ultimately it's the rest of Europe (and its allies) that would have to deal with the consequences.

The White House has responded:

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A White House spokesman said the former president was "encouraging invasions of our closest allies by murderous regimes", and labelled the comments "appalling and unhinged". He added that the statement "endangers American national security, global stability and our economy at home".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68266447

[pellinore]

For anyone in Europe now to openly say they support Trump is tantamount to declaring yourself a traitor. Step forward Nigel Farage.

[WVK]

1 hour ago, pellinore said:

For anyone in Europe now to openly say they support Trump is tantamount to declaring yourself a traitor. Step forward Nigel Farage.

Why would deadbeat countrys support Trump?:

The number of NATO nations meeting or exceeding the alliance's spending target has continued to fall, according to the latest official estimates. The UK is one of only eight nations out of 30 believed to be hitting the target and remains fourth in the list of proportional spending. NATO sets alliance members the aim of spending 2% of their gross domestic product (GDP) on defence.

https://www.forces.net/news/world/nato-which-countries-pay-their-share-defence

[+and-then]

We're 7 years on with listening to his hyperbole and taunting and still you guys try to take everything he says LITERALLY.  He talked a lot of **** in 2016  about NATO.  Did we pull out?  Did he, in fact, change ANYTHING about the way we operated within that alliance?  SMH... this guy isn't that difficult to understand IF you have a desire to do so.  OTOH, if you take your cues from media and you parse every syllable to see just how much you can go full panic mode then you'll never lack for hysteria.  Frankly, it gets boring.  You folks need to grow the hell up.

[WVK]

25 minutes ago, WVK said:

Why would deadbeat countrys support Trump?:

The number of NATO nations meeting or exceeding the alliance's spending target has continued to fall, according to the latest official estimates. The UK is one of only eight nations out of 30 believed to be hitting the target and remains fourth in the list of proportional spending. NATO sets alliance members the aim of spending 2% of their gross domestic product (GDP) on defence.

https://www.forces.net/news/world/nato-which-countries-pay-their-share-defence

Note: Of all NATO members the richest, Luxembourg, pays the least percentage wise,

[pellinore]

16 minutes ago, WVK said:

Note: Of all NATO members the richest, Luxembourg, pays the least percentage wise,

Good point. I just looked this up:

As a share of its GDP, Poland is the biggest defense spender in NATO, budgeting 3.9 percent in 2023. The U.S. is second, spending 3.49 percent, followed by Greece at 3.01 percent, Estonia at 2.73 percent, and Lithuania at 2.54 percent. Luxembourg, at 0.72 percent, is the smallest spender, followed by Belgium at 1.13 percent, Spain at 1.26 percent, Turkey at 1.31 percent, and Slovenia at 1.35 percent.

 

 

Edited February 11 by pellinore

[pallidin]

27 minutes ago, and-then said:

We're 7 years on with listening to his hyperbole and taunting and still you guys try to take everything he says LITERALLY.  He talked a lot of **** in 2016  about NATO.  Did we pull out?  Did he, in fact, change ANYTHING about the way we operated within that alliance?  SMH... this guy isn't that difficult to understand IF you have a desire to do so.  OTOH, if you take your cues from media and you parse every syllable to see just how much you can go full panic mode then you'll never lack for hysteria.  Frankly, it gets boring.  You folks need to grow the hell up.

So basically Trump can say ANYTHING HE WANTS, and if it goes in his favor he says "Look what I've accomplished", and, if there's a serious backlash he says "Hey! Why so upset, I was just kidding"?

Typical bully narcissist... he's ALWAYS right. And Trump takes even that psycho-drama to it's extreme.

In this case those tactics are not only ridiculously over-board, painfully childish and provocatively dangerous, they completely undermine the ideal presentations of an honorable statesman.

Trump is a fool, and a very dangerous one at that. Couldn't be more obvious.

And all you have to suggest, and-then, is to quit taking him literally and for us to "grow up"?!

Seems like Trump is the one that needs to grow up, and now you as well.

 

 

[Kittens Are Jerks]

17 minutes ago, pellinore said:

Good point. I just looked this up:

As a share of its GDP, Poland is the biggest defense spender in NATO, budgeting 3.9 percent in 2023. The U.S. is second, spending 3.49 percent, followed by Greece at 3.01 percent, Estonia at 2.73 percent, and Lithuania at 2.54 percent. Luxembourg, at 0.72 percent, is the smallest spender, followed by Belgium at 1.13 percent, Spain at 1.26 percent, Turkey at 1.31 percent, and Slovenia at 1.35 percent.

You forgot Canada. We rank among the lowest military spenders in NATO and currently have no plan to meet the (flawed, false metric) 2% of GDP target which, throughout most of its history, has been more of a suggestion than an actual target anyway.

Not too worried about Russia attacking us though, even though they've hated us since 1972.

[Kittens Are Jerks]

The following is a detailed explanation of how NATO is funded, for anyone here who is interested.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_67655.htm

 

 

 

[Edumakated]

Trump doesn't talk like a politician.  Good or bad.

The context is really simple.  The US is subsidizing NATO and member countries aren't paying their fair share.  All he is saying is the members who aren't paying into NATO as agreed might need to suffer the consequences.  Of course, he is using a lot of hyperbole to get his point across.

Reminds me of a scene in The Wire (the greatest TV show ever).  One of the major drug dealers set up a co-op of sorts where all the dealers worked together.  There was one dealer who didn't want to join the co-op as he didn't see the benefit.  In this scene, the head of the co-op is sharing info he heard through his contact in law enforcement about a pending drug bust on a non-member.  The guy he is trying to convince to join starts to see the benefit when the head of the co-op says he had no incentive to warn to other dealer since he was not a member.

 

[Duke Wellington]

14 minutes ago, Edumakated said:

Trump doesn't talk like a politician.  Good or bad.

The context is really simple.  The US is subsidizing NATO and member countries aren't paying their fair share.  All he is saying is the members who aren't paying into NATO as agreed might need to suffer the consequences.  Of course, he is using a lot of hyperbole to get his point across.

Reminds me of a scene in The Wire (the greatest TV show ever).  One of the major drug dealers set up a co-op of sorts where all the dealers worked together.  There was one dealer who didn't want to join the co-op as he didn't see the benefit.  In this scene, the head of the co-op is sharing info he heard through his contact in law enforcement about a pending drug bust on a non-member.  The guy he is trying to convince to join starts to see the benefit when the head of the co-op says he had no incentive to warn to other dealer since he was not a member.

 

There are seven European countries spending more than 2% of GDP on defence -  US, UK, Poland, Greece, and the three Baltic States.

Major economies taking advantage of us include Germany, Italy, France, and Spain. Its not just taking advantage of the US but the rest of us paying our way too. Its gotten so ridiculous they really expect us Brits to go through conscription to plug their military void if Russia goes for it. Hell will freeze over before us Brits go to die for them.

Go Trump!