Disinformation influenced the UFO movement.

[Hazzard]

During the cold war, such disinformation campaigns became profoundly important, as we were in the nuclear age, and espionage between the United States and the Soviet Union was a matter of life and death. So let's have a look at how UFO-related disinformation influenced the UFO movement.

It was perfectly plausible that the UFO groups on stakeout formed a pipeline of classified information to Soviet spies. And so in an ironic twist, the UFO groups, who intended to support national security by revealing what they thought was an alien threat, actually became the national security threat themselves.

How was the Air Force to deal with this potential leak? They could have arrested the UFO guys, but among the various types of fallout that would create was the fact that such arrests would certify to any Soviet spies that the information was indeed valuable. Another way to deal with it was with disinformation, to discredit the UFO groups by persuading them that their observations did indeed pertain to aliens, and not to actual Air Force capabilities. Soviet spies were much less likely to take interest in claims of flying saucers than they were in film of American F-117A aircraft.

So the Air Force Office of Special Investigations (AFOSI) developed a new expertise: Feeding made-up disinformation about aliens and UFOs to the UFO enthusiasts, indicating that the United States did indeed have deep relationships with aliens. In some cases, this information — which was exactly what the UFO groups salivated for — was actually provided in exchange for information about the UFO groups' movements and what data they may have collected.

 

What if all you believers have been used in this clever but very sinister way??

 

https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4528 

 

 

Edited February 16 by Saru
Fixed typo

[Hawken]

[MrsGently]

51 minutes ago, Hazzard said:

What if all you believers have used in this clever but very sinister way??

 

 

 

'have been used' and you know

for soemone who can't even adress the intended audience without discrediting like a few million people who all have significantly more experience and knowledge and a wider overview than you, my suggestion is that you are active member of the group trying to do exactly this:

Pseudo-scepticism to discredit all those independent researchers.

Can't allow those sheep to stray from the herd, right?

Some will say 'ooooh how smart Hazzard is!?' others like me will say 'you poor simple minded fool without imagination'

meh

right?

Okay. You believe

We research.

each according to their abilities.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

One of the earliest UFO groups like MUFON was set up, run by and had as members retired alphabet agency members. You cannot tell me that that wasn’t a Disinfo exercise (it’s also probably the source of a lot of MIB sightings in the early days as once a spook in a suit, always a spook in a suit). 

[Essan]

The Roswell Protocol 

Imply it's aliens.  Deny its aliens.  Create confusion. Smoke and mirrors.  Meanwhile the reality gets denied and forgotten.  A great way to cover up.  

More recently, as I have said elsewhere, if you want to test new technology without anyone knowing, test it on your own military, but don't tell them.  Then use the Roswell Protocol to add confusion.  

And, just to be safe, get a few seemingly credible witnesses to reveal all (but actually just reveal what we want our rivals to think) 

[Zebra3]

1 hour ago, MrsGently said:

for soemone who can't even adress the intended audience without discrediting like a few million people who all have significantly more experience and knowledge and a wider overview than you

Yeah, useless when someone's seen something with their own eyes.

[Essan]

Alternatively, various aliens have been visiting us for decades, using aircraft that look like saucers, then triangles and more recently "tic tacs", have never been observed by anyone who knew how to take a photograph, have frequently crashed - but only in places where the CIA can recover their craft before anyone sees them - and all the nations of the Earth have been covering up this so that NASA and everyone else searching for alien life don't know. 

[MrsGently]

17 minutes ago, Essan said:

Alternatively, various aliens have been visiting us for decades, using aircraft that look like saucers, then triangles and more recently "tic tacs", have never been observed by anyone who knew how to take a photograph, have frequently crashed - but only in places where the CIA can recover their craft before anyone sees them - and all the nations of the Earth have been covering up this so that NASA and everyone else searching for alien life don't know. 

or, alternatively everybody looking for nuts'n bolts and/or is looking to discredit nuts'n bolts 'saucers' is firmly stuck in the pre 2012 world.

have fun with that one!

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[Hazzard]

3 hours ago, MrsGently said:

'have been used' and you know

for soemone who can't even adress the intended audience without discrediting like a few million people who all have significantly more experience and knowledge and a wider overview than you, my suggestion is that you are active member of the group trying to do exactly this:

Pseudo-scepticism to discredit all those independent researchers.

Can't allow those sheep to stray from the herd, right?

Some will say 'ooooh how smart Hazzard is!?' others like me will say 'you poor simple minded fool without imagination'

meh

right?

Okay. You believe

We research.

each according to their abilities.

David Grusch latest circus comes to mind... They keep bating and you gladly jump on their woo woo train without even a second thought. (Dont look at the man behind the curtain.)

The evil Gubmint are playing you guys like a piano... 

Edited February 15 by Hazzard

[Hazzard]

3 hours ago, Essan said:

The Roswell Protocol 

Imply it's aliens.  Deny its aliens.  Create confusion. Smoke and mirrors.  Meanwhile the reality gets denied and forgotten.  A great way to cover up.  

More recently, as I have said elsewhere, if you want to test new technology without anyone knowing, test it on your own military, but don't tell them.  Then use the Roswell Protocol to add confusion.  

And, just to be safe, get a few seemingly credible witnesses to reveal all (but actually just reveal what we want our rivals to think) 

Yep. To hide Project Mogul... balloon trains, high altitude balloons spying on the Soviet nuke tests... one goes down smack in Joe Sixpacks backyard...

Alienz! 👌

And its not like they have to tell the believers twice either!😄

Edited February 15 by Hazzard

[MrsGently]

7 hours ago, Hazzard said:

David Grusch latest circus comes to mind... They keep bating and you gladly jump on their woo woo train without even a second thought. (Dont look at the man behind the curtain.)

The evil Gubmint are playing you guys like a piano... 

LOL

Like i believe Grush - I was analysing it, that doesn't mean I believe the guy who has nothing more to say than 'I heard of people talking about people seeing something'

 

You're funny. Assumptions are not a good basis for conclusions. That is what you do, not me.

Also

Quote

The evil Gubmint ...

is that your opinion or another assumption? How do you know I am not working for any government?

Edited February 16 by MrsGently
question are

[Hazzard]

11 minutes ago, MrsGently said:

LOL

Like i believe Grush - I was analysing it, that doesn't mean I believe the guy who has nothing more to say than 'I heard of people talking about people seeing something'

 

You're funny. Assumptions are not a good basis for conclusions. That is what you do, not me.

Also

is that your opinion or another assumption? How do you know I am not working for any government?

The same way I know that you are just a kid "LOL"

[MrsGently]

Just now, Hazzard said:

The same way I know that you are just a kid "LOL"

yes, exactly my point: assumptions out of thin air. Some on this forum know my age. You don't.

[Hazzard]

24 minutes ago, MrsGently said:

yes, exactly my point: assumptions out of thin air. Some on this forum know my age. You don't.

What else would you like to talk about?

[skyeagle409]

12 hours ago, Essan said:

Alternatively, various aliens have been visiting us for decades, using aircraft that look like saucers, then triangles and more recently "tic tacs", have never been observed by anyone who knew how to take a photograph, have frequently crashed - but only in places where the CIA can recover their craft before anyone sees them - and all the nations of the Earth have been covering up this so that NASA and everyone else searching for alien life don't know. 

Speaking of the CIA, it was the CIA that revealed a number of UFO cases including the 1976 Iranian UFO incident after it lost that lawsuit to GSW. You can see the CIA on the distribution list just above the National Security Agency (NSA) and the White House.

The following document was made available by the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA). and notice where it says: Department of Defense.

dia.mil/FOIA/FOIA-Electronic-Reading-Room/FileId/161710/

A classic case where the government says one thing for public consumption and reveal a completely different story behind closed doors.

CIA and UFOs 
 "Unknown objects are operating under intelligent control... It is imperative that we learn where UFO's come from and what their purpose is..." 
 Admiral Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter Director, Central Intelligence Agency 1947-1950 

EX-C.I.A. CHIEF WANTS UFO PROBE (cia.gov)

 

 

Edited February 16 by skyeagle409

[MrsGently]

1 hour ago, skyeagle409 said:

CIA and UFOs 
 "Unknown objects are operating under intelligent control... It is imperative that we learn where UFO's come from and what their purpose is..." 
 Admiral Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter Director, Central Intelligence Agency 1947-1950 

EX-C.I.A. CHIEF WANTS UFO PROBE (cia.gov)

 

 

French Government in their COMETA report (archive.org full) came to the same conclusion. Unknown objects... intelligent... GEIPAN in case someone wants to look what they got reports have been released (2007).

[Trelane]

It was known and reported over 20 years ago that the CIA and the US intelligence community leveraged the UFO craze to be used as a counterintelligence program for most of the Cold War. Big nothing burger.

[MrsGently]

17 minutes ago, Trelane said:

It was known and reported over 20 years ago that the CIA and the US intelligence community leveraged the UFO craze to be used as a counterintelligence program for most of the Cold War. Big nothing burger.

I know the Satanic craze was also in England used to further their interests. That is what work in intelligence means you don't create you jump on to what presents itself. It is just more convincing that way.

You're just in denial. It is okay. Just step away and have a nice cup of tea.

[Hazzard]

In the last decade, websites have spread non-evidence-based conspiratorial ideas in an unprecedented fashion, resulting in a supposed “Golden Age of Conspiracy”.

 Several websites, originally known for touting merely misleading information, have increasingly utilized conspiracy theories for specific political purposes . Supporting this idea, today, almost 90% of the American public endorse at least one conspiracy theory.

This is very interesting stuff,  about five of the most "popular" ones.... QAnon, 9/11, COVID-19, UFO, Aliens, and Flat-Earth.

 

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2301.10880.pdf 

[Trelane]

3 hours ago, MrsGently said:

I know the Satanic craze was also in England used to further their interests. That is what work in intelligence means you don't create you jump on to what presents itself. It is just more convincing that way.

You're just in denial. It is okay. Just step away and have a nice cup of tea.

I beg your pardon? What are you on about?

No denial here. Do your homework before you engage with me. I don't suffer silliness and certainly not laziness.

Edited February 16 by Trelane

[MrsGently]

1 hour ago, Trelane said:

I beg your pardon? What are you on about?

No denial here. Do your homework before you engage with me. I don't suffer silliness and certainly not laziness.

I am saying as slow and clear as I possibly can, that just as the fear of Satanists which was amplified and exploited in England by the Secret Folks, the UFO phenomenon was used for their purposes but not 'created' by the CIA.

LOL you always with your passive agressive 'haha' on comments, like you're the authority on anything, to me that youst makes you come across a little sad and pathetic...

[Essan]

3 minutes ago, MrsGently said:

I am saying as slow and clear as I possibly can, that just as the fear of Satanists which was amplified and exploited in England by the Secret Folks, the UFO phenomenon was used for their purposes but not 'created' by the CIA.

LOL you always with your passive agressive 'haha' on comments, like you're the authority on anything, to me that youst makes you come across a little sad and pathetic...

You saying the Daily Mail is behind it all?   

[MrsGently]

I am saying I got the trifecta of discrediting all UFO discussions on this forum @Hazzard & @Trelane & @Essan here displaying their school yard bully attitude for everybody to see.

It doesn't bother me you know. I am used to people being too stupid to understand what I am saying so to me you cause me just a shrug and a meh... I just think it is a little embarrasing when you not even try to hide that this is some sort of 'almost sexual' dominance sport for you people without imagination. Or a clue.

When the CIA says the UFO phenomenon is real I am listening. When the French government says the same thing, and I add my own research and experience I am willing to believe that. Like a good 85% that this is what is really happening.

I need neither of you to believe it. You can clown away and display to the whole world what a###h##es you are, that is really not my problem.

You only discredit yourself with this sort of behaviour not me.

[Essan]

7 minutes ago, MrsGently said:

When the CIA says the UFO phenomenon is real I am listening. When the French government says the same thing, and I add my own research and experience I am willing to believe that.

You can be a good good, obedient citizen and believe what you're told to believe.     Or you can question everything.

[Hazzard]

1 hour ago, MrsGently said:

I am saying I got the trifecta of discrediting all UFO discussions on this forum @Hazzard & @Trelane & @Essan here displaying their school yard bully attitude for everybody to see.

It doesn't bother me you know. I am used to people being too stupid to understand what I am saying so to me you cause me just a shrug and a meh... I just think it is a little embarrasing when you not even try to hide that this is some sort of 'almost sexual' dominance sport for you people without imagination. Or a clue.

When the CIA says the UFO phenomenon is real I am listening. When the French government says the same thing, and I add my own research and experience I am willing to believe that. Like a good 85% that this is what is really happening.

I need neither of you to believe it. You can clown away and display to the whole world what a###h##es you are, that is really not my problem.

You only discredit yourself with this sort of behaviour not me.

Wow 😄 ... Are you sure that you are ok?