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Trump ordered to pay over $350m For fraud


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15 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

I guess the judge doesn't think he will be around 3 years from now.  It seems kind of a random order, for three years, why not 10?

Maybe they want to fine him again?

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13 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Don’t know. But if he does something as silly as use campaign funds to pay off court fees and fines then his goose will be well and truly cooked. Maybe his followers can donate to the ‘save Trump’ appeal? 

Well, didn't he have a gofundme for his court fees at one time?   I thought I saw a blurb about that.   If so,  🤣.   But then the people who paid into it were probably cutting back on their support of the 700 club so they could send him money.

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38 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

Strange that he has had many lawsuits over the years even some that were put on hold when he ran fro president the first time, once he was no longer president, they came crashing back.   You can try to make something out of it that it isn't or you can accept that he has always been a crook and not as smart as most politicians.   His dementia has caused him to admit to things he should have known to keep quiet about that had nothing to do with campaigning for president.

Funny you should accuse Trump of dementia when it's obvious Biden has it. Not to mention needs diapers so he won't mess himself.

Sounds like you're attempting to deflect attention away from Biden by using Projection.

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19 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

Well, didn't he have a gofundme for his court fees at one time?   I thought I saw a blurb about that.   If so,  🤣.   But then the people who paid into it were probably cutting back on their support of the 700 club so they could send him money.

Come to think of it, yes he did have a gofundme page. The guys a scammer. 

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2 hours ago, Hawken said:

Strange how all these indictments suddenly came up on Trump when he announced he was running for president in 2024. :huh:

Strange, isn't it? It's only when people get caught out that they have to pay the consequences. If they weren't caught, everything would be just fine.

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1 minute ago, pellinore said:

Strange, isn't it? It's only when people get caught out that they have to pay the consequences. If they weren't caught, everything would be just fine.

Engoran was appealed and overturned 6 times during this trial. Something that the corporate media fails to mention. Keeping their viewers ignorant. 

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News sources are saying that the court ruling will be for another $100m in pre-judgment interest on top of the $350m.

pre-judgment interest, really?

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1 hour ago, pellinore said:

Strange, isn't it? It's only when people get caught out that they have to pay the consequences. If they weren't caught, everything would be just fine.

It's always someone else's fault. Never his. In spite of the Apprentice, he has the worse hiring skills I've ever heard of. They're all incompetent or scam artists. All the accountants and lawyers and corporate department heads. And his former Cabinet and lawyers. Military leaders too.

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2 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Don’t know. But if he does something as silly as use campaign funds to pay off court fees and fines then his goose will be well and truly cooked. Maybe his followers can donate to the ‘save Trump’ appeal? 

lol isn't he trying to get his daughter in law appointed head of the RNC? I honestly hope he does so they steal all the RNCs money and screw over republican candidates for years to come. 

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1 minute ago, Occupational Hubris said:

lol isn't he trying to get his daughter in law appointed head of the RNC? I honestly hope he does so they steal all the RNCs money and screw over republican candidates for years to come. 

Then they’ll be sure to lock him up and make him wear an orange jumpsuit to match his face lol

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The memes are flying fast, and furious today.

 

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Has anyone checked on and-then? Poor guy must be crushed. 

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1 hour ago, Hankenhunter said:

Has anyone checked on and-then? Poor guy must be crushed. 

Buddy is probably putting in another shift to cover Trump's fine. If all his supporters chip in they can lighten the load for the poor billionaire.

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5 hours ago, susieice said:

Ultimately, isn't the business owner responsible to know what's going on? It doesn't sound like any of them did anything but pass the buck. A good way to run a scam and blame the fall guys. He does politics the same way as seen in his first term.

One would think so, yes. 

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4 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said:

The verdicts combined will cost him some $438m, and that’s only part of what Trump could owe across numerous lawsuits. The payments will likely create a sizable dent in his wallet. Bloomberg’s billionaires’ list estimated that Trump’s net worth in 2021 was about $2.3bn, meaning these two rulings alone could take out almost a fifth of Trump’s net worth.
 

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/16/how-will-trump-pay-trial-penalties

That's if he bites the bullet and pays (and doesn't count what he owes the lawyers... I predict he'll stiff them, per his usual behavior.)  However, I have reason to believe he'll try to fight those charges (unsuccessfully) and the bill will end up being much higher.

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1 hour ago, Occupational Hubris said:

lol isn't he trying to get his daughter in law appointed head of the RNC? I honestly hope he does so they steal all the RNCs money and screw over republican candidates for years to come. 

Yeah, Lara Trump, who says the duty of the RNC is to spend every penny on Donald J Trump's reelection.  No money for Republican Senate, House, and State elections?  Seems self-defeating.  Maybe they did get tired of winning after all.  I think the RNC will wind up paying Trump's legal bills with all of that  money.  Another reason why Trump is mad at Nikki Haley  is that he is forced to spend money in the primary  and she has not bent to his will like everybody else and drop out.

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Trump's penalty could cause NY biz exodus to FL, as New York State becomes 'legal banana republic': experts

that regard, former Bush White House press secretary Ari Fleischer told Fox News the ban may spur Trump to relocate his entire business empire to Florida, just as he has his primary residence.

"If you're Eric [or] Donald Junior, what are you going to do?" he asked.

"[Y]ou just say goodbye to New York, which fits a pattern that many successful people have been doing and leaving New York because New York is just too political, too blue and too punitive – you're seeing that in the business community and among upper income New Yorkers already," he said – adding the state's crime wave accentuates the issue.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/trumps-ny-penalty-cause-biz-exodus-fl-empire-legal-banana-republic-experts

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2 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said:

News sources are saying that the court ruling will be for another $100m in pre-judgment interest on top of the $350m.

pre-judgment interest, really?

Yup.  

Here's a really good article on what "pre-judgment" is: https://www.advocatemagazine.com/article/2017-april/the-power-of-prejudgment-interest-as-damages  Notice that a few paragraphs down is this sentence:

Civil Code section 3288 says: “In an action for the breach of an obligation not arising from contract, and in every case of oppression, fraud, or malice, interest may be given in the discretion of the jury.”

Perhaps you might like to take a gander at the things he was saying/tweeting/"truthing" (on Truth Social)/sending in campaign email about E Jean Carroll and the judge and the judge's clerk -- WHILE HE WAS BEING TRIED FOR DEFAMING E. JEAN CARROLL.  A smart move would have been to say nothing about the trial or the people involved while the trial was going on, but his ego's too big to allow that.

When he was warned about this, he did not back off... he doubled down.

And then before the judgment, the court appointed monitor (from 2022 https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2022/11/03/judge-appoints-independent-monitor-to-oversee-trump-organization-amid-fraud-probe/?sh=356e48116b4d) reported questionable financial behavior (and possibly fraud) dating back to before 2022.

I'd agree it would be unreasonable IF he'd kept his mouth shut and IF his business records had been clean (or with only a flaw or two; small ones.)  However, it has the appearance of his attempting to defraud the system in addition to slandering everyone on the other side of the court case.

As Bugs Bunny says, "what a maroon."

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3 minutes ago, Kenemet said:

I'd agree it would be unreasonable IF he'd kept his mouth shut and IF his business records had been clean (or with only a flaw or two; small ones.)  However, it has the appearance of his attempting to defraud the system in addition to slandering everyone on the other side of the court case.

Here is a common factor maybe,  In this case, the E, Jean Carroll case and the documents case, if he had simply complied or stopped shooting off his mouth the fines would not has been so high.  If he had returned the documents after a year, that trial would have gone away too.  He is doing this to himself. 

Maybe he gets his lawyers and legal advice from Acme, it works so well for Wile E Coyote. 

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21 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Yeah, Lara Trump, who says the duty of the RNC is to spend every penny on Donald J Trump's reelection.  No money for Republican Senate, House, and State elections?  Seems self-defeating.  Maybe they did get tired of winning after all.  I think the RNC will wind up paying Trump's legal bills with all of that  money.  Another reason why Trump is mad at Nikki Haley  is that he is forced to spend money in the primary  and she has not bent to his will like everybody else and drop out.

The Republicans are strapped for cash at this point (February 2024) https://www.newsweek.com/republican-national-committee-funding-cash-finances-1866326

Nikki's got around $14 million to toss at reminding people of what a skunk he is: https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/01/nikki-haley-campaign-raised-17-million-has-14-million-in-the-bank-.html#:~:text=Haley campaign started election year,raising %2417 million last quarter&text=Former United Nations ambassador Nikki,%2414 million in the bank.

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5 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Here is a common factor maybe,  In this case, the E, Jean Carroll case and the documents case, if he had simply complied or stopped shooting off his mouth the fines would not has been so high.  If he had returned the documents after a year, that trial would have gone away too.  He is doing this to himself. 

Maybe he gets his lawyers and legal advice from Acme, it works so well for Wile E Coyote. 

Yep.  If he'd said "oops" and (like everyone  else) returned the documents fairly promptly instead of lying about how many he had and moving them to various locations to avoid detection, he would never have been charged.  

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20 minutes ago, WVK said:

Trump's penalty could cause NY biz exodus to FL, as New York State becomes 'legal banana republic': experts

that regard, former Bush White House press secretary Ari Fleischer told Fox News the ban may spur Trump to relocate his entire business empire to Florida, just as he has his primary residence.

"If you're Eric [or] Donald Junior, what are you going to do?" he asked.

"[Y]ou just say goodbye to New York, which fits a pattern that many successful people have been doing and leaving New York because New York is just too political, too blue and too punitive – you're seeing that in the business community and among upper income New Yorkers already," he said – adding the state's crime wave accentuates the issue.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/trumps-ny-penalty-cause-biz-exodus-fl-empire-legal-banana-republic-experts

He can move the business headquarters... but he can't work with his businesses in New York.  So no deals, no renting properties, no buying properties, etc, in one of the wealthiest cities on the planet.

In addition, everyone knows what a scoundrel he is -- this is going to affect his ability to get loans... and frankly the income on his properties can't keep up with allthe damage he's doing himself.

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