Kremlin threatens to unleash Armageddon on the West if it loses in Ukraine

[pellinore]

The Kremlin today threatened to fire nuclear missiles on London, Washington, Berlin and Kyiv if Russia is forced to give up the Ukrainian territory it has invaded.

Dmitry Medvedev - a close Putin ally who served as president from 2008 to 2012 - said if a military defeat led to a return to the 1991 frontiers, when the Soviet Union collapsed, Moscow would unleash Armageddon.

'Attempts to return Russia to the borders of 1991 will lead to only one thing,' he said. 'Towards a global war with Western countries using the entire strategic arsenal of our state. In Kyiv, Berlin, London, Washington.'

Kremlin threatens to unleash Armageddon on the West if it loses in Ukraine: Moscow warns it will fire nuclear missiles on London, Washington, Berlin and Kyiv if Russia is forced to give up territory | Daily Mail Online

Edited February 18 by pellinore

[Piney]

Good luck with that!

Idiot. 

[Essan]

1 hour ago, pellinore said:

The Kremlin today threatened to fire nuclear missiles on London

Not again!  

We're still only just recovering from that 1,000ft radioactive tsunami they sent us last year and the year before ......   

[godnodog]

3 hours ago, pellinore said:

The Kremlin today threatened to fire nuclear missiles on London, Washington, Berlin and Kyiv if Russia is forced to give up the Ukrainian territory it has invaded.

Dmitry Medvedev - a close Putin ally who served as president from 2008 to 2012 - said if a military defeat led to a return to the 1991 frontiers, when the Soviet Union collapsed, Moscow would unleash Armageddon.

'Attempts to return Russia to the borders of 1991 will lead to only one thing,' he said. 'Towards a global war with Western countries using the entire strategic arsenal of our state. In Kyiv, Berlin, London, Washington.'

Kremlin threatens to unleash Armageddon on the West if it loses in Ukraine: Moscow warns it will fire nuclear missiles on London, Washington, Berlin and Kyiv if Russia is forced to give up territory | Daily Mail Online

Has Trump reacted? I mean if he wins he has a bigger button?

[OpenMindedSceptic]

He can't even get deep into Ukraine. I wonder how long he really has left in charge of the USSR. I wonder who's next to come along.

[Antigonos]

Khrushchev spouted the same crap about being forced to remove his nuclear missiles from Cuba before JFK essentially told him to **** himself.

Typical old Soviet bullying tactics.

[Duke Wellington]

On 2/18/2024 at 4:34 PM, pellinore said:

The Kremlin today threatened to fire nuclear missiles on London, Washington, Berlin and Kyiv if Russia is forced to give up the Ukrainian territory it has invaded.

Dmitry Medvedev - a close Putin ally who served as president from 2008 to 2012 - said if a military defeat led to a return to the 1991 frontiers, when the Soviet Union collapsed, Moscow would unleash Armageddon.

'Attempts to return Russia to the borders of 1991 will lead to only one thing,' he said. 'Towards a global war with Western countries using the entire strategic arsenal of our state. In Kyiv, Berlin, London, Washington.'

Kremlin threatens to unleash Armageddon on the West if it loses in Ukraine: Moscow warns it will fire nuclear missiles on London, Washington, Berlin and Kyiv if Russia is forced to give up territory | Daily Mail Online

The NATO alliance has a flaw in that only three of its members have the nukes.

So, who really believes that when Russia invades the Baltic that we are going to respond with a nuclear exchange to save them?

[jmccr8]

1 hour ago, Electric Scooter said:

The NATO alliance has a flaw in that only three of its members have the nukes.

So, who really believes that when Russia invades the Baltic that we are going to respond with a nuclear exchange to save them?

Huh?

[Duke Wellington]

4 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Huh?

UK PM: I`m just going to ask 30 million of you to sacrifice yourself in a nuclear exchange with Russia.

UK Population: Sod off!!!

[jmccr8]

2 minutes ago, Electric Scooter said:

UK PM: I`m just going to ask 30 million of you to sacrifice yourself in a nuclear exchange with Russia.

UK Population: Sod off!!!

Hi Cookie

The sky is falling saw the moon floating in a lake.

Lol you go to great ends to panic.

[+and-then]

If those weapons are ever used by a non-religious government it will be down to malfunction, miscalculation, or sheer idiocy involving pride.

[jmccr8]

40 minutes ago, and-then said:

If those weapons are ever used by a non-religious government it will be down to malfunction, miscalculation, or sheer idiocy involving pride.

Hi And Then

Could you explain that somewhat as a communist country does not have a religious gov't and actually democratic countries are not religious based if they are a true democracy.

[Duke Wellington]

On 2/18/2024 at 6:18 PM, Essan said:

Not again!  

We're still only just recovering from that 1,000ft radioactive tsunami they sent us last year and the year before ......   

Their obsession with us Angle-Saxons is funny.

At one stage we were being nuked 50 times a day on tv.

[Trelane]

The Russians are stuck in a quagmire in the Ukraine. They haven't been able to unleash a a competent offensive strategy there let alone "armageddon". I highly doubt they have the capability to do it anywhere else. 

[+and-then]

On 2/19/2024 at 5:09 PM, jmccr8 said:

Hi And Then

Could you explain that somewhat as a communist country does not have a religious gov't and actually democratic countries are not religious based if they are a true democracy.

I didn't see this before now.  Sure, I'll try to make myself more clear.  I believe the greatest risk of nukes ever being unleashed will be from a radical religious or theocratic state like Iran or Pakistan or by some fanatical element to which one of those two would present a bomb.

My point was that the only way I could envision a secular government - other than Israel - employing a nuke would be down to malfunction, miscalculation, or sheer idiocy involving pride.

eta:

A good example of miscalculation based on pride - or maybe fear - is what we saw today from Emmanuel Macron.  The man mentioned employing NATO troops on the ground inside Ukraine to support Ukraine if Russia was about to win.  THAT IS INSANITY.  

If NATO wanted to avoid that situation but to prepare to deter Putin in the future, member nations, including the US, should go on a wartime industrial footing.  Instead of sending another 60 billion to Ukraine, send half and spend the other half to create the industrial infrastructure to begin pumping out artillery munitions in the millions, missiles in the tens of thousands, and various other small arms and ancillary equipment required to fight a war like the one we've watched for 2 years in Europe.  Russia began this process a year ago.  They are also conscripting enough troops to double the size of the pre-Ukraine force.  I know that the quality of those troops and the equipment they will receive is sketchy, but as they say, "quantity creates a quality of its own".  

The current plan in Ukraine seems to be to keep giving them just enough to stop Russia, but never enough to win.  We are bleeding Ukraine white.  Eventually, the disparity between their pool of manpower and Russia's human "resources" will inevitably fall in Russia's favor.

Edited February 28 by and-then

[Ajay0]

It is sad that threats of nuclear holocaust is unleashed in the twenty first century when humanity is becoming more united than before due to technology. 

The UN should work on de-escalation of the Ukraine crisis asap. If it cannot do this, it should at least work on  creating contingency measures to aid survivors in the US, Europe and Russia in the even of a nuclear war and holocaust, and providing them with the necessary medical and logistical aid.

[+and-then]

37 minutes ago, Ajay0 said:

If it cannot do this, it should at least work on  creating contingency measures to aid survivors in the US, Europe and Russia in the even of a nuclear war and holocaust, and providing them with the necessary medical and logistical aid.

They would never do that.  If that kind of responsible stewardship was part of their DNA they would have begun building shelters, and sanitation and medical facilities for the mass refugees over the past 4+ months.  They're just like US politicians in our Congress.  Use the misery of the people to cudgel anyone they disagree with...

[Ajay0]

24 minutes ago, and-then said:

They would never do that.  If that kind of responsible stewardship was part of their DNA they would have begun building shelters, and sanitation and medical facilities for the mass refugees over the past 4+ months. 

That could be due to lack of resources for the same.

But preventing conflict and annihilation-scale war only needs sincere and conscientious diplomats to negotiate and ensure a win-win scenario for both sides considering the alternative of a lose-lose scenario, and push some sense into the opposing sides.

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They're just like US politicians in our Congress.  Use the misery of the people to cudgel anyone they disagree with...

 

In the US , the number of homeless people have risen to record levels. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/12/15/homelessness-in-america-grew-2023/71926354007/

https://endhomelessness.org/blog/a-big-year-for-homelessness-the-work-ahead-in-2024/

https://www.governing.com/urban/whats-driving-the-record-number-of-homeless-people

This itself is used as propaganda by nations opposing the US to highlight its failures as a nation.  Rather than building up expensive military alliances to fight other nations thousands of miles away, US can do more for fostering democratic values and freedom by ensuring all its citizens have basic facilities of housing, inexpensive education and health-care as in other welfare states around the world.

Edited February 28 by Ajay0

[Tatetopa]

On 2/27/2024 at 9:30 PM, and-then said:

They would never do that.  If that kind of responsible stewardship was part of their DNA they would have begun building shelters, and sanitation and medical facilities for the mass refugees over the past 4+ months.  They're just like US politicians in our Congress.  Use the misery of the people to cudgel anyone they disagree with...

We do not believe in socialized medicine in the US do we?  The government is not going to start building additional medical facilities. There are no tax dollars set aside for that.  Would not Republicans consider that socialistic waste? Take an honest step back from political flaming.  It is certainly not in Republican DNA to spend money on frivolous social programs to help the poor either.

But, there are already community hospitals spread across the US. I am sure in event of war, they  would waive insurance and treat all community survivors for free. 

During the Cold War, it was up to individual families to provide their own food stocks, water, and shelters.  As a kid, I can remember our own boxes of distilled water , spam and other emergency  food, plus first aid kit.   Some people still do prepare for emergencies.

In fact, we face natural disasters numerous times every year that produce evacuations, injuries, some deaths, and immense property damage.  We have FEMA and other agencies to provide emergency response. More importantly, most communities already have a network of volunteers, with equipment like portable generators, chain saws, rescue tools, emergency supplies as well as stocks of food and water. This is vital because it will be local communities not a central government that can be first on  the scene and provide immediate assistance.  It is folly for individuals and communities to sit back  and depend on a central government.  Anyway, a war is designed to destroy the central government is it not? 

I bet like many of the rest of us, you have showed up to chainsaw trees off a road or fill sandbags   Even my 25 year old niece was able to organize a  local volunteer group with horse trailers and trucks to evacuate  trapped stock from southern Oregon fires.  She had no special  qualifications or experience other than a horse a trailer, and a job as a vet tech to get the contact list started to for calling possible volunteers.  

In any case, whether war or natural disaster, its a good idea to search out local community help organizations before the need arises.   Even retirees like me can be useful on some jobs.  Better to rely on your neighbors and people you know that strangers 1000 miles away.  

[Duke Wellington]

On 2/28/2024 at 5:30 AM, and-then said:

They would never do that.  If that kind of responsible stewardship was part of their DNA they would have begun building shelters, and sanitation and medical facilities for the mass refugees over the past 4+ months.  They're just like US politicians in our Congress.  Use the misery of the people to cudgel anyone they disagree with...

This is actually something Russia have prepared for and they believe they can achieve a survivor rate of 95% in a full scale nuclear war.

Its us Brits, Americans, and the French, who have let our nuclear fallout shelters fall into disuse. I couldn`t even tell you where mine is, if it exists, which I don`t think it does (sobs). 

By my calculations my area will get hit by 7-12 MIRVs depending if they go for the civilian population too. I`ve no chance, if the blasts don`t get me I suspect I`d suffocate in the firestorm. My plan (if I have the time) is to take the manhole cover off and jump down into the sewers.

[Tatetopa]

15 minutes ago, Electric Scooter said:

This is actually something Russia have prepared for and they believe they can achieve a survivor rate of 95% in a full scale nuclear war.

Its us Brits, Americans, and the French, who have let our nuclear fallout shelters fall into disuse. I couldn`t even tell you where mine is, if it exists, which I don`t think it does (sobs). 

By my calculations my area will get hit by 7-12 MIRVs depending if they go for the civilian population too. I`ve no chance, if the blasts don`t get me I suspect I`d suffocate in the firestorm. My plan (if I have the time) is to take the manhole cover off and jump down into the sewers.

Russia can't keep heat in Moscow apartments in below zero weather.  What chance do you think any fallout shelter is still functional?

[DarkHunter]

25 minutes ago, Electric Scooter said:

This is actually something Russia have prepared for and they believe they can achieve a survivor rate of 95% in a full scale nuclear war.

Its us Brits, Americans, and the French, who have let our nuclear fallout shelters fall into disuse. I couldn`t even tell you where mine is, if it exists, which I don`t think it does (sobs). 

By my calculations my area will get hit by 7-12 MIRVs depending if they go for the civilian population too. I`ve no chance, if the blasts don`t get me I suspect I`d suffocate in the firestorm. My plan (if I have the time) is to take the manhole cover off and jump down into the sewers.

Where is your proof of any of these claims, specifically the 95% survival and thar your area will get hit by 7 to 12 MIRVs, seems like you are just making stuff up as you usually do

[Duke Wellington]

7 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

Russia can't keep heat in Moscow apartments in below zero weather.  What chance do you think any fallout shelter is still functional?

Evidence please.

[Tatetopa]

2 hours ago, Electric Scooter said:

Evidence please.

https://www.dw.com/en/why-are-many-russians-freezing-in-their-homes-this-winter/a-68025856

Why are many Russians freezing in their homes this winter?  Darko Janjevic   01/18/2024January 18, 2024  Russia boasts a massive energy infrastructure, but a recent wave of heating system breakdowns in Moscow and beyond has left many residents scrambling to keep harsh winter temperatures outside.

https://eng.obozrevatel.com/section-news/news-all-money-went-to-war-heating-systems-are-failing-in-russian-cities-en-masse-locals-are-building-bonfires-to-warm-themselves-photos-10-01-2024.html

All money went to war: heating systems in Russian cities are failing en masse, locals are building bonfires to warm themselves. Photos

Residents of the Eastern District recorded videos with complaints in despair. People were lighting bonfires in the yards of high-rise buildings to keep warm. One of the pickets was held right next to the fire.

"The temperature in the apartments is from 8 to 16 degrees Celsius in different buildings, the temperature does not correspond to the proper one. It is impossible to stay in the houses! We are freezing!" the Russians said.

Residents of Beloozersk near Moscow are also suffering from the deterioration of the housing and communal services: a local group posted a video with the words, "SOS! We are freezing".

"The Moscow region continues to freeze, the housing and utilities system has collapsed," wrote one of the Russian Telegram channels.

 

[WVK]

On 3/1/2024 at 12:41 AM, Electric Scooter said:

This is actually something Russia have prepared for and they believe they can achieve a survivor rate of 95% in a full scale nuclear war.

Its us Brits, Americans, and the French, who have let our nuclear fallout shelters fall into disuse. I couldn`t even tell you where mine is, if it exists, which I don`t think it does (sobs). 

By my calculations my area will get hit by 7-12 MIRVs depending if they go for the civilian population too. I`ve no chance, if the blasts don`t get me I suspect I`d suffocate in the firestorm. My plan (if I have the time) is to take the manhole cover off and jump down into the sewers.