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Why America hates its children

Every country has its share of adults who pose a threat to children. But the difference in how America treats its kids goes far beyond the "it takes a village" attitude that prevails in countries like Greece. Virtually every other industrialized nation provides more government aid for their children than America does. Of the 38 countries that belong to the leading Western trade alliance, the US ranks No. 32 in spending on early childhood.

https://www.businessinsider.com/why-america-hates-its-children-parenting-expensive-childcare-schools-kids-2024-1

Some stats: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/child-health.htm

NOTE: It's not my intent to turn this discussion into a US-bashing party. I'm particularly interested in comments from our American members, not just on the subject of childcare, but also on universal healthcare, price controls on the costs of pharmaceuticals, and other social programs. I have seen countless interviews where US citizens decry such programs because... socialism. Are some Americans that brainwashed? I cannot even begin to understand why people are not up in arms about the lack of affordable healthcare, affordable childcare. affordable education, etc. Why is that?

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Interesting clip where Carl Sagan is asked if he is a socialist. His reply is worth listening to:

 

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26 minutes ago, Piney said:

A township fire department and rescue squad is socialism. So they can shut the **** up. 

The drug industry is off the hook here. Gouging, advertising and many other practices not allowed in Europe.

Childcare is a private industry but "welfare profits" in the case of poorer areas and the daycare in poor areas are under regulated **** holes. 

Local school systems are entrenched bureaucracies with a spoils system who don't want to pay for better teachers.

Fire departments, yes. Also police services, public schools, public parks, public roads, public libraries, etc.

All democratic societies, including the US, have a mixed economy (capitalism and socialism). It does not have to be, as some might think, one of the other. What will it ultimately take for the US to realize that some market forces are insufficient for protecting the well being of their people? Healthcare for example. In Canada it is considered a right of citizenship where every citizen is guaranteed access to healthcare that is free at the point of service. We shudder at stories of Americans being financially ruined because of healthcare costs.

As far as children in Canada are concerned, families have access to free healthcare, paid parental leave, child benefits, generous tax deductions, as well as free medical and eyeglass prescription coverage. Yet in spite of all this, we too, need to improve our childcare support services. Our children may be better off than their US counterparts, but not by much.

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14 minutes ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

A friend of mine in the US (who's a single mother) has a disabled son whose monthly medical costs run approximately $5,000. That's $60,000 per year, in spite of her supposedly great insurance plan. During the day she has a high-powered government job, in the evenings she cleans offices for the much needed extra cash. In Canada, her son's medical costs and prescriptions would cost her $0 Stories like these are heartbreaking.

I know. I had a friend who owned a HVAC business that was in the same boat until his son finally passed.

14 minutes ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

Why would anyone even think about doing something like that? For some kids, the meals at school are the only meals they get.

Evil ****s is why. "Stupid evil" who pretend to be a moral compass.

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4 hours ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

Are some Americans that brainwashed?

Yes.

This is mostly the doing of corporations which are not interested in things like freedom and treating people decently.

Under the Thirteenth Amendment, child abuse could be held to constitute slavery and the offender locked up for decades (not just years), but do we do it?

Corporations don't like this because:  under Citizens United, the Supreme Court ruled that corporations are people.  If that is true, then one corporation cannot own another, because that is slavery.  A person cannot own stock, because that is slavery.  A corporation (or its stock) cannot be sold because that is slavery.  The solution:  corporations are NOT people.  The Supreme Court made a mistake.

We need to make the Thirteenth and Fourteenth Amendments do what they purport to do.  Then maybe, we can use them to protect our people.

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3 hours ago, Piney said:

A township fire department and rescue squad is socialism. So they can shut the **** up. 

The drug industry is off the hook here. Gouging, advertising and many other practices not allowed in Europe.

Childcare is a private industry but "welfare profits" in the case of poorer areas and the daycare in poor areas are under regulated **** holes. 

Local school systems are entrenched bureaucracies with a spoils system who don't want to pay for better teachers. 

 

 

Yep, what he said.  

It is a country run by soulless corporations and each state probably has one program that is better than other states, for example in New Mexico it is easier for elderly and children to get medicaid to help with medical care, however the process to get into any medicaid program is a 3 month process.   All children of parents considered above the poverty line (income under 50,000 a year) can get medicaid but it is not advertised so a lot of parents don't apply for it for their kids, just go into debt to keep them healthy.   It seems in other states medicaid money is allocated differently, just like the federal money for schools (which is a small percentage of the money schools need).    

Everyone screams about taxes and votes against anything that would help everyone, including the poor.   And the advertising against a lot of the bond issues is paid for by big money, there is very littel advertising for bond issues.   

As far as I can tell, the chemical/pharma companies (who also own the processed food companies), the oil companies are in charge of almost everything.   The only vote we reallly have is the way we spend our money.

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30 minutes ago, Hawken said:

Speaking of the drug industry. They advertise the hell out of drugs on tv. Half of the ad is naming all the side effects, while playing upbeat music. :wacko:

Not to mention, you can't just go buy those drugs advertised, you have to get a prescription from a doctor.   It seems there must be an epidemic of some very difficult illnesses, that used to be rare 40 years ago.    And I noticed some drugs are sold for multiple types of illness.

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45 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

The only vote we reallly have is the way we spend our money.

The other vote you have is to perhaps put the right people in positions of power and influence. It would also be nice if political parties agreed that some things were non-debatable. Ideally things like healthcare, dental care, abortion rights, etc... oh and free lunches for kids!

 

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2 minutes ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

I know that Canada does not allow direct-to-consumer prescription drug advertisements, but checked to see what countries do permit is, and it turns out it's just the United States and New Zealand. Such advertising is banned pretty much everywhere else in the world.

I'm convinced pharma is run by sociopaths. No one with any kind of conscience would be so indifferent to human suffering.

Insulin, a medication that has come to embody pharma's cruelty, is a good example of skyrocketing prices that are literally killing people who cannot afford such astronomical sums. I read somewhere that insulin can cost up to as much as $18,000 per year for some individuals. It's insane.

Does no one have the courage to stand up to the pharmaceutical industry and say enough is enough?

I wonder if Big Pharma isn't trying to get people hooked on meds for profit. Some of these "alleged" diseases I never heard of. Such as Tardive Dyskinesia.

It's caused by long term use of psychiatric drugs. So, they came out with a drug called Ingrezza I see on tv to counter the side effects. The irony is the drug

has its own side effects as well. Take a drug to counter a drug. :wacko:

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13 minutes ago, Hawken said:

I wonder if Big Pharma isn't trying to get people hooked on meds for profit. Some of these "alleged" diseases I never heard of. Such as Tardive Dyskinesia.

It's caused by long term use of psychiatric drugs. So, they came out with a drug called Ingrezza I see on tv to counter the side effects. The irony is the drug

has its own side effects as well. Take a drug to counter a drug. :wacko:

The opioid epidemic alone would suggest as much. Oh and wasn't some pharma company charged a few years ago for selling opioid products to healthcare providers knowing that they would be diverted to abusers? I'll look it up.

ETA: Found it: https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/purdue-opioid-epidemic-guilty-1.5814318

From the article cited above:

Purdue Pharma pleaded guilty to three criminal charges, formally admitting its role in an opioid epidemic that has contributed to hundreds of thousands of deaths over the past two decades.

In a virtual hearing with a federal judge in Newark, N.J., the OxyContin maker admitted impeding the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration's efforts to combat the addiction crisis.

Purdue also acknowledged that it had not maintained an effective program to prevent prescription drugs from being diverted to the black market, even though it had told the DEA it did have such a program, and that it provided misleading information to the agency as a way to boost company manufacturing quotas.

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17 minutes ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

The other vote you have is to perhaps put the right people in positions of power and influence. It would also be nice if political parties agreed that some things were non-debatable. Ideally things like healthcare, dental care, abortion rights, etc... oh and free lunches for kids!

 

As long as the democrat and republican parties control our elections, that is not a choice we have.   About 60% of people in the U.S. claim to be independent, but not all of those people vote, and sometimes they don't have anyone to vote for, the two parties have illegal control of our elections.

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5 hours ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

Why America hates its children

Every country has its share of adults who pose a threat to children. But the difference in how America treats its kids goes far beyond the "it takes a village" attitude that prevails in countries like Greece. Virtually every other industrialized nation provides more government aid for their children than America does. Of the 38 countries that belong to the leading Western trade alliance, the US ranks No. 32 in spending on early childhood.

https://www.businessinsider.com/why-america-hates-its-children-parenting-expensive-childcare-schools-kids-2024-1

Some stats: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/child-health.htm

NOTE: It's not my intent to turn this discussion into a US-bashing party. I'm particularly interested in comments from our American members, not just on the subject of childcare, but also on universal healthcare, price controls on the costs of pharmaceuticals, and other social programs. I have seen countless interviews where US citizens decry such programs because... socialism. Are some Americans that brainwashed? I cannot even begin to understand why people are not up in arms about the lack of affordable healthcare, affordable childcare. affordable education, etc. Why is that?

I`m against socialism but yes the young should be supported by the state.

They are not of an age they can earn, their wellbeing is wrongly dependent on the earnings of the parents, the state needs to take the lead in giving the young a good start in life. When they reach adulthood it only pays dividends.

It should be a focus on capitalism but with adequate social safeguards.

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5 hours ago, Piney said:

A township fire department and rescue squad is socialism.

 

4 hours ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

Fire departments, yes. Also police services, public schools, public parks, public roads, public libraries, etc.

No.  Social services.  

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so·cial·ism

/ˈsōSHəˌliz(ə)m/

noun

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

As long as the democrat and republican parties control our elections, that is not a choice we have.   About 60% of people in the U.S. claim to be independent, but not all of those people vote, and sometimes they don't have anyone to vote for, the two parties have illegal control of our elections.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that the biggest problem is the left-right polarization in your country. In Canada such polarization is significantly less pronounced and the convergence between left and right has led to some meaningful joint ventures of benefit to the Canadian public.

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It's very interesting.  I would suggest that having the worlds most powerful military comes at a price, both in terms of GDP, and also in cultural terms as well.  I am also shocked at the standard practices of taking holiday leave in the states as well.  I have a friend from Colorado who was horrified and very jealous to find out my work gave me over 30 days paid leave a year.

Culturally, it's very interesting the gaping differences in countries you might have thought were quite well alligned. 

 

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4 minutes ago, OverSword said:

No.  Social services.  

Yes you're correct.

Socialism has become a loaded word and its meaning conflated, hence why some of these services are perceived as such.

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17 minutes ago, Electric Scooter said:

I`m against socialism but yes the young should be supported by the state.

They are not of an age they can earn, their wellbeing is wrongly dependent on the earnings of the parents, the state needs to take the lead in giving the young a good start in life. When they reach adulthood it only pays dividends.

It should be a focus on capitalism but with adequate social safeguards.

What in your opinion should these 'social safeguards' include?

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A lot to unpack...

Healthcare in the US is messed up because we don't truly have a free market. Most of the issues in healthcare are due to regulations that prevent a robust free market. 

Healthcare in the US isn't great for routine care due to cost and bureaucracy, but if you are severely ill, the US is the best place to be.  You may be broke, but you'll be alive.

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22 minutes ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

What in your opinion should these 'social safeguards' include?

The state needs to ensure they go through proper psychological development, are socialised properly, are fed, clothed, other items they need they have, have access to healthcare and that they have a good standard of education.

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1 hour ago, Desertrat56 said:

Not to mention, you can't just go buy those drugs advertised, you have to get a prescription from a doctor.   It seems there must be an epidemic of some very difficult illnesses, that used to be rare 40 years ago.    And I noticed some drugs are sold for multiple types of illness.

That is why the drug companies invest so much into sending stuff to the doctors.   Send them to a conference in Palm Springs, all expenses paid, great golfing and an 8 hour seminar on the drug.  

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