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Google to fix AI picture bot after 'woke' criticism


Michelle

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Google is racing to fix its new AI-powered tool for creating pictures, after claims it was over-correcting against the risk of being racist.

Users said the firm's Gemini bot supplied images depicting a variety of genders and ethnicities even when doing so was historically inaccurate.

For example, a prompt seeking images of America's founding fathers turned up women and people of colour.

The company said its tool was "missing the mark".

"Gemini's AI image generation does generate a wide range of people. And that's generally a good thing because people around the world use it. But it's missing the mark here," said Jack Krawczyk, senior director for Gemini Experiences.

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Google to fix AI picture bot after 'woke' criticism (bbc.com)

Google apologizes after new Gemini AI refuses to show pictures, achievements of White people

Gemini's senior director of product management told Fox News Digital it is working to improve the AI 'immediately'

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Google apologizes after new Gemini AI refuses to show pictures, achievements of White people | Fox Business

This is what I've been saying. AI doesn't bother me, the programmers are another story.

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Well of course, they look for racism around every corner. And if they can't find it, they create it. :wacko:

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8 minutes ago, Hawken said:

Well of course, they look for racism around every corner. And if they can't find it, they create it. :wacko:

They should ask the AI bot to explain how Thomas Jefferson could proclaim " All men are created equal" and yet own 600 slaves as his property. It would blow a fuse.

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1 hour ago, Michelle said:

Google is racing to fix its new AI-powered tool for creating pictures, after claims it was over-correcting against the risk of being racist.

Since Mississippi only abolished slavery in 2013, I can see there may be a tendency to overcorrect.

After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slavery - CBS News

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22 minutes ago, pellinore said:

They should ask the AI bot to explain how Thomas Jefferson could proclaim " All men are created equal" and yet own 600 slaves as his property. It would blow a fuse.

Slavery still goes on today in Muslim countries and China. Muslims treat their women like livestock and the CCP has the Uyghur people in bondage.

So why is slavery still a thing in the US when it was abolished over 150 years ago?

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26 minutes ago, Hawken said:

Slavery still goes on today in Muslim countries and China. Muslims treat their women like livestock and the CCP has the Uyghur people in bondage.

So why is slavery still a thing in the US when it was abolished over 150 years ago?

I was shocked to find that slavery is still going on in the UK today. 'Modern slavery' is on the rise. Modern slavery in the UK - Office for National Statistics (ons.gov.uk)

Like piracy, it isn't historical, it is a permanent feature of life, it seems.

 

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29 minutes ago, Hawken said:

Slavery still goes on today in Muslim countries and China. Muslims treat their women like livestock and the CCP has the Uyghur people in bondage.

So why is slavery still a thing in the US when it was abolished over 150 years ago?

Slavery is still allowed in the prison system in the US, as outlined in the 13th amendment. That's why its such a huge industry and our legal system is broken as ****.

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7 minutes ago, Occupational Hubris said:

Slavery is still allowed in the prison system in the US, as outlined in the 13th amendment. That's why its such a huge industry and our legal system is broken as ****.

Well. I wouldn't want to be a woman living in Iran or Pakistan. I couldn't go anywhere without a male escort and always have to wear a veil.

And if raped, I would have to prove I resisted enough or get stoned to death. No victim card there.

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5 minutes ago, Hawken said:

Well. I wouldn't want to be a woman living in Iran or Pakistan. I couldn't go anywhere without a male escort and always have to wear a veil.

And if raped, I would have to prove I resisted enough or get stoned to death. No victim card there.

Okay. And? I was referring to slavery in America, which was not fully abolished over 150 years ago, as you suggested. 

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15 minutes ago, Occupational Hubris said:

Okay. And? I was referring to slavery in America, which was not fully abolished over 150 years ago, as you suggested. 

The last I checked, almost 2 million black Americans out of a 12% population are millionaires. Do slaves have that much money?

Or are you just parroting what the corporate media tells you?

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Just now, Hawken said:

The last I checked, almost 2 million black Americans out of a 12% population are millionaires. Do slaves have that much money?

Or are you just parroting what the corporate media tells you?

The **** are you on about? I very clearly referenced the fact that slavery is still legal in prison as literally spelled out in the 13th amendment,. This conversation would make sense if you responded to what was actually said. 

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22 minutes ago, Occupational Hubris said:

The **** are you on about? I very clearly referenced the fact that slavery is still legal in prison as literally spelled out in the 13th amendment,. This conversation would make sense if you responded to what was actually said. 

Well gee, I thought prison is where someone goes when they break the law. If I robbed a bank or murdered someone, that's where I'll end up.

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7 hours ago, pellinore said:

They should ask the AI bot to explain how Thomas Jefferson could proclaim " All men are created equal" and yet own 600 slaves as his property. It would blow a fuse.

It was on these contradictions that the US Civil War was built, and Jefferson himself knew it.  The younger Jefferson was anti-slavery, and it almost cost him his fortune, his position in US politics, and in many ways damaged his psyche.  I think Jefferson came to regard himself as a hypocrite, but he had to choose between wealth and power and poverty and obscurity, so he chose the former, but it never sat well with him.  His position hardened in later life, and he apparently became increasingly pro-slavery, but then many people become more cantankerous and obnoxious as they age, myself included.

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2 hours ago, Alchopwn said:

It was on these contradictions that the US Civil War was built, and Jefferson himself knew it.  The younger Jefferson was anti-slavery, and it almost cost him his fortune, his position in US politics, and in many ways damaged his psyche.  I think Jefferson came to regard himself as a hypocrite, but he had to choose between wealth and power and poverty and obscurity, so he chose the former, but it never sat well with him.  His position hardened in later life, and he apparently became increasingly pro-slavery, but then many people become more cantankerous and obnoxious as they age, myself included.

Do you not think it might just be that slavery was accepted? Like the Greek fella who wrote Utopia- slavery was accepted as the norm in Ancient Greece, so he kind of overlooked it. I think Jefferson may have been referring to Peoples or Nations when he said people were born free.

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17 hours ago, pellinore said:

Since Mississippi only abolished slavery in 2013, I can see there may be a tendency to overcorrect.

After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slavery - CBS News

So it's okay to change history and eliminate white people from it?

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What version of Windows are you using, 10 or11?   Is it perfect now?

I don't know any more about this than you do, but I do wonder if it is another attempt to keep us angry, afraid and each other's throats.

Is is possible that the programmers just f**up and didn't get everything right? Now they will fix it and maybe screw something else up.  I expect what they are trying to do is a lot more complex than Windows 10.

Do you think they should just stick with dog and paper clips with eyes or can we just take a breath and get on with life without having Google ruin our day.?

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8 hours ago, pellinore said:

Do you not think it might just be that slavery was accepted? Like the Greek fella who wrote Utopia- slavery was accepted as the norm in Ancient Greece, so he kind of overlooked it. I think Jefferson may have been referring to Peoples or Nations when he said people were born free.

i don't think there's any escaping the hypocrisy, as jefferson himself would admit. 'born free' is more a philosophical basis upon which to design a society/government. just like we might say everyone should make a livable wage, but we buy cheap products made and serviced by those who do not make livable wages, and would stop supporting some of those industries if they became too expensive. then to complicate things, some of those people are worse off if we do not pay them less than livable wage, because the alternative is no wage. i think hypocrisy is more innate to the human condition than slavery or any other singular form of injustice. therefore, we shouldn't expect avoidance of hypocrisy to prevent our failures, founder of a nation or not.

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9 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Is is possible that the programmers just f**up and didn't get everything right? Now they will fix it and maybe screw something else up.  I expect what they are trying to do is a lot more complex than Windows 10.

I believe it was intentional. Someone went out of their way to make all of the Founding Fathers black. That is not something caused by a glitch because there are no historical pictures of them depicted as such for a computer to pull from. They had to be photoshopped.

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16 minutes ago, Michelle said:

I believe it was intentional. Someone went out of their way to make all of the Founding Fathers black. That is not something caused by a glitch because there are no historical pictures of them depicted as such for a computer to pull from. They had to be photoshopped.

IS that picture available, maybe I haven't delved deeply enough. 

So some smarmy little punk at Google pranked millions and flooded the internet with backlash and gallons of adrenalin and rage and uncertainty and self doubt and fear of replacement?  That kid is on to something.  Even if he is fired, he got a bang for his buck.:devil:

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2 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

So some smarmy little punk at Google pranked millions and flooded the internet with backlash and gallons of adrenalin and rage and uncertainty and self doubt and fear of replacement?  That kid is on to something.  Even if he is fired, he got a bang for his buck

Where did you get all that? :huh: People are just being warned to take the information from these things with a grain of salt. Like most news and wiki it will most certainly have left leaning information due to unscrupulous or uninformed employees input.

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1 hour ago, Michelle said:

So it's okay to change history and eliminate white people from it?

We had an African Queen Charlotte, a West Indian Lord Halifax, plus numerous black aristocrats in Bridgerton, so you lot are getting off quite lightly with just a photo.

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1 hour ago, Michelle said:

I believe it was intentional. Someone went out of their way to make all of the Founding Fathers black. That is not something caused by a glitch because there are no historical pictures of them depicted as such for a computer to pull from. They had to be photoshopped.

this went beyond pictures of founding fathers. people tried to get it to depict white people in a variety of contexts and it didn't, instead explaining that diversity and inclusion were important. i think what is likely is that it was trained to value diversity and inclusion far too much (oh no, is that possible?!!). it should highlight that this failure mirrors the overvaluation that many humans have placed on certain things that should not necessarily be prioritized. if you can't get factual information because you've prioritized some ideal, it's time to dial back the ideal in favor of reality. modern society can learn from this if they are willing. AI will probably learn sooner or later anyway and eventually enforce it if we don't.

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Would it really matter if schoolbooks showed pictures of the lunar astronauts, Tesla, Edison, etc, as Afro-Caribbean or Asian as well as White? After all, they are all Americans and the important things are what they achieved, not what ethnicity they were. If AI churned out these sorts of images randomly, it might help with integration in the future.

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19 minutes ago, pellinore said:

Would it really matter if schoolbooks showed pictures of the lunar astronauts, Tesla, Edison, etc, as Afro-Caribbean or Asian as well as White? After all, they are all Americans and the important things are what they achieved, not what ethnicity they were. If AI churned out these sorts of images randomly, it might help with integration in the future.

google is also taking heat for showing nazis as being racially diverse (not white). i think sometimes it is relevant to portray accurate racial characteristics, and perhaps less frequently it is important to do so. either way, it is not an accident and therefore intentional errors should be prevented. that is the whole point of training AI.

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1 hour ago, Michelle said:

Where did you get all that? :huh: People are just being warned to take the information from these things with a grain of salt. Like most news and wiki it will most certainly have left leaning information due to unscrupulous or uninformed employees input.

Do people normally flip out about racism because somebody warns them to take it with a grain of salt?  That is good advice if it was the point.  Maybe it wasn't a liberal plot to accuse conservatives of racism. after all?

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