New Canadian 'online harms' bill to make online hate punishable up to life in prison

[psyche101]

On 3/9/2024 at 1:54 AM, OverSword said:

There is.

No there isn't. 

Both are doing better their way. Both places are safer and more free. 

[+OverSword]

16 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

No there isn't. 

Both are doing better their way. Both places are safer and more free. 

Ultimately less free as such laws curbing free speech are inevitably applied in wider and wider manners. Give an inch and eventually a mile is taken. 
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-for-offensive-facebook-and-twitter-posts-soar-in-london-a7064246.html

[psyche101]

12 minutes ago, OverSword said:

You are conflating vax conspiracies with bullying.

In many cases that's what happened. People who were just doing the right thing were ridiculed and belittled. By politically orientated idiots. 

12 minutes ago, OverSword said:

You always reach for extremes and try to use the death of children as an emotional lever so nothing new. 🥱

Like I say, it just makes you a little less human. I didn't say anything else. You don't have that lever because you are broken. Normal people lament the death of a child. It seems to irk you that happens. That's definitely a you problem. Combine that with your efforts to elevate the worst elements of society and it's a threat to any working community. I'm surprised someone hasn't pulled you up and given you a shake up.

[psyche101]

15 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Ultimately less free as such laws curbing free speech are inevitably applied in wider and wider manners. Give an inch and eventually a mile is taken. 
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-for-offensive-facebook-and-twitter-posts-soar-in-london-a7064246.html

From your link.

 

The legislation has been used to arrest Twitter users responsible for racist hate speech. According to Vocativ, among many recently arrested was a Scottish citizen who had posted hate speech about Syrian refugees on his Facebook page.

 

You are trying to give hate the mile before the inch. 

I have no idea why you think other people would also support such a self defeating ideology. The people arrested deserve it. You're lawless ideology is great for criminals and bad for the average person. You are not advocating free speech, you are advocating criminal behaviour. 

[Hankenhunter]

On 3/7/2024 at 7:55 AM, OverSword said:

You could stand on a busy street in Sydney and scream at the top of your lungs  "ALL WHITE COLONIST TRASH SHOULD BE MURDERED ALONG WITH THEIR CHILDREN!!!" and not a damn thing would happen to you.

Except for the ass kicking you'd get. Consequences. You can be taken to task in public spaces. Online, you're just another coward.

[Hankenhunter]

On 3/7/2024 at 7:45 PM, psyche101 said:

Sounds like Canada's proposal. If Australia is fine, then there's nothing to worry about eh.

Very close. But you forgot the comma. Moose out front shoulda told you. 😁

 

[itsnotoutthere]

 

[jmccr8]

13 hours ago, OverSword said:

I think infringement on free speech is more dangerous than most other actions that can be taken by government. You don’t have to agree.

Hi OverSword

I speak and interact with Canadians everyday and not once have any of them expressed any concern that they feel their right to speak freely is impinged upon. But I guess all you foreigners know better how oppressed we are or maybe it just makes you feel better to be distracted from your countries problems.

 

[+OverSword]

10 hours ago, psyche101 said:

You are trying to give hate the mile before the inch. 

What is hate speech in this case?  Did he call for the deaths of all Syrians or did he criticize grooming gangs.  The latter seems to attract the wrong kind of attention from English authorities.  I need specifics if I'm going to agree or disagree with something possibly arbitrarily labeled "hate speech"

[+OverSword]

8 hours ago, Hankenhunter said:

Except for the ass kicking you'd get. Consequences. You can be taken to task in public spaces. Online, you're just another coward.

Never said actions didn't have consequences.  Your desperate for arguments if that's where you got to go. 

[Golden Duck]

1 hour ago, OverSword said:

What is hate speech in this case?  Did he call for the deaths of all Syrians or did he criticize grooming gangs.  The latter seems to attract the wrong kind of attention from English authorities.  I need specifics if I'm going to agree or disagree with something possibly arbitrarily labeled "hate speech"

The definition for this topic reads ...

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content that foments hatred means content that expresses detestation or vilification of an individual or group of individuals on the basis of a prohibited ground of discrimination, within the meaning of the Canadian Human Rights Act, and that, given the context in which it is communicated, is likely to foment detestation or vilification of an individual or group of individuals on the basis of such a prohibited ground.‍ (contenu fomentant la haine)

 

[+OverSword]

6 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

The definition for this topic reads ...

 

Edited March 12 by OverSword

[Golden Duck]

56 minutes ago, OverSword said:

The topic is about Bill C-63, isn’t it?

[+OverSword]

3 hours ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi OverSword

I speak and interact with Canadians everyday and not once have any of them expressed any concern that they feel their right to speak freely is impinged upon. But I guess all you foreigners know better how oppressed we are or maybe it just makes you feel better to be distracted from your countries problems.

 

Incredible how delicate some people from our cousin countries are when it's their nations under the spotlight.  They are too delicate to be Americans as they don't seem equipped to take the heat.

Maybe the section should be renamed United States and the Americas, except for Canada.

Edited March 12 by OverSword

[jmccr8]

5 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Incredible how delicate some people from our cousin countries are when it's their nations under the spotlight.  They are too delicate to be Americans as they don't seem equipped to take the heat.

Maybe the section should be renamed United States and the Americas, except for Canada.

Hi OverSword

Thanks for the laugh, I don't feel offended anymore than I do subjected by a tyranical gov't that is trying to silence us. Lol

I find it funny how others have commented is all as I live here and haven't had any of the issues they have spoken of. 

[+OverSword]

9 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi OverSword

Thanks for the laugh, I don't feel offended anymore than I do subjected by a tyranical gov't that is trying to silence us. Lol

I find it funny how others have commented is all as I live here and haven't had any of the issues they have spoken of. 

I should say I don't think this would ever be something that will affect you or most Canadians.  It will certainly affect some at some point and has the potential to be very Orwellian, which is the problem. For myself I don't trust government and especially those driven to run it at it's highest levels any further than I could drop kick them but apparently you do and trust they will not abuse legislation trying to regulate peoples internet posts, which is pretty silly.  Are you one to think that it's okay if they spy on the public because only those with something to hide need to worry about it?  Because that is what this Bill be.  If you read it you will see that it even offers rewards of up to $20k to Canadians that turn their fellows in.  

Tell your MP to stop this dangerous legislation here https://theccf.ca/tell-your-mp-to-stop-bill-c-63/

[jmccr8]

54 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Because that is what this Bill be.  If you read it you will see that it even offers rewards of up to $20k to Canadians that turn their fellows in

Hi OverSword

Back in the days when I sold pot rats were everywhere working deals to keep their own a$$ out of jail by selling someone else. I don't do anything besides work so don't worry about getting busted for something I don't do.

I don't trust govt either but then again they likely don't trust me either given the 20 plus years I fought with them using their own bag of dirty tricks.

Pretty sure they would prefer to pretend I don't exist rather than stir up that hornets nest again. Lol

[glorybebe]

6 hours ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi OverSword

I speak and interact with Canadians everyday and not once have any of them expressed any concern that they feel their right to speak freely is impinged upon. But I guess all you foreigners know better how oppressed we are or maybe it just makes you feel better to be distracted from your countries problems.

 

Well, it depends on who you talk to.  There are a lot of my fellow Canadians who are concerned.   You look at one bill being passed, it may look beneficial, but, put a few together and i wonder what the end goal is.  

[+OverSword]

16 hours ago, psyche101 said:

Like I say, it just makes you a little less human. I didn't say anything else. You don't have that lever because you are broken. Normal people lament the death of a child. It seems to irk you that happens. That's definitely a you problem. Combine that with your efforts to elevate the worst elements of society and it's a threat to any working community. I'm surprised someone hasn't pulled you up and given you a shake up.

 

[jmccr8]

19 minutes ago, glorybebe said:

Well, it depends on who you talk to.  There are a lot of my fellow Canadians who are concerned.   You look at one bill being passed, it may look beneficial, but, put a few together and i wonder what the end goal is.  

Hi Glorybebe

Maybe, all I know is that it hasn't been brought up in any conversations that I have personally had which is how I framed my response. What I do know on a personal level is that no legislation that has been passed during my life has had a negative impact on me.

[A rather obscure Bassoon]

25 minutes ago, glorybebe said:

Well, it depends on who you talk to.  There are a lot of my fellow Canadians who are concerned.   You look at one bill being passed, it may look beneficial, but, put a few together and i wonder what the end goal is.  

I’m not too concerned because Pierre will be kicking this out along with  all the other Lib/NDP baggage and in other good news he said he is going to turn CBC HQ into new Holmes.

[psyche101]

8 hours ago, OverSword said:

What is hate speech in this case?  Did he call for the deaths of all Syrians or did he criticize grooming gangs.  The latter seems to attract the wrong kind of attention from English authorities.  I need specifics if I'm going to agree or disagree with something possibly arbitrarily labeled "hate speech"

He targetted refugees, mostly elderly and female, and specifically singled out a government minister, stating they were IS. 

As a result people were harassed and attacked in the streets. 

 

That piece of human garbage, Tommy Robinson isn't correct about hate gangs, you've been had if you accept that whacko racist ideology. 

Edited March 12 by psyche101

[+OverSword]

11 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

As a result people were harassed and attacked in the streets. 

 

There is the crime.  Arrest them and send them to court.

[psyche101]

6 minutes ago, OverSword said:

There is the crime.  Arrest them and send them to court.

Hang on. Let me get this straight. 

Why do you think it is ok to yell at and verbally abuse the elderly and females in public for no good reason? That's supporting hate is it not? The actions that inspired those to act violently? 

That's the bit you crossed out.

It seems you support people who abuse community tools? 

[+OverSword]

4 hours ago, psyche101 said:

Hang on. Let me get this straight. 

Why do you think it is ok to yell at and verbally abuse the elderly and females in public for no good reason? That's supporting hate is it not? The actions that inspired those to act violently? 

That's the bit you crossed out.

It seems you support people who abuse community tools? 

Exactly what was said?