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100-plus killed as Israeli soldiers open fire on Palestinians waiting for aid: Gaza officials


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More than 100 Palestinians in Gaza City were killed Thursday while trying to get critical humanitarian aid, according to officials in Gaza, who described the incident as a massacre after Israeli forces opened fire on the civilians.

The Hamas-run Palestinian Health Ministry in Gaza said 104 people were killed and more than 700 injured, with the numbers likely to increase.

Pro-Hamas and pro-Iranian media were reporting that Israeli soldiers opened fire on Palestinian civilians on Al-Rashid Street in Gaza City while scrambling to access humanitarian aid.

The Israeli military said in a statement that Gazan residents surrounded trucks and “looted” supplies.

“Dozens were killed and injured from pushing, trampling and being run over by trucks,” Israeli forces said in a statement, though officials said the “incident is under review.”

Israeli officials acknowledged separately to The Associated Press that soldiers opened fire at the crowd, and Palestinian civilians also told the outlet that forces fired into the crowd.

 

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The supplies were for them anyways, right?  "Looting" makes it seem like they were stealing.

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The only explanation that could possibly be acceptable would be if the soldiers distributing the goods were being overwhelmed as a riot was forming to get to the supplies and they opened fire rather than be crushed

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https://news.yahoo.com/more-100-killed-strike-gaza-134219836.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

The Hill article is written carefully to make it sound like the IDF troops opened fire and mowed down over 100 starving people.  This article says some trucks arrived with aid and men opened fire and proceeded to loot them.  The truck drivers tried driving away and between the crush of the crowd, the gunfire, and the truckers trying to escape, a tragedy occurred.

Biden's people have mentioned US aid airdrops.  I say that's the only way for these people to get food and medicine.  Station drones over the drop areas and video the scene.

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1 hour ago, Gromdor said:

The supplies were for them anyways, right?  "Looting" makes it seem like they were stealing.

Unless those doing the looting were Hamas, there are stories of people stealing aid and price gouging their neighbors, selling it to them at massively inflated prices.  Nice, huh?

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6 minutes ago, and-then said:

Unless those doing the looting were Hamas, there are stories of people stealing aid and price gouging their neighbors, selling it to them at massively inflated prices.  Nice, huh?

I guess it doesn't matter since they are dead.  God can sort out who was Hamas or not, right?

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9 minutes ago, and-then said:

https://news.yahoo.com/more-100-killed-strike-gaza-134219836.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

The Hill article is written carefully to make it sound like the IDF troops opened fire and mowed down over 100 starving people.  This article says some trucks arrived with aid and men opened fire and proceeded to loot them.  The truck drivers tried driving away and between the crush of the crowd, the gunfire, and the truckers trying to escape, a tragedy occurred.

Biden's people have mentioned US aid airdrops.  I say that's the only way for these people to get food and medicine.  Station drones over the drop areas and video the scene.

Also The Hill states it's source as pro Hamas and Pro Iranian media.  The USA today article that you linked to sounds more likely to have some details right.

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1 minute ago, Gromdor said:

I guess it doesn't matter since they are dead.  God can sort out who was Hamas or not, right?

Being a smartass, right on cue, eh?  Try reading the article I posted.  Or would you rather just talk smack and make ad homs?

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You starve people, deprive them of basic human needs in a warzone...

you show up with aid and when the people start acting erratically(duh) you open fire and blame it on them. Classy stuff.

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1 minute ago, OverSword said:

Also The Hill states it's source as pro Hamas and Pro Iranian media.  The USA today article that you linked to sounds more likely to have some details right.

It sounds like the trucks were being escorted by IDF and when the crowd crushed in they fired to protect themselves.  There was a separate instance of "men opening fire and looting", and that sounded like a slightly separate location.  It's a bit confusing.  When most of the media jump on the story and try to say IDF troops fired into a crowd and over 100 died, both can be true and not mean the IDF killed 100 people.  Of course, when dealing with those who are quick to believe any kind of evil about Israelis, propaganda isn't difficult to write.

Those 500 Palestinians who were killed when Israel bombed a hospital in the opening days of the war, are still on the fatality list.  About 100 died and there was no Israeli bomb, nor was a hospital bombed.  It was a defective PIJ rocket body that fell into the hospital parking lot.  The media is doing its best to pressure Israel to stop while Hamas is still alive.

FINISH THE JOB, IDF!

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2 minutes ago, joseraul said:

You starve people, deprive them of basic human needs in a warzone...

you show up with aid and when the people start acting erratically(duh) you open fire and blame it on them. Classy stuff.

No more classy than lying about the circumstances.  The thing this time is Israelis no longer give a damn who hates them.  10/7 crossed that line.  I say airdrop supplies in multiple locations all over the north and have loitering drones video who is getting it.  Hell, start dropping food, medicine, and water purification supplies 24/7, and in so many locations that Hamas can't steal it all.

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10 minutes ago, and-then said:

Being a smartass, right on cue, eh?  Try reading the article I posted.  Or would you rather just talk smack and make ad homs?

How is this an ad hominem?

12 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

I guess it doesn't matter since they are dead.  God can sort out who was Hamas or not, right?

An Ad Hominem would be me saying saying something like, "Dang, there isn't a mass murder that goes on that "X" doesn't cheer about!  That guy is a degenerate nutjob!".

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The IDF 15th in the world 24.3$ billion in military spending, the Iron Dome.

169k active duty and 450k reserve personnel... and more and more they show they can't do basic military operations/military strategy without mass casualty and mass destruction and massive civilian death.

Either it's on purpose or they just really suck at war.

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2 hours ago, joseraul said:

The IDF 15th in the world 24.3$ billion in military spending, the Iron Dome.

169k active duty and 450k reserve personnel... and more and more they show they can't do basic military operations/military strategy without mass casualty and mass destruction and massive civilian death.

Either it's on purpose or they just really suck at war.

FINISH THE JOB, IDF.  Let the whiners do what they do.  It's all they CAN DO...

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IDF spokesman: Troops fired warning shots to disperse mob rushing aid convoy, did not carry out strikes

IDF Spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari, speaking in English in an evening press conference, says troops fired warning shots in an attempt to disperse a mob of Palestinians rushing an aid convoy in northern Gaza early this morning, as dozens were killed amid a crowd crush.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-spokesman-troops-fired-warning-shots-to-disperse-mob-rushing-aid-convoy-did-not-carry-out-strikes/

Article includes a clip from an IDF video of the incident.

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Airdrops would keep IDF forces totally out of the picture for Hamas to lie about.   

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US blocks Security Council motion blaming Israel for deadly Gaza aid convoy incident

Amid American opposition, Arab nations failed Thursday overnight to get immediate support for a UN Security Council statement that would have blamed Israeli forces for the more than 100 reported deaths as Palestinians in northern Gaza swarmed an aid convoy.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-blocks-security-council-motion-blaming-israel-for-deadly-gaza-aid-convoy-incident/

The US blocked the motion arguing that the facts were not yet clear. The IDF states it did not fire at the crowd rushing the main aid convoy, but did acknowledge that its troops opened fire on several Gazans who moved toward soldiers and a tank at an IDF checkpoint, endangering them. It's also arguing that most people had been killed in a stampede and asserted that fewer than 10 of the casualties were a result of Israeli fire.

All investigators have to do is review video footage and examine bodies to determine what happened.

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Imho, the deaths could be due to the stampede in the rush for aid packets, not due to firing.   Palestinian volunteers should work on crowd control and discipline so that such issues can be avoided. This will also ensure that each and everyone gets the required supplies. 

Also the Israelis hopefully are using blanks or rubber bullets or other non-lethal devices to disperse any unruly crowds. 

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16 minutes ago, Ajay0 said:

Also the Israelis hopefully are using blanks or rubber bullets or other non-lethal devices to disperse any unruly crowds. 

Non-lethal methods are often used, but blanks and rubber bullets are not likely given that Israeli soldiers are targets.

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5 hours ago, Ajay0 said:

Imho, the deaths could be due to the stampede in the rush for aid packets, not due to firing.   Palestinian volunteers should work on crowd control and discipline so that such issues can be avoided. This will also ensure that each and everyone gets the required supplies. 

Also the Israelis hopefully are using blanks or rubber bullets or other non-lethal devices to disperse any unruly crowds. 

That's the point.. they're basically starved/sleep deprived POW's.. and there are a LOT of them. Inhumane. The whole thing speaks on their desperation.

Asking them to get 'crowd control' is tone deaf in the context of their scenario.

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10 hours ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

All investigators have to do is review video footage and examine bodies to determine what happened.

This is just another Al-Ahli al-Arabi Hospital propaganda piece.  The numbers were instantly known, and no one waited to see how accurate it was.  It's what I've come to expect of an Israel-hating media.  Those "500 dead" that were counted in less than 15 minutes after an "Israeli bomb destroyed a hospital" turned out to be fewer than 100 and caused by a PIJ rocket that fell short into a parking lot.  The thing is, NO ONE EVER REMOVED THAT 500 from the fatality count.

Let the US be the UN's air force and drop aid all over the strip.  Make it harder for the Hamas demons to steal all of it and keep any troops from being involved at all.  Let's watch and see how they treat each other with their "brotherly Arab" instincts, shall we?

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I was just listening to a news piece on YT and heard a point made that hadn't occurred to my slow brain.  In looking at the only videos available, if the IDF opened fire and killed 100 Gazans - the main media claim - why do we see none of them fleeing the gunfire?  Are we supposed to believe they are so starved they no longer have a self-preservation instinct?  Maybe the video was taken before the "massacre"?  I'm happy to see that Biden's people have decided to send airdropped aid.  

https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-announces-us-airdrops-humanitarian-193620018.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

Note that these pieces are written so as to condemn Israel for the necessity of even doing aid this way.  Once the aid begins flowing they'll be sure to point out every injury Palestinians suffer was a result of running under falling pallets or stampeding the aid scene.  IOW, they'll continue to push hatred of Israel at every possible turn.  Fortunately THIS TIME the IDF looks to be determined to finish Hamas, regardless of who condemns them. :gun::tu:

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15 hours ago, joseraul said:

That's the point.. they're basically starved/sleep deprived POW's.. and there are a LOT of them. Inhumane. The whole thing speaks on their desperation.

Asking them to get 'crowd control' is tone deaf in the context of their scenario.

I think if there are problems with manpower allocation due to the ongoing war, UN personnel from neutral countries should be deployed to prevent such issues. A mechanism can also be created to ensure aid for Palestinian civilians and not  Hamas militants ( who have not surrendered).

These unnecessary avoidable deaths only serve to exacerbate existing social fissures and serve as fuel for future conflicts. 

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7 hours ago, Ajay0 said:

These unnecessary avoidable deaths only serve to exacerbate existing social fissures and serve as fuel for future conflicts.

The future is determined by the education given to Palestinian children at home, in schools, and in mosques.  Most of the world hates the Jews and their nation.  This war just makes them more willing to show the truth of their beliefs.  Israel's response to 10/7 gave them license to openly engage in their libels and Jew hatred.  Always remember that there was a ceasefire on the morning of 10/7 and it wasn't Israel that broke it by slaughtering Palestinians in heinous ways.  FINISH THE JOB, IDF!

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