Food trade bodies consider legal action over post-Brexit ‘not for EU’ labelling

[itsnotoutthere]

16 hours ago, pellinore said:

The only time I will buy food labelled "Not for EU" will be for my dog (and even then, I will worry a bit, as she is the love of my life). You Brexiters can enjoy your sovereignty and condemned meat as much as you like!

You do know that food health standards in the UK are far higher than the EU don't you? 

But hey... you're not that fussed about Brexit are you. 

[Duke Wellington]

7 minutes ago, Ozymandias said:

It's the same one Unknown Destination gave and which I re-quoted in my own post. It is a Food and Drink Federation report from September 2023. Click on the link, scroll down to first paragraph and click on 'FDF Trade Snapshot H1' (in bold text). Scroll down again to 'Download (184kb)' and you will find the tables I made screenshots of. 

That shows total exports and imports for goods and services by monetary value, not volume. We all know that their monetary value has increased as a result of inflation. When you look at goods only, the same ONS report shows the following data:

 

Clearly, even in pure monetary terms, these graphs show a decline in your total goods imports and exports. The only thing keeping their monetary value higher year on year is the addition of services. Crucially, the ONS report says:

'After removing the effect of inflation by calculating "chained volume measures" (explained in Section 10: Glossary), total goods imports decreased by £1.4 billion (3.6%) in December 2023 (Figure 2). Imports from non-EU countries fell by £0.7 billion (4.5%) and imports from the EU also fell by £0.7 billion (3.0%).'

The report also states that: 'After the effect of inflation has been removed, imports of services are £3.5 billion (18.8%) above February 2020 levels, and exports of services are £1.4 billion (4.7%) above February 2020.'

You seem to be importing more services than you export and the trend does not look promising: 

Quantities? The data you present only relates to monetary value, not quantity or volume. Take another look at the graphs I gave above.

 

And if you give me 30 minutes I will redo the charts for you removing the effects of Britain letting its empire go, or removing the 2008 banking crises, or the coronavirus pandemic. Then I can construct another make believe reality like the charts you quote.

Lets deal in actual reality please.

[Ozymandias]

6 minutes ago, Electric Scooter said:

And if you give me 30 minutes I will redo the charts for you removing the effects of Britain letting its empire go, or removing the 2008 banking crises, or the coronavirus pandemic. Then I can construct another make believe reality like the charts you quote.

Lets deal in actual reality please.

Every chart I have put up in response to you has been from the ONS. Do you not rate your own Office for National Statistics?

Reality? You're the one in fantasy land. The ONS and myself deal in reality. 

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[Duke Wellington]

1 minute ago, Ozymandias said:

Every chart I have put up in response to you has been from the ONS. Do you not rate your own Office for National Statistics?

I`m pretty sure the ONS figures are accurate.

But you aren`t quoting the figures, you are quoting a massaged version of the figures which removes the effects of inflation. Hence they are no longer a representation of reality.

[Ozymandias]

20 minutes ago, Electric Scooter said:

I`m pretty sure the ONS figures are accurate.

Of course they are!  Don't you read what people say in their posts? In Message #25, I clearly stated that 'the same ONS report shows the following data'.

20 minutes ago, Electric Scooter said:

But you aren`t quoting the figures, you are quoting a massaged version of the figures which removes the effects of inflation. Hence they are no longer a representation of reality.

All the charts and data I put up in Message #25 in response to you came from the same ONS report that you quoted. All of the figures and graphs are those of the ONS (screenshot from their site), which you consider accurate. They are not my figures at all. 

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[Duke Wellington]

53 minutes ago, Ozymandias said:

Of course they are!  Don't you read what people say in their posts? In Message #25, I clearly stated that 'the same ONS report shows the following data'.

All the charts and data I put up in Message #25 in response to you came from the same ONS report that you quoted. All of the figures and graphs are those of the ONS (screenshot from their site), which you consider accurate. They are not my figures at all. 

You don`t seem able to consciously recognise the part where it tells you they massaged the figures.

[Destination Unknown]

3 hours ago, Ozymandias said:

Calling Ireland a vassal state is water off a duck's back to me and any other intelligent and well-informed Irishman. I explained this to you before: Ireland and 26 other European sovereign nations are in a Single Market by consensus. We have all agreed the rules and abide by them. You are barking up the wrong tree with that one and wasting your time.

And I explained this to you before: The Irish aren't even using their own currency anymore, they've replaced it with the euro, so your monetary policy and interest rates aren't set by Ireland, they're set by the 'European Central Bank', therefore EU vassal Ireland hasn't even got one of the basic foundations of actually being a sovereign nation in the first place... control over its own currency. 🤦

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[Ozymandias]

2 hours ago, Destination Unknown said:

And I explained this to you before: The Irish aren't even using their own currency anymore, they've replaced it with the euro, so your monetary policy and interest rates aren't set by Ireland, they're set by the 'European Central Bank', therefore EU vassal Ireland hasn't even got one of the basic foundations of actually being a sovereign nation in the first place... control over its own currency. 🤦

More diversion. You are avoiding giving a response to my post in #19. I will repeat it for you:-

'Driven by growing EU demand'?!?!?!!! As usual, Destination Unknown cherry picks and spins the evidence to promote his own deluded Brexit agenda. There is no growing EU demand. Quite the opposite. The record export figures for the first half of 2023 relate to the monetary value of those exports, the 4% increase being due entirely to inflation and has nothing to do with inceased EU demand. The report says this 4% increase was 'driven by 7.6% growth to the EU'. The volume of exports actually declined. The UK is exporting less to the EU than it did before. Here are the figures provided by the report you reference:-

Clearly, the volumes of your top ten exports are down quite considerably in everything but 'Milk & Cream' and possibly 'Soft Drinks'. Now look what the same report says about your imports:

 Despite a significant decline in the volume of many imports, look at the increase inflation has wrought on their cost to the UK consumer. So much for Global Britain and Brexit delivering cheap food to the UK consumer. 

 

[Ozymandias]

2 hours ago, Destination Unknown said:

And I explained this to you before: The Irish aren't even using their own currency anymore, they've replaced it with the euro, so your monetary policy and interest rates aren't set by Ireland, they're set by the 'European Central Bank', therefore EU vassal Ireland hasn't even got one of the basic foundations of actually being a sovereign nation in the first place... control over its own currency. 🤦

It is a matter of fact that England is not a recognised sovereign state or an independent country according to the United Nations. Ireland on the other hand is.

If you want to debate this, open a new thread on the topic and stop hijacking this one.

[Ozymandias]

3 hours ago, Electric Scooter said:

You don`t seem able to consciously recognise the part where it tells you they massaged the figures.

I do, but the point you are trying to make does not wash. To 'massage' the figures is legally defined as fraudulently presenting information in order to deliberately mislead. The ONS is 'seasonally adjusting' data in order to make the net trend in economic activity clearer. Are you accusing the ONS of being fraudulent with national statistics? 

[Duke Wellington]

29 minutes ago, Ozymandias said:

I do, but the point you are trying to make does not wash. To 'massage' the figures is legally defined as fraudulently presenting information in order to deliberately mislead. The ONS is 'seasonally adjusting' data in order to make the net trend in economic activity clearer. Are you accusing the ONS of being fraudulent with national statistics? 

No its not, its ignoring how much we sold and purchased in money terms by removing inflation.

[Destination Unknown]

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[Destination Unknown]

1 hour ago, Ozymandias said:

It is a matter of fact that England is not a recognised sovereign state or an independent country according to the United Nations. Ireland on the other hand is.

Oh well, if the globalist shills at the United Nations says so then it must be true. 🤦

That still doesn't get you away from the fact that a supoosedly sovereign Ireland cannot tell a foreign court to get stuffed when it's being fined for not doing the EU's bidding quickly enough, nor does it get you away from the fact that a supoosedly sovereign Ireland no longer has control over its own currency either, whereas "non-sovereign" country England does, because our monetary policy is still controlled by... The Bank Of ENGLAND, thus forever reminding Ireland of their EU vassalage. 😂😂😂😂

 

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