dream jo Posted March 12 #1 Share Posted March 12 Do you have ghosts in your house or in your apartment where you live I know I live everybody has got ghost because we live in Victorian houses 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted March 13 #2 Share Posted March 13 16 hours ago, dream jo said: Do you have ghosts in your house or in your apartment where you live I know I live everybody has got ghost because we live in Victorian houses What is your most convincing ghost event at your house? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dream jo Posted March 15 Author #3 Share Posted March 15 On 3/13/2024 at 3:26 PM, papageorge1 said: What is your most convincing ghost event at your house? I've had things disappear for a few days then turn up the same place I've been looking for but I do live in a Victorian house 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted March 15 #4 Share Posted March 15 1 hour ago, dream jo said: I've had things disappear for a few days then turn up the same place I've been looking for but I do live in a Victorian house Yes, I had the same experience with an item and I live alone. I strongly believe this disappearing item and reappearing where it should have been all along is a real paranormal phenomenon. I shared my story on this forum too. The universe is more than we see on the surface. Then we must ask ourselves how and why. I suspect this ability is in the repertoire of the spirits. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TashaMarie Posted March 22 #5 Share Posted March 22 On 3/12/2024 at 11:00 PM, dream jo said: Do you have ghosts in your house or in your apartment where you live I know I live everybody has got ghost because we live in Victorian houses No. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted March 22 #6 Share Posted March 22 On 3/12/2024 at 11:00 PM, dream jo said: Do you have ghosts in your house or in your apartment where you live I know I live everybody has got ghost because we live in Victorian houses no, ghosts are not real.. they only exist in your mind- prove it i hear you ask..NA, couldn't be bothered! zzzzzzzzzzzz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hankenhunter Posted March 23 #7 Share Posted March 23 Not any more. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antigonos Posted March 23 #8 Share Posted March 23 Victorian houses are no more likely to be haunted than any other. But my favorite stories/cases come from that period and earlier. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetorian Posted March 24 #9 Share Posted March 24 On 3/15/2024 at 7:10 PM, papageorge1 said: Yes, I had the same experience with an item and I live alone. I strongly believe this disappearing item and reappearing where it should have been all along is a real paranormal phenomenon. I shared my story on this forum too. The universe is more than we see on the surface. Then we must ask ourselves how and why. I suspect this ability is in the repertoire of the spirits. Strange that you haven't been challenged yet on your beliefs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetorian Posted March 24 #10 Share Posted March 24 On 3/13/2024 at 9:26 AM, annamayer said: Luckily I live in a modern building, and I think that there are no ghosts there. They prefer Victorian houses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetorian Posted March 24 #11 Share Posted March 24 13 hours ago, Antigonos said: Victorian houses are no more likely to be haunted than any other. But my favorite stories/cases come from that period and earlier. Wow! And why Victorian houses are no more likely to be haunted than any other houses? You must not be afraid to express your opinion or to state some facts. Just say there are no ghosts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antigonos Posted March 24 #12 Share Posted March 24 (edited) 1 hour ago, Zetorian said: Wow! And why Victorian houses are no more likely to be haunted than any other houses? You must not be afraid to express your opinion or to state some facts. Just say there are no ghosts. And how exactly does the phrase “Some of my favorite stories/cases come from that period” translate to you as I think “There are no ghosts” ? Afraid to express my opinion? I’m sorry, have we met before? Why exactly would a Victorian house be liable to be any more or less haunted simply because it’s Victorian? Why would Borley Rectory be more likely to be haunted than Hinton Ampner, Epworth Rectory or Great Bealings, all originally Georgian era buildings with some of the most famous haunted cases on record? How does the style of structure factor in exactly? What does any specific time period have to do with causation? Why would Ballechin House be more likely to be haunted than Glamis? Why do you think “They prefer Victorian houses” ? How does that work and what exactly do you base that on? Simply because that was the era of Spiritualism? Why would someone who died 30 years ago in a London apartment seek out a Victorian house to inhabit? What makes you think departed souls have any choice where they haunt? Like other history this is an incredibly nuanced topic. Nothing is simple or black and white. I’ve been studying these cases and the history of psychical phenomena all my life, so take your whole ignorant knee jerk reaction of “Uh oh, must be a skeptic, have to squash him!” and stick it where the sun doesn’t shine. Got it? Next time take the time to actually comprehend what the other person is saying before spouting off. If you’re interested in having an actual productive conversation about this, let’s have one. If you’re simply going to act like a belligerent troll just walk on by. Edited March 24 by Antigonos 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted March 24 #13 Share Posted March 24 43 minutes ago, Zetorian said: Strange that you haven't been challenged yet on your beliefs. You must be new. He's been challenged over and over and over and over again. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted March 24 #14 Share Posted March 24 6 minutes ago, Antigonos said: And how exactly does the phrase “Some of my favorite stories/cases come from that period” translate to you as I think “There are no ghosts” ? Afraid to express my opinion? I’m sorry, have we met before? Why exactly would a Victorian house be liable to be any more or less haunted simply because it’s Victorian? Why would Borley Rectory be more likely to be haunted than Hinton Ampner, Epworth Rectory or Great Bealings, all originally Georgian era buildings with some of the most famous haunted cases on record? How does the style of structure factor in exactly? What does any specific time period have to do with causation? Why would Ballechin House be more likely to be haunted than Glamis? I’ve been studying these cases and the history of psychical phenomena all my life, so take your whole ignorant knee jerk reaction of “Uh oh, must be a skeptic, have to squash him!” and stick it where the sun doesn’t shine. Got it? Next time take the time to actually comprehend what the other person is saying before spouting off. If you’re interested in having an actual productive conversation about this, let’s have one. If you’re simply going to act like a belligerent troll just walk on by. Where are all the dinosaur ghost? I mean if they're ghost cats and dogs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antigonos Posted March 24 #15 Share Posted March 24 (edited) 42 minutes ago, XenoFish said: Where are all the dinosaur ghost? I mean if they're ghost cats and dogs. As someone who loves paleontology I think that’s an excellent question. The ideas offered to explain that are 1. Because cats and dogs are somewhat sentient, they have the ability to survive after death like humans do. It’s part of a larger hypothesis concerning the theoretical connection between sentience and survival. 2. Our emotional bond with them allows them to survive (or we think we see and hear them, for a more psychological answer). But that doesn’t explain seeing random animals we didn’t know in life. 3. Archaic animals lived too far in the past. Part of another theory having to do with apparitions being short lived phenomena that fade over time. I’m not endorsing any one idea, but if there is a reality behind them No 1 makes the most sense. I think personally it’s mostly a case of wish fulfillment and mistaken identity. The late 19th century Irish ghost hunter Elliott O’Donnell wrote an endearing and charming book called Animal Ghosts. It’s a comforting read for anyone who has lost a beloved critter, even if you don’t believe in the supernatural or are on the fence about it. Edited March 24 by Antigonos 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted March 24 #16 Share Posted March 24 1 minute ago, Antigonos said: I think personally it’s mostly a case of wish fulfillment and mistaken identity. I think a lot of ghost phenomenon comes down to imagination. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antigonos Posted March 24 #17 Share Posted March 24 2 minutes ago, XenoFish said: I think a lot of ghost phenomenon comes down to imagination. Perfectly possible, especially with the amount of suggestion involved with the subject. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittens Are Jerks Posted March 24 #18 Share Posted March 24 13 minutes ago, Antigonos said: Perfectly possible, especially with the amount of suggestion involved with the subject. I believe cognitive bias is the predominant culprit — more specifically, causal illusion (an illusory perception of a cause-effect relationship when there are only coincidences. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4488611/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antigonos Posted March 24 #19 Share Posted March 24 7 minutes ago, Kittens Are Jerks said: I believe cognitive bias is the predominant culprit — more specifically, causal illusion (an illusory perception of a cause-effect relationship when there are only coincidences. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4488611/ Another extremely plausible answer. Fits in with my second possibility, the psychological. Thanks for the link, Kitten. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted March 24 #20 Share Posted March 24 1 hour ago, Zetorian said: Strange that you haven't been challenged yet on your beliefs. Not sure what you mean, or you must be new here. I spend 90% of my time here answering challenges, lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antigonos Posted March 24 #21 Share Posted March 24 5 minutes ago, papageorge1 said: Not sure what you mean, or you must be new here. I spend 90% of my time here answering challenges, lol. If nothing else, I like your persistence 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetorian Posted March 24 #22 Share Posted March 24 1 hour ago, XenoFish said: You must be new. He's been challenged over and over and over and over again. Yes I am. Probably in other threads that I haven't watched yet. I wonder if a survey comes up how many people will say they believe in ghosts or have seen ghosts and apparitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetorian Posted March 24 #23 Share Posted March 24 18 minutes ago, papageorge1 said: Not sure what you mean, or you must be new here. I spend 90% of my time here answering challenges, lol. If something doesn't fit the view of the skeptics then you could get challenged a lot. That's what I meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted March 24 #24 Share Posted March 24 Just now, Zetorian said: If something doesn't fit the view of the skeptics then you could get challenged a lot. That's what I meant. Open-minded skepticism is a good thing. I consider myself that. But the word skeptic has gotten morphed into meaning a determined nonbeliever in anything paranormal, a bad thing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antigonos Posted March 24 #25 Share Posted March 24 1 minute ago, papageorge1 said: Open-minded skepticism is a good thing. I consider myself that. But the word skeptic has gotten morphed into meaning a determined nonbeliever in anything paranormal, a bad thing. I agree completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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