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Brexit: no British beef exported to Australia due to red tape


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CEO Nick Allen wrote: “Our members are always looking proactively for business opportunities and seeing if they can also benefit reciprocally. There are UK operators in Australia right now trying to do this and they have indeed identified opportunities to export beef products to that market only to find that they are unable do to so as currently Australia will not permit the import of UK beef or sheep meat without undertaking a protracted approval process which, put simply, means that Australia considers UK beef and lamb not safe to import unless and until we prove otherwise.”

George Eustice, who was the Environment, Farming and Rural Affairs Secretary when the Australia deal was signed, has since criticised the FTA, blaming it on Liz Truss’ International Trade Department.

He said in 2022: “I no longer have to put such a positive gloss on what was agreed … the truth of the matter is that the UK gave away far too much for far too little in return.”

Leave campaigners claimed that EU trade would be supplanted with deals around the world, although recent figures have shown that hasn’t happened. Instead goods trade has dropped well below all other G7 countries and the UK still relies on working with Europe, just with far more red tape.

Brexit: no British beef exported to Australia under UK’s first post-EU trade deal due to red tape (msn.com)

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On 3/16/2024 at 4:45 AM, pellinore said:

CEO Nick Allen wrote: “Our members are always looking proactively for business opportunities and seeing if they can also benefit reciprocally. There are UK operators in Australia right now trying to do this and they have indeed identified opportunities to export beef products to that market only to find that they are unable do to so as currently Australia will not permit the import of UK beef or sheep meat without undertaking a protracted approval process which, put simply, means that Australia considers UK beef and lamb not safe to import unless and until we prove otherwise.”

George Eustice, who was the Environment, Farming and Rural Affairs Secretary when the Australia deal was signed, has since criticised the FTA, blaming it on Liz Truss’ International Trade Department.

He said in 2022: “I no longer have to put such a positive gloss on what was agreed … the truth of the matter is that the UK gave away far too much for far too little in return.”

Leave campaigners claimed that EU trade would be supplanted with deals around the world, although recent figures have shown that hasn’t happened. Instead goods trade has dropped well below all other G7 countries and the UK still relies on working with Europe, just with far more red tape.

Brexit: no British beef exported to Australia under UK’s first post-EU trade deal due to red tape (msn.com)

Market prices for Australian beef - sheep are at historic lows and yet we are still paying the same record amount at the supermarket. I really wish the Brits, Argentina and many more can export here to lower the prices. But i suspect the real problem is the super markets and retailers. We need more competition 

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1 hour ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Market prices for Australian beef - sheep are at historic lows and yet we are still paying the same record amount at the supermarket. I really wish the Brits, Argentina and many more can export here to lower the prices. But i suspect the real problem is the super markets and retailers. We need more competition 

It is difficult. People want cheap meat, but that usually means battery/factory farming with animals kept in horrendous conditions. Really awful conditions, unable to move at all in their short lives. But ethically produced meat is expensive. We can all aim for the bottom, or we can farm in a reasonably decent way.

British produce won't lower prices for you- we have been pushing up farming standards, and our USP is ethically produced meat. A leg of British lamb sells for £30-£35 in the UK. (Of course, we have shot ourselves in the feet with our European border controls so most of the meat sold in our supermarkets comes from Germany and the Netherlands).

My personal view is that meat, poultry and fish prices should go up considerably- at least double, probably more. We don't need to eat the amount of meat we do at present; we don't need to waste as much as we do, and we would be heathier if we ate less.

 

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On 3/15/2024 at 12:45 PM, pellinore said:

CEO Nick Allen wrote: “Our members are always looking proactively for business opportunities and seeing if they can also benefit reciprocally. There are UK operators in Australia right now trying to do this and they have indeed identified opportunities to export beef products to that market only to find that they are unable do to so as currently Australia will not permit the import of UK beef or sheep meat without undertaking a protracted approval process which, put simply, means that Australia considers UK beef and lamb not safe to import unless and until we prove otherwise.”

George Eustice, who was the Environment, Farming and Rural Affairs Secretary when the Australia deal was signed, has since criticised the FTA, blaming it on Liz Truss’ International Trade Department.

He said in 2022: “I no longer have to put such a positive gloss on what was agreed … the truth of the matter is that the UK gave away far too much for far too little in return.”

Leave campaigners claimed that EU trade would be supplanted with deals around the world, although recent figures have shown that hasn’t happened. Instead goods trade has dropped well below all other G7 countries and the UK still relies on working with Europe, just with far more red tape.

Brexit: no British beef exported to Australia under UK’s first post-EU trade deal due to red tape (msn.com)

As usual, pellinore is (yet again) showing his anti-Brexit bias by only telling half the story, which is a disingenuous summing up of the situation.

pellinore knows full well that the difficulties in play as regards UK exports of beef to Australia have precisely nothing to do with the UK-Australia Free Trade Agreement - the trade deal does not prevent UK exports of beef to Australia.

pellinore knows that irrespective of a trade deal, Australia also requires the exporting country (in this case, the UK) to have completed the necessary certification required by all countries wishing to export beef and beef products into Australia in order to be an approved exporter.

pellinore also knows that there are currently only 17 countries on the planet that have completed these processes, and the UK is not one of them. The UK government has stated that the only reason it has not done so is because the UK agriculture sector confirmed it did not see Australia as a priority for market access for beef and beef producs.

Regardless of the UK-Australia FTA, the UK also has to complete a certification process in order to be able to export beef products into Australia, as does any other country that also has an FTA with Australia is required to do as well. The UK has not yet done this, partly because farmers themselves have said it is not a priority (as a net importer of beef, the UK is never likely to export a lot of beef to Australia anyway), but that is still fixable, if desired.

Equally, Australia also had to have UK approval to export their beef into the UK, which is also separate to the FTA as well. The difference is, Australia prioritized it and did so, however, beef imports from Australia are still limited.

In short, UK Farmers were not interested in going through the Australian Beef certification process in order to export their beef (they have the option to do so if they want), so the UK farming sector told the trade department not to prioritize it. But there is meat being exported to Australia, just not beef. 👇👇👇👇

https://www.agriculture.gov.au/biosecurity-trade/import/goods/food/type/beef

Meanwhile, here are a few facts relating to trade with Australia that pellinore is "conveniently" omitting - (Strange 🤔😞

. In the four quarters to the end of Q3 2023, total UK exports of goods and services to Australia amounted to £14.3 billion (an increase of 18.5%, or £2.2 billion in current prices, compared to the four quarters to the end of Q3 2022).

. UK exports of cars to Australia increased by 116% from £521 million in 2022 to £1.14 billion in 2023.

. UK exports of Road vehicles other than cars also increased by 84%.

. Aircraft exports were up by 69%.

. Ships up by 108%.

. Even UK dairy exports were up by 13%.

• Other Business Services (£2.5 billion or 27.7% of all UK services exported to Australia).

• Insurance and Pension (£1.9 billion or 21.2%).

• Travel (£1.8 billion or 20.0%).

• Telecommunications, computer and information services (£895 million or 10.0%).

• Financial (£839 million or 9.4%).

👇👇👇👇👇

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/65d4917bc2682d001628e881/australia-trade-and-investment-factsheet-2024-02-22.pdf

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1 hour ago, Destination Unknown said:

As usual, pellinore is (yet again) showing his anti-Brexit bias by only telling half the story, which is a disingenuous summing up of the situation.

pellinore knows full well that the difficulties in play as regards UK exports of beef to Australia have precisely nothing to do with the UK-Australia Free Trade Agreement - the trade deal does not prevent UK exports of beef to Australia.

pellinore knows that irrespective of a trade deal, Australia also requires the exporting country (in this case, the UK) to have completed the necessary certification required by all countries wishing to export beef and beef products into Australia in order to be an approved exporter.

pellinore also knows that there are currently only 17 countries on the planet that have completed these processes, and the UK is not one of them. The UK government has stated that the only reason it has not done so is because the UK agriculture sector confirmed it did not see Australia as a priority for market access for beef and beef producs.

Regardless of the UK-Australia FTA, the UK also has to complete a certification process in order to be able to export beef products into Australia, as does any other country that also has an FTA with Australia is required to do as well. The UK has not yet done this, partly because farmers themselves have said it is not a priority (as a net importer of beef, the UK is never likely to export a lot of beef to Australia anyway), but that is still fixable, if desired.

Equally, Australia also had to have UK approval to export their beef into the UK, which is also separate to the FTA as well. The difference is, Australia prioritized it and did so, however, beef imports from Australia are still limited.

In short, UK Farmers were not interested in going through the Australian Beef certification process in order to export their beef (they have the option to do so if they want), so the UK farming sector told the trade department not to prioritize it. But there is meat being exported to Australia, just not beef. 👇👇👇👇

https://www.agriculture.gov.au/biosecurity-trade/import/goods/food/type/beef

Meanwhile, here are a few facts relating to trade with Australia that pellinore is "conveniently" omitting - (Strange 🤔😞

. In the four quarters to the end of Q3 2023, total UK exports of goods and services to Australia amounted to £14.3 billion (an increase of 18.5%, or £2.2 billion in current prices, compared to the four quarters to the end of Q3 2022).

. UK exports of cars to Australia increased by 116% from £521 million in 2022 to £1.14 billion in 2023.

. UK exports of Road vehicles other than cars also increased by 84%.

. Aircraft exports were up by 69%.

. Ships up by 108%.

. Even UK dairy exports were up by 13%.

• Other Business Services (£2.5 billion or 27.7% of all UK services exported to Australia).

• Insurance and Pension (£1.9 billion or 21.2%).

• Travel (£1.8 billion or 20.0%).

• Telecommunications, computer and information services (£895 million or 10.0%).

• Financial (£839 million or 9.4%).

👇👇👇👇👇

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/65d4917bc2682d001628e881/australia-trade-and-investment-factsheet-2024-02-22.pdf

The deal is funny, though, isn't it?

 

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1 hour ago, pellinore said:

The deal is funny, though, isn't it?

 

Well considering the value of UK exports to Australia (£14.3 billion in the four quarters to the end of Q3 2023) is more than the value of Australia's exports to the UK (£5.2 billion over that same period), then yeah, it's funny because it's a win for UK exporters, as we are selling more to them than they are to us, but that's obviously not what you want to hear is it pellinore. 🤔

💡I know what you should do pellinore.

You should do what you always do when the facts don't suit your narrative. You should completely ignore this annoyingly inconvenient bit of positive news for a post-Brexit UK and start another bias one-sided Brexit-bashing thread that's totally unrelated to this one instead. 🤔

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/65d4917bc2682d001628e881/australia-trade-and-investment-factsheet-2024-02-22.pdf

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15 hours ago, Destination Unknown said:

Well considering the value of UK exports to Australia (£14.3 billion in the four quarters to the end of Q3 2023) is more than the value of Australia's exports to the UK (£5.2 billion over that same period), then yeah, it's funny because it's a win for UK exporters, as we are selling more to them than they are to us, but that's obviously not what you want to hear is it pellinore. 🤔

💡I know what you should do pellinore.

You should do what you always do when the facts don't suit your narrative. You should completely ignore this annoyingly inconvenient bit of positive news for a post-Brexit UK and start another bias one-sided Brexit-bashing thread that's totally unrelated to this one instead. 🤔

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/65d4917bc2682d001628e881/australia-trade-and-investment-factsheet-2024-02-22.pdf

Your defence of it makes it even funnier! We have a huge market 20 miles away which we turned our back on, to make worthless trade deals (less than worthless, as they are damaging our agriculture) the other side of the world, just so we could have blue passports designed in France and now manufactured in Poland.

And the icing on the cake- the Party that brought this calamity will be out of office by the end of the year and grownups will have to try to sort the mess out. Come on, Steve, it is funny, isn't it?

Boris Johnson has been accused of causing “embarrassment” for Britain after blundering into a £10bn trade deal concession with Australia in farcical scenes.

Over a chaotic dinner in No 10 in early 2021, an Australian official is reported to have cobbled together an agreement over meat import quotas on his way to the loo, which he rushed to get Mr Johnson to sign before the final course.

Liz Truss, who at the time was serving as international trade secretary and later tried to unpick the deal, is said to have been told later: “Your boss has conceded the whole kingdom.”

Boris Johnson's £10bn Australia trade deal blunder branded 'an embarrassment' | The Independent

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1 hour ago, pellinore said:

We have a huge market 20 miles away which we turned our back on.

A market that was selling more to us than we ever sold to them, and was costing us some £10bn of UK taxpayers money every single year in perpetuity for the "privilege", no wonder mainland Europe mockingly called us "Treasure Island".

It's the political aspect of it that we have turned our back on pellinore, and we now have a Free Trade Agreement with the EU, so we haven't actually turned our back on the EU market itself. 🤦

1 hour ago, pellinore said:

just so we could have blue passports designed in France and now manufactured in Poland.

There you go again pellinore, showing your absolute total ignorance as to why we voted to Leave the EU. This is the same absolute total ignorance that is the very reason why Remain lost in the first place, your refusal to even listen.

Nobody voted to Leave the EU because they wanted a different colour passport, so why do you always feel the need to trivialise my vote by spreading those ridiculous lies?

Why do you never want to address the real truth about why we voted to get out of your beloved EU eh pellinore? 🤔

Why do you never take a look at your beloved EU and face the truth for once, that the real reason many of us voted to Leave the EU was because, unlike you, we don't actually want to see our country sold out to a wannabe federal European Superstate where we would ultimately be answerable to a Politburo based in Brussels?

And as for our passports being designed in France and now manufactured in Poland, you do actually realise there's a very simple reason for that don't you pellinore? 🤔

That's right. It's all down to your beloved EU's procurement rules, which the UK was still subject to when the contract for the production of British Passports came up for renewal in 2017. 🤦

EU law on procurement requires public bodies to open up higher-value contract opportunities to bids across the European Union, so even if the UK had never even had the referendum in the first place, the UK's new passports would still have been produced outside of the UK anyway, so why not put the blame where it really lies, your beloved EU? 🤦👇👇👇👇

https://europa.eu/youreurope/business/selling-in-eu/public-contracts/public-tendering-rules/index_en.htm

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