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John Burroughs and the government's unprecedented acknowledgment of radiation sickness from UFO


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I thought I'd post this article that shows some of the lengths the gov't went to to bury John Burrough's radiation poisoning from Rendlesham.

https://www.rdrnews.com/news/national/john-burroughs-and-the-governments-unprecedented-acknowledgment/article_22fde1e0-eac0-11ed-bb5f-a3db8e1a9427.html

https://whatliesbeyond.boards.net/thread/3391/admit-vet-suffers-radiation-exposure

I didn't know lighthouses could give you radiation sickness. That and the Air Force's  statement that he never served sure raises questions.

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Unfortunately you need to create an account to read the full story.   But I assume it's the same as this one?

https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/21672773.medical-payout-ufo-mystery-airman-following-rendlesham-forest-encounter/

It actually proves nothing.    There is no evidence of radiation sickness, let alone any official recognition of such, merely a claim from his lawyer that " he developed heart problems and other ailments that arose from the incident.”   Without seeing the full report it's impossible to say whether he was a lucky individual who would never normally have developed heart problems or any other illness decades later ;) 
 

 

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I think there needs to be further inquiry into Burroughs' AF career and assignments.

It is known that at the time he was stationed at that base it housed A-10s. The A-10 nose gun utilizes DU rounds. It is debated, but possible, that exposure to DU rounds may have caused this effect. As a SP he was likely detailed to security checks of all the ammunition bunkers including the DU storage, this exposing him to DU rounds on a regular basis.

Additionally, we do not know the width and breadth of his AF career or what he did immediately following discharge. So, it is unknown truly that he developed this because of the alleged "event".

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This is Nick Pope’s handwritten memo concerning the radiation readings from the MoD’s Rendlesham Forest UFO file.

It is folio 9 in Part 1 of the file. The memo, signed and dated dated 15 April 1994, reads as follows:

 

http://www.ianridpath.com/ufo/rendlesham4a.html

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Do we even know that exposure to radiation causes heart disease decades later? 

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2 hours ago, Essan said:

Do we even know that exposure to radiation causes heart disease decades later? 

No. The claims of radiation sickness and cancer linked to DU exposure is debated in the medical community. That's why I would like to know where else he's been stationed and what duties he was assigned. Also, what did he do after he was discharged? What work did he do? It was a couple of years before the fairy tale took on the life we know it has now.

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1 hour ago, Trelane said:

No. The claims of radiation sickness and cancer linked to DU exposure is debated in the medical community. That's why I would like to know where else he's been stationed and what duties he was assigned. Also, what did he do after he was discharged? What work did he do? It was a couple of years before the fairy tale took on the life we know it has now.

I have to read it a couple of times but it said the "discovery of a heart murmur" which should of been discovered at enlistment.

They didn't find my arrhythmia as a ranger cadet. They found it after graduation. Of course you know that already.

Then this "mass" that they are not saying is cancer. Strange.

Then they called it damage from "broad band non-ionizing electromagnetic radiation". That's microwaves, radio waves or high tension lines (ELF) 

I don't think any cause cause eye issues though.

That would come from non-ionizing infrared radiation.

 

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14 hours ago, Essan said:

Unfortunately you need to create an account to read the full story.   But I assume it's the same as this one?

https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/21672773.medical-payout-ufo-mystery-airman-following-rendlesham-forest-encounter/

It actually proves nothing.    There is no evidence of radiation sickness, let alone any official recognition of such, merely a claim from his lawyer that " he developed heart problems and other ailments that arose from the incident.”   Without seeing the full report it's impossible to say whether he was a lucky individual who would never normally have developed heart problems or any other illness decades later ;) 
 

 

I don't know why it won't show for you. Both links work for me. Your link isn't the same.

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8 hours ago, Essan said:

Do we even know that exposure to radiation causes heart disease decades later? 

According to the medical reports, yes. Why else would they have caved on his coverage.

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9 hours ago, Hazzard said:

This is Nick Pope’s handwritten memo concerning the radiation readings from the MoD’s Rendlesham Forest UFO file.

It is folio 9 in Part 1 of the file. The memo, signed and dated dated 15 April 1994, reads as follows:

 

http://www.ianridpath.com/ufo/rendlesham4a.html

Not possible he was forced?

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8 hours ago, Essan said:

Do we even know that exposure to radiation causes heart disease decades later? 

Non-Ionizing has no accompanying dose rate like ionizing radiation does. Microwave, and other forms of non-Ionizing radiation damage is based solely upon exposure time. However, it can cause damage to any organ including the eyes depending upon the exposure rate and the proximity to the source.

Ionizing radiation can damage any organ in the human body. But everything depends upon the Dose Rate and how long the individual was exposed to the Radioactive source. :yes:

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7 hours ago, Trelane said:

No. The claims of radiation sickness and cancer linked to DU exposure is debated in the medical community. That's why I would like to know where else he's been stationed and what duties he was assigned. Also, what did he do after he was discharged? What work did he do? It was a couple of years before the fairy tale took on the life we know it has now.

The US Government has known the danger depleted uranium posed since at least Operation Desert Storm in 1990 when it was first used. Part of the training we undertook was to teach our soldiers the dangers of DU before the ground invasion. With DU the dose rate is so low that it has no effect upon exposed skin which makes it equal in intensity to alpha particles. Depleted Unrainum only poses a risk if it is ingested or is inhaled, where it will settle in the body and possible cause cancer later in life. The residual white power left after being used against Armored Vehicles, is the danger not the exposure to unused ammunition.:yes:

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Did any of his colleagues suffer similar ailments?

Are we really 100% certain that the only possible reason this retired US serviceman sufferred from a heart condition (and ths recieved a payout from an organisation set up to assist ex servicement with health issues) - one of the most common ailments in the western world - was because of an alleged encounter with an alien spaceship?   

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3 hours ago, Essan said:

Did any of his colleagues suffer similar ailments?

Are we really 100% certain that the only possible reason this retired US serviceman sufferred from a heart condition (and ths recieved a payout from an organisation set up to assist ex servicement with health issues) - one of the most common ailments in the western world - was because of an alleged encounter with an alien spaceship?   

he probably stopped for a sip at a water fountain in Camp Lejeune

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35 minutes ago, sludgehammer said:

he probably stopped for a sip at a water fountain in Camp Lejeune

I was doing benefit paperwork for several Marines at our tribal center about 10 years ago and the VA was responding that all the cancers were "inherited" including one poor guy who was guarding nukes in the 50s on top of drinking at Lejeune. 

Of course they told my stepfather and uncle that Agent Orange was not a factor as cancer ate him up and lupus ate up my uncle in the 80s. 

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35 minutes ago, Piney said:

I was doing benefit paperwork for several Marines at our tribal center about 10 years ago and the VA was responding that all the cancers were "inherited" including one poor guy who was guarding nukes in the 50s on top of drinking at Lejeune. 

Of course they told my stepfather and uncle that Agent Orange was not a factor as cancer ate him up and lupus ate up my uncle in the 80s. 

Thats a dam shame very sorry to hear this. :cry:

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9 hours ago, Essan said:

Did any of his colleagues suffer similar ailments?

Are we really 100% certain that the only possible reason this retired US serviceman sufferred from a heart condition (and ths recieved a payout from an organisation set up to assist ex servicement with health issues) - one of the most common ailments in the western world - was because of an alleged encounter with an alien spaceship?   

Now that is a question that needs a hard look. If indeed there was this detail of airmen dispatched it stands to reason that at least one other should have developed similar symptoms/ailments as a result of their alleged exposure during this "sighting". Who knows where else Mr. Burroughs may have been stationed. There were (and still are) plenty of duty locations that could have placed an SP like him in close proximity to some pretty nasty stuff.

As @Pineysated his heart murmur should have been discovered during initial entry screening. If it were something that developed later it would certainly be diagnosed during his annual physicals. 

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5 hours ago, Piney said:

I was doing benefit paperwork for several Marines at our tribal center about 10 years ago and the VA was responding that all the cancers were "inherited" including one poor guy who was guarding nukes in the 50s on top of drinking at Lejeune. 

Of course they told my stepfather and uncle that Agent Orange was not a factor as cancer ate him up and lupus ate up my uncle in the 80s. 

Same for my uncle. Got exposed to Agent Orange and developed Lupus. Destroyed his life and eventually took him in the late 80's. A damn shame.

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1 hour ago, Trelane said:

Same for my uncle. Got exposed to Agent Orange and developed Lupus. Destroyed his life and eventually took him in the late 80's. A damn shame.

Back on topic, we both failed to mention that all medical records are classified. Not just his. 

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On 3/18/2024 at 6:45 AM, Hankenhunter said:

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I didn't know lighthouses could give you radiation sickness. That and the Air Force's  statement that he never served sure raises questions.

I can't immediately find a link but I've recently seen a video where they explained that when the lighthouse was taken down equipment was found that could indicate it double as an intelligence 'shelter'.

And why would he get a payout if he never served?  Let's assume he didn't serve but was there something must still have happened to get paid for his illness. 

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2 hours ago, iAlrakis said:

I can't immediately find a link but I've recently seen a video where they explained that when the lighthouse was taken down equipment was found that could indicate it double as an intelligence 'shelter'.

And why would he get a payout if he never served?  Let's assume he didn't serve but was there something must still have happened to get paid for his illness. 

Let's assume he didn't serve? Read the whole article.

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30 minutes ago, Hankenhunter said:

Let's assume he didn't serve? Read the whole article.

i would if it wasn't behind a paywall.

And don't avoid the question: why on earth would someone that didn't serve get paid for whatever happened there?

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19 minutes ago, iAlrakis said:

i would if it wasn't behind a paywall.

And don't avoid the question: why on earth would someone that didn't serve get paid for whatever happened there?

He did serve. I'd post the whole article just for you, but we're not supposed to. Try going incognito. It works for me many times. Your basing your argument on an article you haven't even read. 

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edit: wrong reply and haven't figured out how to delete :-)

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19 hours ago, Hankenhunter said:

He did serve. I'd post the whole article just for you, but we're not supposed to. Try going incognito. It works for me many times. Your basing your argument on an article you haven't even read. 

nvm, I misinterpreted your comment on the articles the first time.  I'm pretty much up to speed with Rendlesham and Burroughs

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