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Shock poll shows Reform UK just FOUR POINTS behind the Tories and closing


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A shock poll showed Reform UK just four points behind the Tories today as Rishi Sunak begs his panicking MPs to 'stick to the plan'.

YouGov research put the Nigel Farage-backed outfit on 15 per cent, up one over the last week. 

Meanwhile the Conservatives were down one on 19 per cent, with Labour miles ahead on 44 per cent, according to the study for the Times.

Shock poll shows Reform UK just FOUR POINTS behind the Tories and closing as Rishi Sunak begs his panicking MPs to 'stick to the plan' | Daily Mail Online

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And this from the daily mail.

This election is going to be a once in a generation catastrophe for the far right 😀

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1 hour ago, Setton said:

And this from the daily mail.

This election is going to be a once in a generation catastrophe for the far right 😀

It depends on who you think are far right, it's not the current conservative gov.

A right of center gov would be small state and pro growth. Not high tax and big state. 

If I had to predict the election result today I would say the Tories will be a lot closer in the polls a few weeks before the election.

But still behind, maybe 8/9 points in the polls. 

Then the usual effects could kick in, which is labour voters who think the game is won and don't need to vote, the pro Labour youth vote stay in bed.

The election result is unlikely to reflect todays polling.   

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5 hours ago, L.A.T.1961 said:

It depends on who you think are far right, it's not the current conservative gov.

A right of center gov would be small state and pro growth. Not high tax and big state. 

A right of centre government would, yes. 

A far right government, such as our current one, approaches authoritarianism from the opposite side.

Things like limiting the right to protest, scapegoating minorities, degrading trust in public bodies that are independent.

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If I had to predict the election result today I would say the Tories will be a lot closer in the polls a few weeks before the election.

 

But still behind, maybe 8/9 points in the polls. 

 

Then the usual effects could kick in, which is labour voters who think the game is won and don't need to vote, the pro Labour youth vote stay in bed.

 

The election result is unlikely to reflect todays polling.   

We'll see. I predict a decade in the wilderness for the right wing.

The ridiculous thing is the right has actually grown in popularity with current xenophobia and fear mongering. They just can't even agree on how far right they want to go.

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7 hours ago, L.A.T.1961 said:

It depends on who you think are far right

He is so far left he thinks everyone is far right.

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3 minutes ago, OverSword said:

He is so far left he thinks everyone is far right.

Yes, yes I'm so far left 🙄 That's why my voting record is once a right wing party, twice a centrist party and once a left wing party.

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12 hours ago, pellinore said:

A shock poll showed Reform UK just four points behind the Tories today as Rishi Sunak begs his panicking MPs to 'stick to the plan'.

YouGov research put the Nigel Farage-backed outfit on 15 per cent, up one over the last week. 

Meanwhile the Conservatives were down one on 19 per cent, with Labour miles ahead on 44 per cent, according to the study for the Times.

Shock poll shows Reform UK just FOUR POINTS behind the Tories and closing as Rishi Sunak begs his panicking MPs to 'stick to the plan' | Daily Mail Online

Okay that convinced me, I just joined.

I just hope they don`t figure out I`m now in both haha.

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20 minutes ago, Setton said:

Yes, yes I'm so far left 🙄 That's why my voting record is once a right wing party, twice a centrist party and once a left wing party.

sure ;)

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1 hour ago, OverSword said:

sure ;)

Believe what you like. I know my values.

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21 hours ago, Setton said:

And this from the daily mail.

This election is going to be a once in a generation catastrophe for the far right 😀

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/19/bbc-apologises-for-calling-reform-uk-far-right

The BBC has apologised for referring to Reform UK as “far right” in a news report.

The apology related to coverage of the Liberal Democrats’ spring conference by the broadcaster, which said it had removed a sentence from an article that did not adhere to its editorial standards.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/03/20/why-is-the-bbc-smearing-reform-as-far-right/

"The BBC is not alone in throwing the far-right tag around with gay abandon. Every day, the bar for what’s deemed far right gets lowered. Worried about grooming gangs or Islamist extremism? Then you probably have some far-right tendencies. Feeling the pinch of Sadiq Khan’s ULEZ scheme? You are also far right, in the mayor of London’s eyes at least.

There’s an irony in all this. After all, in recent years Britain’s liberal left, with the BBC to the fore, has campaigned to overturn democratic votes, become pathologically obsessed with race and is now giving succour to anti-Semites."

 

"A far right government, such as our current one, approaches authoritarianism from the opposite side.

Things like limiting the right to protest, scapegoating minorities, degrading trust in public bodies that are independent."  .....yes, because they've really been cracking down on these weekly Palastinian protests haven't they, oh yes, & those poor 'minorities' ....what's the hotel bill running to at the moment for our newly arrived 'minorities' £7 million a day at the last count I think.

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2 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/19/bbc-apologises-for-calling-reform-uk-far-right

The BBC has apologised for referring to Reform UK as “far right” in a news report.

The apology related to coverage of the Liberal Democrats’ spring conference by the broadcaster, which said it had removed a sentence from an article that did not adhere to its editorial standards.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/03/20/why-is-the-bbc-smearing-reform-as-far-right/

"The BBC is not alone in throwing the far-right tag around with gay abandon. Every day, the bar for what’s deemed far right gets lowered. Worried about grooming gangs or Islamist extremism? Then you probably have some far-right tendencies. Feeling the pinch of Sadiq Khan’s ULEZ scheme? You are also far right, in the mayor of London’s eyes at least.

There’s an irony in all this. After all, in recent years Britain’s liberal left, with the BBC to the fore, has campaigned to overturn democratic votes, become pathologically obsessed with race and is now giving succour to anti-Semites."

Most of the public struggle to understand the difference between far right and extreme right. I'm not surprised the BBC thought it simpler to withdraw it than try to explain it to the knuckle draggers who'd be offended by it.

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16 minutes ago, Setton said:

Most of the public struggle to understand the difference between far right and extreme right. I'm not surprised the BBC thought it simpler to withdraw it than try to explain it to the knuckle draggers who'd be offended by it.

Contrary to your assertion that you are not far left, you do exhibit all the traits of the far left, notably a distain for your fellow citizens that is so typical of the champagne socialist chattering classes & and a false sense of superiority.

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What far right activity will you be indulging in today? driving a car?  drinking milk? locking your front door? retaining your gender assigned at birth? Be careful, the far right is everywhere...

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"...And these 'far right'....are they in the room with us right now?"

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Reform website, Make Britain Great Again, I love it.

I want to see `Made in Britain` on 90% of products, a maximum of 30,000 per year immigration, a strong military that can wage war on its own, and promoting our own international interest instead of fighting other peoples wars like the EUs war of expansion into Ukraine.

Lets bring Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, back into the fold with a federation, plus any others like Singapore which might value being onboard with it.

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3 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Contrary to your assertion that you are not far left, you do exhibit all the traits of the far left, notably a distain for your fellow citizens that is so typical of the champagne socialist chattering classes & and a false sense of superiority.

My contempt for stupidity has nothing to do with political leanings. 

As for my own leanings, my voting record speaks for itself. Basically my approach is to vote for whoever I think will do most good or against anyone I think is harming my country.

Which is why this election I plan to vote for whoever has most chance of unseating the current government.

How many far left people do you know who are pro-military and police and generally opposed to strikes?

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2 minutes ago, Setton said:

My contempt for stupidity has nothing to do with political leanings. 

As for my own leanings, my voting record speaks for itself. Basically my approach is to vote for whoever I think will do most good or against anyone I think is harming my country.

Which is why this election I plan to vote for whoever has most chance of unseating the current government.

How many far left people do you know who are pro-military and police?

You come across as far-left to me too, its all the policies you would like to see that does it.

Just to show you what are your views on Brexit, immigration, gender identity politics, religion, privatisation, benefits, and how criminals should be dealt with?

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2 hours ago, Duke Wellington said:

You come across as far-left to me too, its all the policies you would like to see that does it.

 

Well you come across as a raving loony to me half the time so...

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Just to show you what are your views on Brexit, immigration, gender identity politics, religion, privatisation, benefits, and how criminals should be dealt with?

Brexit: bad idea, poorly executed

Immigration: a certain amount is good but it's important we know who is arriving. We should take in refugees in line with international law but should not take in those using asylum as cover for economic migration.

Gender identity politics: I don't know what you mean by "politics". My view on gender identity is that, in line with the current research on the topic, gender and biological sex are different and may not match. Using someone's preferred pronoun does me no harm and means a lot to them so why wouldn't I? But I don't have pronouns in my email signature at work.

Religion: my view is it has nothing to do with politics. Believe what you like or don't.

Privatisation: depends on the area. Some industries I think would be better in public ownership, some in private. Too much of any extreme is bad.

Benefits: We're a civilised society and should act like one. That means looking after those who fall on hard times. But no one should bring in more by not working than if they were working. 

Crime: I believe criminals should be dealt with in whatever way most reduces the likelihood of reoffending, while proportionate to the crime. Research suggests that for petty crime, that usually isn't prison but for more serious crimes and some people it is. It should be considered case by case. I oppose the death penalty because even one mistake is too many.

Any other questions?

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1 minute ago, Setton said:

Well you come across as a raving loony to me half the time so...

Brexit: bad idea, poorly executed

Immigration: a certain amount is good but it's important we know who is arriving. We should take in refugees in line with international law but should not take in those using asylum as cover for economic migration.

Gender identity politics: I don't know what you mean by "politics". My view on gender identity is that, in line with the current research on the topic, gender and biological sex are different and may not match. Using someone's preferred pronoun does me no harm and means a lot to them so why wouldn't I? But I don't have pronouns in my email signature at work.

Religion: my view is it has nothing to do with politics. Believe what you like or don't.

Privatisation: depends on the area. Some industries I think would be better in public ownership, some in private. Too much of any extreme is bad.

Benefits: We're a civilised society and should act like one. That means looking after those who fall on hard times. But no one should bring in more by not working than if they were working. 

Crime: I believe criminals should be dealt with in whatever way most reduces the likelihood of reoffending, while proportionate to the crime. Research suggests that for petty crime, that usually isn't prison but for more serious crimes and some people it is. It should be considered case by case. I oppose the death penalty because even one mistake is too many.

Any other questions?

Lefty, not communist, but on the left.

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4 minutes ago, Duke Wellington said:

Lefty, not communist, but on the left.

So using you as a reference point, basically Farage, got it.

In your view, what would be a centrist viewpoint on those issues and what would be a right wing view?

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17 hours ago, Setton said:

Yes, yes I'm so far left 🙄 That's why my voting record is once a right wing party, twice a centrist party and once a left wing party.

I would be genuinely interested to know what right wing values and ideas persuaded you to vote for a right wing party in the past?

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6 minutes ago, Setton said:

So using you as a reference point, basically Farage, got it.

In your view, what would be a centrist viewpoint on those issues and what would be a right wing view?

Dunno about Duke but I;d say you views are failry centralist (and not a million miles away from mine).

I'd say a typical right wing opinion would be that Brexit was the best thing to have happened since Britain ruled the world, and was carried out with absolute perfection; all immigrants should be sent back to France where they belong; there are only 2 genders;  our religion is absolutely right, everyone else's is totally wrong; privatisation is necessary in all cases where we can't make money our of the public sector; benefits should only be given to those who work hard and thus deserve them; and criminals should be locked up for life in all cases, preferably in private prisons owned by my mate from school.

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10 minutes ago, L.A.T.1961 said:

I would be genuinely interested to know what right wing values and ideas persuaded you to vote for a right wing party in the past?

Honestly couldn't remember the detail of it now. It was the 2010 election, when the conservatives were right wing rather than their current far right incarnation. I remember that the financial crisis played a part in my decision but afraid I don't remember much more than that. It was the first election I voted in and, same as every one since, I read over the manifestos and went for the one I thought would be best for the country.

If you're interested, my record is Conservative, labour, lib dem, lib dem since 2010. Although that last one was tactical more than anything.

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27 minutes ago, Setton said:

So using you as a reference point, basically Farage, got it.

In your view, what would be a centrist viewpoint on those issues and what would be a right wing view?

My assessment of your views:

Brexit: This is cloudy in Scotland and Northern Ireland due to independence movements. So, I will focus on England. In England the left were against Brexit, the centre and right largely for it.

Immigration: You do actually sound centre right there.

Gender Identity Politics: You have introduced the scientific fallacy of the far-left with this one.

Religion: With this I meant do you believe traditional Christian values should play a role in society? I`ll pencil you in for now as left, which is no.

Privatisation: You are centre left, not we have a new Tsar territory, but on the right they want things like the NHS privatised even if they suspend that view in elections.

Benefits: I will place you centre there, the left want higher benefits, the right want rid of benefits.

Crime: You are left on this too, a right position would be to get a lot of them hanged.

Overall you come out as a lefty. You may vote right in an election if Lib or Lab have gone too far to the left for your comfort. But you would generally vote for one of the two, most likely Labour.

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6 minutes ago, Duke Wellington said:

My assessment of your views:

As I say, you're one of the most right wing here so I'm not particularly interested in your assessment of my views.

Still waiting for your response to my question. I did you the courtesy of a thought out reply, you can do the same.

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