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Terror attack in Moscow. 40 killed, over 100 injured at concert hall


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9 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

Well they certainly wouldn't have a problem doing so to you or worse!

Maybe if you were there on 10/7 they would have shown you kindness,and let you sit and watch the show...

I highly doubt it though...

So you're falling back on the old "all Arabs/Muslims are terrorists". 

How original.

Of course, you're completely ignoring the content of my post because it undermines your prejudice. But I didn't expect much else.

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Just now, Setton said:

So you're falling back on the old "all Arabs/Muslims are terrorists". 

How original.

Of course, you're completely ignoring the content of my post because it undermines your prejudice. But I didn't expect much else.

Nope not at all,but I always enjoy the ol race card approach...it means "I've got nothing else"

Classic!

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Just now, CrimsonKing said:

Nope not at all,but I always enjoy the ol race card approach...it means "I've got nothing else"

Classic!

You literally said people in that part of the world "aren't wired for democracy". 

It's not a card when you come right out and say it.

A far better sign of "I've got nothing else" is when someone refuses to acknowledge the content of a post to fall back on stereotypes and prejudice.

You're also ignoring the country of Jordan which again undermines your prejudice.

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Just now, Setton said:

You literally said people in that part of the world "aren't wired for democracy". 

It's not a card when you come right out and say it.

A far better sign of "I've got nothing else" is when someone refuses to acknowledge the content of a post to fall back on stereotypes and prejudice.

You're also ignoring the country of Jordan which again undermines your prejudice.

I love how you cropped out where I LITERALLY said WESTERN Democracy...

I did say they aren't cut out for WESTERN DEMOCRACY...gotta try a little bit harder Einstein 😆 

Not going to waste anymore of either of our time 😉

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12 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

I love how you cropped out where I LITERALLY said WESTERN Democracy...

I did say they aren't cut out for WESTERN DEMOCRACY...gotta try a little bit harder Einstein 😆 

Because it's less racist to say a particular ethnic group is incapable of a specific kind of democracy...

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Not going to waste anymore of either of our time 😉

The other classic sign someone else knows they've no response.

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19 hours ago, Setton said:

Great way to give them a perfect recruiting tool and achieve absolutely nothing. Israel has tried this threat before. Hamas, in that instance, found it funny more than terrifying.

According to Islamic law, if you et fed to pigs you go to hell 100%.  ISIS wouldn't like that.  HAMAS don't believe in anything, so they won't care, but they deserve to be fed to pigs regardless.  It will have an deterrent effect on a lot of Muslim believers however.  It was pioneered by the British in Sudan.  It worked quite well in areas where the rule was applied, but the locals protested that it was barbaric, and so it was retracted and the British lost Sudan.  I think terrorism is far more barbaric than feeding a mass murderer to pigs.

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4 minutes ago, Alchopwn said:

According to Islamic law, if you et fed to pigs you go to hell 100%.  ISIS wouldn't like that.  HAMAS don't believe in anything, so they won't care, but they deserve to be fed to pigs regardless.  It will have an deterrent effect on a lot of Muslim believers however.  It was pioneered by the British in Sudan.  It worked quite well in areas where the rule was applied, but the locals protested that it was barbaric, and so it was retracted and the British lost Sudan.  I think terrorism is far more barbaric than feeding a mass murderer to pigs.

It's also against islamic law to kill yourself and that doesn't stop ISIS' suicide bombers.

As the IDF officer I quoted previously said, they'll just find a cleric willing to say "doesn't count" and they're sorted.

It's an idea only matched in its idiocy by its barbarity.

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Just now, Setton said:

It's also against islamic law to kill yourself and that doesn't stop ISIS' suicide bombers.

As the IDF officer I quoted previously said, they'll just find a cleric willing to say "doesn't count" and they're sorted.

It's an idea only matched in its idiocy by its barbarity.

Are you fully aware that when one Islamic cleric contradicts the teaching of another, especially within a militant organization, it leads to vicious sectarian infighting?  Divide et impera.

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2 minutes ago, Alchopwn said:

Are you fully aware that when one Islamic cleric contradicts the teaching of another, especially within a militant organization, it leads to vicious sectarian infighting?  Divide et impera.

Yes, behold the vicious sectarian infighting between ISIS factions over the eligibility of the new caliph...

Lasted about 5 minutes.

Extremist groups reinterpret theology all the time to their own ends. It occasionally leads to a small splinter movement but the core typically continues unchanged.

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Just now, Setton said:

Yes, behold the vicious sectarian infighting between ISIS factions over the eligibility of the new caliph...

Lasted about 5 minutes.

Well, the insurgency in Algeria was completely destroyed by infighting.  Look it up.  

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2 minutes ago, Alchopwn said:

Well, the insurgency in Algeria was completely destroyed by infighting.  Look it up.  

And the one we're discussing has weathered plenty without issue. Look it up.

While you're at it, find a source for your claim about the British in Sudan. I haven't found any support for your claim.

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Just now, Setton said:

And the one we're discussing has weathered plenty without issue. Look it up.

While you're at it, find a source for your claim about the British in Sudan. I haven't found any support for your claim.

It was during the 1950s.  I read about it decades ago.  I believe a similar policy was used against the Mau Mau uprising in Kenya, where Muslim populations were involved in the insurgency.

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Just now, Alchopwn said:

It was during the 1950s.  I read about it decades ago.  I believe a similar policy was used against the Mau Mau uprising in Kenya, where Muslim populations were involved in the insurgency.

Then provide your sources. 

While you're there you can provide the passage of the Qur'an you believe means your body being eaten by pigs will condemn you to hell despite your martyrdom.

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The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4 different places. It is prohibited in suras 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.

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1 minute ago, Alchopwn said:

The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4 different places. It is prohibited in suras 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.

Oh I was so hoping that would be your reference.

Let's read the whole passages together class:

Surah 2:173

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He has only forbidden to you dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah . But whoever is forced [by necessity], neither desiring [it] nor transgressing [its limit], there is no sin upon him. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

Surah 5:3

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5:3) Forbidden to you are carrion,9 blood, the flesh of swine, the animal slaughtered in any name other than Allah's,10 the animal which has either been strangled, killed by blows, has died of a fall, by goring or that devoured by a beast of prey - unless it be that which you yourselves might have slaughtered while it was still alive11 - and that which was slaughtered at the altars.12-13 You are also forbidden to seek knowledge of your fate by divining arrows.14 All these are sinful acts. This day the unbelievers have fully despaired of your religion. Do not fear them; but fear Me.15 This day I have perfected for you your religion, and have bestowed upon you My bounty in full measure, and have been pleased to assign for you Islam as your religion. (Follow, then, the lawful and unlawful bounds enjoined upon you.)16 As for he who is driven by hunger, without being wilfully inclined to sin, surely Allah is All-Forgiving, All-Compassionate.17

Surah 6:145

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Tell them (O Muhammad!): 'I do not find in what has been revealed to me anything forbidden for anyone who wants to eat unless it is carrion, outpoured blood and the flesh of swine, all of which is unclean; or that which is profane having been slaughtered in a name other than that of Allah.121 But whosoever is constrained to it by necessity - neither desiring to disobey nor exceeding the limit of necessity - your Lord is surely AllForgiving, All-Compassionate.

Surah 16:115

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He has only forbidden you ˹to eat˺ carrion, blood, swine,1 and what is slaughtered in the name of any other than Allah. But if someone is compelled by necessity—neither driven by desire nor exceeding immediate need—then surely Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

So we have two issues with your claims:

1. The are about Muslims eating pork, not their mortal remains being fed to pigs. So you are making that leap without religious foundation.

2. Given that all four Surahs say that eating pork is entirely forgiven if driven by need or force, do you really think being fed to pigs by your enemies after death would not equally be forgiven?

You're out of your depth. And this is still very shallow. I seriously doubt your claims to have worked extensively with Muslims off the back of this thread.

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Just now, Setton said:

Oh I was so hoping that would be your reference.

Let's read the whole passages together class:

Surah 2:173

Surah 5:3

Surah 6:145

Surah 16:115

So we have two issues with your claims:

1. The are about Muslims eating pork, not their mortal remains being fed to pigs. So you are making that leap without religious foundation.

2. Given that all four Surahs say that eating pork is entirely forgiven if driven by need or force, do you really think being fed to pigs by your enemies after death would not equally be forgiven?

You're out of your depth. And this is still very shallow. I seriously doubt your claims to have worked extensively with Muslims off the back of this thread.

Actually no.  You are obviously not aware of the ramifications of how these suras are interpreted under Sharia jurisprudence, and what they mean in their broader Islamic legal context, and have done for 15 centuries.  The impurity of pigs and pig products is complete and anathema.  To be eaten by the most unclean animal is to face impurity.  For this reason the utmost care must be taken than no human body be consumed by a pig in Islam, as it is then permanently impure and incapable of entering Paradise.  Most of this info can be found with a few keyword searches, and you expect me to spoon feed you. In any case, you seem intent on attacking my character, because my personal experience is vastly different to your own as a "useful idiot" cultivated by Muslims who despise you, but would lose the utility you provide if they said so to your face.  I know being told this makes you face more cognitive dissonance than you feel comfortable with, but that is helpful to you in the longer term.  Wait and see.  PM me when you're ready to apologize, I can't be bothered with you until then.

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2 minutes ago, Alchopwn said:

Actually no.  You are obviously not aware of the ramifications of how these suras are interpreted under Sharia jurisprudence, and what they mean in their broader Islamic legal context, and have done for 15 centuries.  The impurity of pigs and pig products is complete and anathema.  To be eaten by the most unclean animal is to face impurity.  For this reason the utmost care must be taken than no human body be consumed by a pig in Islam, as it is then permanently impure and incapable of entering Paradise.  Most of this info can be found with a few keyword searches, and you expect me to spoon feed you.

Funny. Because I did look for anything backing your claims before asking you to back them yourself.

Which you can't. And I didn't find anything either.

So on the one hand, we have someone who can't provide a source for a single claim, doesn't even know the next line of the Qur'an after the Surah he's rapidly googled to try and back a failed argument and doesn't seem to know the basic principles of Islamic law.

On the other hand, I've provided religious justifications and real world examples for each point I've made.

Gosh, hard to know who might know more about this.

Oh but of course, you've "worked with Muslims around the world". Tell me, did you try actually talking to any or just come up with ways to desecrate their remains?

Your personal experience certainly is vastly different to mine.

Mine isn't fictional.

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