HUR debunks Kremlin's claim of Crocus City Hall shooters heading to Ukraine

[Grim Reaper 6]

“A full-scale war has been going on for more than two years, and the border areas are saturated with enemy troops, special agents, representatives of special services, and security forces. The borderline is mined, and surveillance is conducted by all means, including aerial reconnaissance, on both sides. Such regions as Belgorod and Kursk are now a zone of active hostilities after the recent events. And, of course, this version does not stand up to criticism, everyone in the world understands this, except perhaps the zombie Russian population.”

HUR debunks Kremlin's claim of Crocus City Hall shooters heading to Ukraine (msn.com)

[Tatetopa]

I saw today that all four were arrested.  Taken alive even.  What are the odds of that?

[Grim Reaper 6]

5 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

I saw today that all four were arrested.  Taken alive even.  What are the odds of that?

Sounds like complete BS to me, I am thinking more and more that this was a false flag operation. Carried out by Putin to divert attention away from his problems in the Ukraine and across Russia. I also think he is planning to raise the stakes in the Ukraine and by trying to blame them he can garner more support from Russians when he expands his asks for more recruits. 

Edited March 24 by Grim Reaper 6

[Tatetopa]

10 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

Sounds like complete BS to me, I am thinking more and more that this was a false flag operation. Carried out by Putin to divert attention away from his problems in the Ukraine and across Russia. I also think he is planning to raise the stakes in the Ukraine and by trying to blame them he can garner more support from Russians when he expands his asks for more recruits. 

 Russia has world condemnation for actively and repeatedly targeting civilians in Ukraine.  Ukraine has so far avoided massacres of Russian civilians. It makes so little sense for Ukraine to be involved in this and lose world sympathy, funding from allies and the ability to remain free.  It makes perfect sense for Russia to sacrifice a few more in the meat wave for a splashy  bid to distract from their policies and gain world sympathy.  Russia need s more from its citizens, this will make it easier to get. 

It is not the first time. I think Russia has long been accused of Moscow apartment bombings they blamed on the Chechens to get that war started.

[Essan]

I do find the quick capture of the alleged culprits highly suspicious.  And the whole event does work very well in Putins favour - bearing in mind too that he has totally and utter disregard for the Russian people. 

[Grim Reaper 6]

31 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

 Russia has world condemnation for actively and repeatedly targeting civilians in Ukraine.  Ukraine has so far avoided massacres of Russian civilians. It makes so little sense for Ukraine to be involved in this and lose world sympathy, funding from allies and the ability to remain free.

I totally agree with you Tate, it certainly makes no sense all.  I don't believe that President Zelinsky would order an attack on the civilian population like this. Because like you said it would completely turn the global community against the Ukraine

31 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

  It makes perfect sense for Russia to sacrifice a few more in the meat wave for a splashy  bid to distract from their policies and gain world sympathy.  Russia need s more from its citizens, this will make it easier to get.

I don't believe that Vladimir Putin actually ordered this attack, I believe it was actually a terrorist attack carried out by ISIS-K. What I do believe is that the attackers were killed not captured they were killed, and that Putin has used the terrorist attack as propaganda to blame the Ukraine. I believe that the people who were captured by the Russians were planted by the Russians. Nothing else makes sense when you consider what has occurred!!

31 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

It is not the first time. I think Russia has long been accused of Moscow apartment bombings they blamed on the Chechens to get that war started.

Yea I remember that situation, I suppose in Putin's mind even a tragedy is fair game to further his propaganda!!

[Grim Reaper 6]

8 minutes ago, Essan said:

I do find the quick capture of the alleged culprits highly suspicious.  And the whole event does work very well in Putins favour - bearing in mind too that he has totally and utter disregard for the Russian people. 

I don't believe that ISIS-K would take responsibility for the massacre if they were not responsible for carrying it out. The fact that the attackers survived the event and allowed themselves to be captured is a Red Flag. More than likely Putin has substituted Russians for the dead terrorists in an attempt to create an environment of propaganda and to discredit the Ukrainians.

[Megaro]

I am linking to an article in the UK Mirror that I do not like, but feel is important.  The Russians are fleshing out their narrative of Ukraine's direct link to the terrorist attack with specific details about the escape.  An excerpt from the article: 

The group [the shooters] en route to Ukraine were apprehended by Chechen fighters loyal to close Putin ally and warlord Ramzan Kadyrov.

“Chechen fighters arrived at the given coordinates to the place where they were searching for terrorists around 3am and immediately began combing the area together with the FSB [special forces] and soldiers of the Leningrad Military District," he said. "They successfully completed their task of capturing the killers alive, despite the risks.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/moscow-massacre-suspects-pictured-reveal-32423992

Edited March 24 by Megaro
clarity

[TigerBright19]

On a related note, the failed London bombings on 21 July 2005 resulted in a 7 day manhunt to find the 4 suspects.  All were arrested alive.  One of them was found and arrested in Rome, Italy.  Sadly London police had accidently shot dead a civilian during the week long manhunt.

Curious to know who carried out the 2004 Madrid bombing which killed 193.  It happened 3 days before their elections and there was great controversy on who did it.

 

[Tatetopa]

Just an observation.  Russia is saying these four could face life in prison.  It seems lenient to me, I think we would ask for the death penalty in the US.  At the same time over in China, directors of Evergrande and other large Real Estate companies could face the death penalty for financial fraud. 

[Grim Reaper 6]

3 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

Just an observation.  Russia is saying these four could face life in prison.  It seems lenient to me, I think we would ask for the death penalty in the US.  At the same time over in China, directors of Evergrande and other large Real Estate companies could face the death penalty for financial fraud. 

Russia kills its own people all the time for disagreements, why in the hell would they sentence mass murders to life in prison? I have no doubt at this point that the capture and subsequent accusations that they were in route to the Ukraine is false flag operation and nothing more.

If anyone believes this, please contact me, I have some Ocean front Property in Arizona that is very cheap!!!

Peace Tatetopa!!!!!!

[Ajay0]

It is really ironical. 

After 9/11, the most sensational terrorist attack of the twenty first century, Putin was the first world leader to call Bush and offer his grievances and condolences. He visited the US and conversed with firefighters at the site. He also became a willing, enthusiastic ally to the US led global war on terror. 

Two decades later, all the friendship and alliance have dissipated and the Russians are now blaming Ukraine and possibly the US as well for the disaster.

[Tatetopa]

OK, I am a liberal that is suffering when I try to apply my "all people are the same" filter to Russia.  Gut punch me if you need to, its better than dying stupid.  How can Russian people sit back and accept all of this as their lot without objecting more?  Nearly half millions of their sons are dead, there will be a hole in future generations just like WWII created. How can they let such an incompetent government subject them to pointless hardship year after year? How can an elite class of oligarchs be so corrupt they are willing to gut out their country for personal; wealth?  Are there no expectations of moral behavior, integrity, or honesty at all?  

[Grim Reaper 6]

22 minutes ago, Ajay0 said:

It is really ironical. 

After 9/11, the most sensational terrorist attack of the twenty first century, Putin was the first world leader to call Bush and offer his grievances and condolences. He visited the US and conversed with firefighters at the site. He also became a willing, enthusiastic ally to the US led global war on terror. 

Two decades later, all the friendship and alliance have dissipated and the Russians are now blaming Ukraine and possibly the US as well for the disaster.

Your right everything you said is true, but the then that the friendship and alliance has disintegrated. Simply because Vladimir Putin is a megalomaniac who wants to bring back the Soviet Union!!