Grim Reaper 6 Posted March 24, 2024 #1 Share Posted March 24, 2024 Atheists do not believe in God, gods, or any form of a religious afterlife. Instead, atheists often believe that this life is the only one you get. They deny what religious scripture, such as the Christian Bible or the Islamic Qur’an, says. However, as life does come to an end, many atheists have various views on what happens when they die. Because everybody is different, the idea of what occurs when life comes to an end can vary from one atheist to another. As many atheists believe that their death will result in eternal oblivion or nothingness, some feel death is a calm and peaceful experience. This is because eternal oblivion will result in the complete end of one’s consciousness — and one’s pain. Through death and eventual nothingness, they believe they will no longer experience pain. Though they do not necessarily desire death, it nonetheless frees them from human suffering. Scientists say that energy cannot be created — or destroyed. Therefore, when one dies, a body’s energy must go somewhere else. Scientists say this energy is redistributed into other forms upon one’s death. Some atheists believe their death brings about this transformation. Though they don’t believe in any afterlife, they believe their death simply transforms their energy into something else in the universe. What Atheists Believe Happens When Life Comes to an End (msn.com) 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted March 24, 2024 #2 Share Posted March 24, 2024 The body's energy? The body's energy is electricity. When the electricity stops, the chemical reactions that make the body 96.8 degrees cease. The heat dissipates. The body cools. Guess what? It is still a body. It decomposes slowly. Nature teaches us something different than religion. Nature teaches us that all individual life forms perish in time. Eventually the entire mechanism for the sustaining of life will break down and all life on the planet will perish. Who will consider the incredibly complicated beliefs of man then? It is only the beliefs of humans that take simplicity and make it complicated. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted March 24, 2024 Author #3 Share Posted March 24, 2024 7 minutes ago, joc said: The body's energy? The body's energy is electricity. When the electricity stops, the chemical reactions that make the body 96.8 degrees cease. The heat dissipates. The body cools. Guess what? It is still a body. It decomposes slowly. Nature teaches us something different than religion. Nature teaches us that all individual life forms perish in time. Eventually the entire mechanism for the sustaining of life will break down and all life on the planet will perish. Who will consider the incredibly complicated beliefs of man then? It is only the beliefs of humans that take simplicity and make it complicated. Your certainly right the human body is comprised of both thermal and electrical energy, even decomposition is a form energy. The question is where does the energy you described above go when we die? According to the first law of thermodynamics energy cannot be created or destroyed, to simplify things energy is continually recycled. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted March 24, 2024 #4 Share Posted March 24, 2024 2 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said: Your certainly right the human body is comprised of both thermal and electrical energy, even decomposition is a form energy. The question is where does the energy you described above go when we die? According to the first law of thermodynamics energy cannot be created or destroyed, to simplify things energy is continually recycled. Let me just change a couple of words in my previous post... 25 minutes ago, joc said: The body's car's energy is electricity. When the electricity stops, the chemical reactions that make the body 96.8 degrees car's engine 4500° cease. The heat dissipates. The body car cools. It decomposes rusts slowly. Guess what? It is still a body car. The car is comprised of both thermal and electrical energy, even rust is a form energy. The question is where does the energy described above go when the car's battery dies? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted March 24, 2024 Author #5 Share Posted March 24, 2024 6 minutes ago, joc said: Let me just change a couple of words in my previous post... The car is comprised of both thermal and electrical energy, even rust is a form energy. The question is where does the energy described above go when the car's battery dies? Like I said previously energy can't be created or destroyed, according to the first law of thermodynamics. As a form of energy is used the dynamics of that energy is only transformed. As an example: ""The first law asserts that if heat is recognized as a form of energy, then the total energy of a system plus its surroundings is conserved; in other words, the total energy of the universe remains constant."" Thermodynamics - Energy, Heat, Work | Britannica Hope this helps! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted March 24, 2024 #6 Share Posted March 24, 2024 Our bodies are made of molecules …which are made of atoms? We are atomic! I know our molecules change upon death…but what about our atoms? Stable, forever? Atomic decay? I’ve read..most atoms remain stable for the entire life of the universe??? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted March 24, 2024 #7 Share Posted March 24, 2024 Death is when a living organism loses thermodynamic equilibrium and devolves into a state of entropy. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted March 24, 2024 Author #8 Share Posted March 24, 2024 5 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said: Death is when a living organism loses thermodynamic equilibrium and devolves into a state of entropy. Very true!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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+joc Posted March 25, 2024 #10 Share Posted March 25, 2024 2 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said: Like I said previously energy can't be created or destroyed, according to the first law of thermodynamics. As a form of energy is used the dynamics of that energy is only transformed. As an example: ""The first law asserts that if heat is recognized as a form of energy, then the total energy of a system plus its surroundings is conserved; in other words, the total energy of the universe remains constant."" Thermodynamics - Energy, Heat, Work | Britannica Hope this helps! I didn't really need any help...but thanks! I'm not sure what that has to do with life and death but I figure it has something to do with reincarnation in your world view. It doesn't it mine. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted March 25, 2024 Author #11 Share Posted March 25, 2024 17 minutes ago, joc said: I didn't really need any help...but thanks! I'm not sure what that has to do with life and death but I figure it has something to do with reincarnation in your world view. It doesn't it mine. My comment was directed at subject we were discussing, what happens to the energy in our bodies when we die, it has nothing to do with Buddhism. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted March 25, 2024 #12 Share Posted March 25, 2024 1 hour ago, lightly said: Our bodies are made of molecules …which are made of atoms? We are atomic! I know our molecules change upon death…but what about our atoms? Stable, forever? Atomic decay? I’ve read..most atoms remain stable for the entire life of the universe??? I’m thinking stable, otherwise we’d have a lot of nuclear reactions. cormac 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor borocz johnson Posted March 25, 2024 #13 Share Posted March 25, 2024 Do voices or ghosts live on after your death? How would one ever find such a thing out? By fact checking with ghosts? They are FOS like all of the time? How do you trust them? What are your other options? Tell a doctor? Doctors don't have the answers. I think the only answer is there is no answer and what you take on as a belief, just like many of you and the bible, is what sets the stage for what happens with your thought train and coinciding hallucinations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor borocz johnson Posted March 25, 2024 #14 Share Posted March 25, 2024 Taking on new beliefs in a state of obviousness that you are taking on that belief feels kind of funny. here's another question that you set your beliefs to: Do ghosts respond for a purpose or is it just random moments on the background medium? or do you unconsciously create the moment by adjusting your auditory attention to listen? Your answer to these questions will set your beliefs. The naysayers would probably agree that when you turn a fan on you hear like 10 things said a minute, and when you turn it off that count drops drastically, so it probably is randomness on the background medium, you don't deserve to be called an ******* for some passing everyday thought, still why is the universe equipped with being a jerk? why does it whisper crap into your ear to p*** you off? what belief does it come from? is there a way out? hmmm.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor borocz johnson Posted March 25, 2024 #15 Share Posted March 25, 2024 Another problem is ghost or voices don't take on the same beliefs that I have evidence for. I call the dumb, they don't learn, I think they are going to evolve into a different purpose for mankind, perhaps like storytelling? That's their only present use to me is to spark story writing about fiction, usually ghost fiction, I kind of don't want to be reminded of it, even if it seemed cool, I can write my own fiction without them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted March 25, 2024 #16 Share Posted March 25, 2024 2 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said: My comment was directed at subject we were discussing, what happens to the energy in our bodies when we die, it has nothing to do with Buddhism. However, the context of this thread is what Atheists think happens when you die. Not...what happens when you die. The Laws of Thermodynamics don't change because of anyone's belief. To be more correct, it isn't the energy 'in' our bodies...it is the energy 'of' our bodies. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted March 25, 2024 #17 Share Posted March 25, 2024 The energy converts to heat which escapes the corpse until it reaches room temperature to equalise. Thermodynamics. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted March 25, 2024 Author #18 Share Posted March 25, 2024 46 minutes ago, joc said: However, the context of this thread is what Atheists think happens when you die. Not...what happens when you die. The Laws of Thermodynamics don't change because of anyone's belief. To be more correct, it isn't the energy 'in' our bodies...it is the energy 'of' our bodies. Dam, I participated in the derailment of my own thread, thanks JOC for getting us back on track!!!!! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted March 25, 2024 Author #19 Share Posted March 25, 2024 12 minutes ago, psyche101 said: The energy converts to heat which escapes the corpse until it reaches room temperature to equalize. Thermodynamics. Thats is exactly right, thanks!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor borocz johnson Posted March 25, 2024 #20 Share Posted March 25, 2024 42 minutes ago, joc said: To be more correct, it isn't the energy 'in' our bodies...it is the energy 'of' our bodies. Static field of energy like gravity and magnetic are what people seem to fantasize about, thinking that a blob of static cold or heat can exist on its own without mass creating it. Could be a spirit molecule that contains memory that when it attaches to a living balance system it can partially display a previous person. your belief may be 99% no but you have no evidence to the contrary. do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted March 25, 2024 #21 Share Posted March 25, 2024 As a Christian, i believe its standard teaching that our bodies, and any energy therein, have zero to do with your afterlife. The soul/spirit has nothing to do with earthly energy, or mass. Its like asking where your happy, or sad, goes. Theres zero observable change of the body with death that can be related to a soul/spirit leaving. At least AFAIK. People have tried, and all failed. Our bodies work completely on chemical energy. Even the "electrical" impulses people talk about require chemical transmitters between the nerve cells. When we die, the chemical reactions quickly stop. Oxygen deprivation, i think, actually kills most of the cells, after the lungs stop functioning. So the energy just gradually dissipates into the surrounding environment. Assuming a body just left alone, anyway. Death does end earthly suffering. Spiritual suffering might only just be starting however. But, each is free to poo-poo anything they like. Death shouldn't be feared, unless you think you have some reason to fear it. In which case youre probably not an atheist, and probably need to seek forgiveness. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted March 25, 2024 #22 Share Posted March 25, 2024 7 hours ago, trevor borocz johnson said: Static field of energy like gravity and magnetic are what people seem to fantasize about, thinking that a blob of static cold or heat can exist on its own without mass creating it. Could be a spirit molecule that contains memory that when it attaches to a living balance system it can partially display a previous person. your belief may be 99% no but you have no evidence to the contrary. do you? I have only my thoughts about anything Trevor. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted March 25, 2024 #23 Share Posted March 25, 2024 Life will go on without me. That's what'll happen. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted March 25, 2024 Author #24 Share Posted March 25, 2024 25 minutes ago, joc said: I have only my thoughts about anything Trevor. Dude your certainly not the only one!!!!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted March 25, 2024 #25 Share Posted March 25, 2024 16 hours ago, cormac mac airt said: I’m thinking stable, otherwise we’d have a lot of nuclear reactions. cormac Thanks cormac, so a coffin is just full of a pile of stable atoms? kiddin, I was reading a bit about radioactive decay..atomic Fusion..(part of the process in star formation?) and many other ways atoms can and do change. And I’m sure your familiar with all of that. ..wish I could think of a way to make this seem on topic. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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