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What Atheists Believe Happens When Life Comes to an End


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5 hours ago, joc said:

I have only my thoughts about anything Trevor. 

What are your thoughts on motion being like gravity? The spinning motion of a fan or the vibrating motion of your balance system might be attractive to the ghost molecule of memory DNA? Sort of like a star's core, the hot remnants of emotional death? or maybe emotion is the one thing that lives on in the DNA? Ghosts seem very emotional. This is all just my thoughts as well Joc.

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1 minute ago, trevor borocz johnson said:

What are your thoughts on motion being like gravity? The spinning motion of a fan or the vibrating motion of your balance system might be attractive to the ghost molecule of memory DNA? Sort of like a star's core, the hot remnants of emotional death? or maybe emotion is the one thing that lives on in the DNA? Ghosts seem very emotional. This is all just my thoughts as well Joc.

My thoughts on motion?  Things move.  My thoughts on gravity?  We don't really understand what it is.  My thoughts on Ghost Molecules?  I think that you just made that up out of whole cloth.  My thoughts on ghosts?  They don't exist.  My thoughts on DNA?  It isn't a living entity.  My thoughts on Emotion?  Emotion is a chemical reaction in the brain caused by an incredibly large number of sequences.  My thoughts on ...a star's core being like the hot remnants of emotional death?  Not only do I not have a clue what you are talking about, I don't think you do either. :)

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6 minutes ago, joc said:

My thoughts on motion?  Things move.  My thoughts on gravity?  We don't really understand what it is.  My thoughts on Ghost Molecules?  I think that you just made that up out of whole cloth.  My thoughts on ghosts?  They don't exist.  My thoughts on DNA?  It isn't a living entity.  My thoughts on Emotion?  Emotion is a chemical reaction in the brain caused by an incredibly large number of sequences.  My thoughts on ...a star's core being like the hot remnants of emotional death?  Not only do I not have a clue what you are talking about, I don't think you do either. :)

yeah, no a little spirit ball of DNA. It doesn't need water Joc, it doesn't need to take a crap. ? Its just a remnance of your life's emotional memory? C'mon I'm doing all the work here, make sumthing up or I'm bowing out.

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23 minutes ago, trevor borocz johnson said:

yeah, no a little spirit ball of DNA. It doesn't need water Joc, it doesn't need to take a crap. ? Its just a remnance of your life's emotional memory? C'mon I'm doing all the work here, make sumthing up or I'm bowing out.

I don't make things up Trevor.  I don't think DNA holds emotional memory.  My understanding of DNA is something other than your understanding.

Btw, making stuff up isn't work.  It's a waste of everyone's time...including yours.  Why make stuff up when actually learning about reality is so much fun? 

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14 minutes ago, joc said:

I don't make things up Trevor.  I don't think DNA holds emotional memory.  My understanding of DNA is something other than your understanding.

Btw, making stuff up isn't work.  It's a waste of everyone's time...including yours.  Why make stuff up when actually learning about reality is so much fun? 

Good luck not making stuff up and playing music Joc. you make a lot of sense. thpt

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5 minutes ago, trevor borocz johnson said:

Good luck not making stuff up and playing music Joc. you make a lot of sense. thpt

That I write songs is a fact, I didn't make it up.  And I don't make up facts regarding reality.  Creating music is considered art.  Creating facts with regards to reality...not so much.

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4 hours ago, trevor borocz johnson said:

So by show of emoji or comments, how many of you would consider yourselves right there with the people who voted to execute Jesus? 

I'd consider myself with the disciples.

But... Jesus went willingly. He KNEW it was going to happen. HAD to happen. Told everyone it would happen. He knew what Judas was planning and basically gave him the nod to proceed.

The Roman Pilate basically said, "Look give me a reason to let you go", and Jesus said nothing.

Mathew 27

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23 “Why? What crime has he committed?” asked Pilate.

 

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On 3/25/2024 at 7:11 AM, Grim Reaper 6 said:

Atheists do not believe in God, gods, or any form of a religious afterlife.

I don't either and I'm not of any religion or an atheist I don't think. I don't know what happens to our being once we die, nobody does but I have seen a green mist rise out of bodies on death, one a dog, the other human. I have no answer for what this was but it was heading upwards and makes me think we return to be part of the universe somehow. Our bodies obviously rot but our life force, spirit, soul whatever you want to call it goes somewhere when we are through here. Not going to appeal to the science minded but who cares.

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Whatever happens to humans when they die is no different to what happens to mice when they die.   Or fruit flies.   Is there a fruit fly heaven?

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2 hours ago, openozy said:

I don't either and I'm not of any religion or an atheist I don't think. I don't know what happens to our being once we die, nobody does but I have seen a green mist rise out of bodies on death, one a dog, the other human. I have no answer for what this was but it was heading upwards and makes me think we return to be part of the universe somehow. Our bodies obviously rot but our life force, spirit, soul whatever you want to call it goes somewhere when we are through here. Not going to appeal to the science minded but who cares.

Buddhist also do not believe in any omnipotent deities'; we believe that the human body is just shell that is recycled when die. We also do not believe in souls, or spirits what we choose reincarnation and that our life force transfers into the new born. 

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6 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

Buddhist also do not believe in any omnipotent deities'; we believe that the human body is just shell that is recycled when die. We also do not believe in souls, or spirits what we choose reincarnation and that our life force transfers into the new born. 

I wonder what the difference is?  

 

8 hours ago, Essan said:

Whatever happens to humans when they die is no different to what happens to mice when they die.   Or fruit flies.   Is there a fruit fly heaven?

    If there is a heaven,, there is probably only One heaven ?    So, I’m thinking that ,since a lot more fruit flys, and mice, have passed on than people ,if there is a heaven… ; there’s a Lot of mice and fruit flys in it. ?   🤔       …maybe not.  😇

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49 minutes ago, lightly said:

I wonder what the difference is? 

I will try to simplify things to the best of my ability, however in this area I often get confused. In my previous comment I used the word life force well that wasn't correct, I believe that rebirth and consciousness should have been used to describe the energy transfer after death. I am sorry for the confusion, but I am still trying to learn how this entire process occurs. What I am completely certain of is that the process is Karma driven. Buddhists believe that until someone has purified their Karma rebirth and the transfer of consciousness will continue. I doubt I have fully answered your question, but I am not able to go any further at this time. I sincerely hope you understand, but I will check into this further.

49 minutes ago, lightly said:

 

    If there is a heaven,, there is probably only One heaven ?    So, I’m thinking that ,since a lot more fruit flys, and mice, have passed on than people ,if there is a heaven… ; there’s a Lot of mice and fruit flys in it. ?   🤔       …maybe not.  😇

 

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Energy used to be the end all and be all of how we understood the universe.  I think information theory is now beginning to play a part in defining the universe.  Black hole size can be described as a measure of how much information can be stored on the event horizon. The information we contain may be a critical to our being as that energy.  Is there conservation of information, or does it dissipate into entropy?

If you are longing for connection, it might help to remember that molecules are a  lot closer to infinite lifespan than we are.  Heavier elements in our body were once part of the core of a star.  A water molecule in our blood migh have brushed up against th ebody of a swimming trilobite or slaked the thirst of a hunting Tyrannosaur.  After us, it may wind up in a being we haven't even imagined yet on the evolutionary path.  Transition and change mayu be more characteristic of the universe than unchanging states or immortality.

 

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19 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

I will try to simplify things to the best of my ability, however in this area I often get confused. In my previous comment I used the word life force well that wasn't correct, I believe that rebirth and consciousness should have been used to describe the energy transfer after death. I am sorry for the confusion, but I am still trying to learn how this entire process occurs. What I am completely certain of is that the process is Karma driven. Buddhists believe that until someone has purified their Karma rebirth and the transfer of consciousness will continue. I doubt I have fully answered your question, but I am not able to go any further at this time. I sincerely hope you understand, but I will check into this further.

 

 I didn’t mean to put you on the spot Grim :)     Thanks bud,    all I know is that I don’t know.     I just wonder about everything.. peace.

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7 minutes ago, lightly said:

 I didn’t mean to put you on the spot Grim :)     Thanks bud,    all I know is that I don’t know.     I just wonder about everything.. peace.

You certainly didn't put me on the spot, I should know the answer to that question it's my fault. I just wish I could be more helpful; however, rebirth is like a train station many different routes end and begin there and it becomes complicated trying answer the central question without explaining the others first.

Peace to you lightly and thanks for understanding really appreciate it!:tu:

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1 hour ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

I will try to simplify things to the best of my ability, however in this area I often get confused. In my previous comment I used the word life force well that wasn't correct, I believe that rebirth and consciousness should have been used to describe the energy transfer after death. I am sorry for the confusion, but I am still trying to learn how this entire process occurs. What I am completely certain of is that the process is Karma driven. Buddhists believe that until someone has purified their Karma rebirth and the transfer of consciousness will continue. I doubt I have fully answered your question, but I am not able to go any further at this time. I sincerely hope you understand, but I will check into this further.

Some Zen practitioners believe your life-force joins with the Universe's and you becomes part of Ki. 

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20 minutes ago, Piney said:

Some Zen practitioners believe your life-force joins with the Universe's and you becomes part of Ki. 

I have heard this before, and for me it just makes the entire subject more confusing. However, they may certainly be correct, but I believe that this can only occur after they have purified their Karma so that they move past the rebirth cycle. :yes:

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38 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

I have heard this before, and for me it just makes the entire subject more confusing. However, they may certainly be correct, but I believe that this can only occur after they have purified their Karma so that they move past the rebirth cycle. :yes:

I believe your personality no longer exists. Personality is genetic. You just become energy. 

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1 minute ago, Piney said:

I believe your personality no longer exists. Personality is genetic. You just become energy. 

I certainly agree that an individual's personality doesn't exist any longer, however I am not certain that personality is genetic. But even if it is many people who believe that they have experienced rebirth or reincarnation do have memories of their past lives. in most cases these memories consist of reoccurring dreams, however that isn't always the case. Some people claim to experience memories while awake, and in most cases this is chalked off to Daja Voo! Could.

Now I am not saying that anything a posted above is a certainty, because I am still kind of on the fence myself. However, I want to believe rebirth is a reality, but I do not want to die to find out!!!!!

Peace my brother!!!:tu:

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23 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

I certainly agree that an individual's personality doesn't exist any longer, however I am not certain that personality is genetic. But even if it is many people who believe that they have experienced rebirth or reincarnation do have memories of their past lives. in most cases these memories consist of reoccurring dreams, however that isn't always the case. Some people claim to experience memories while awake, and in most cases this is chalked off to Daja Voo! Could.

Now I am not saying that anything a posted above is a certainty, because I am still kind of on the fence myself. However, I want to believe rebirth is a reality, but I do not want to die to find out!!!!!

Peace my brother!!!:tu:

I don't believe in karma in the next life. Only consequences in this one. I've also studied past life research and found it to be wanting or outright BS. 

 

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16 minutes ago, Piney said:

I don't believe in karma in the next life. Only consequences in this one. I've also studied past life research and found it to be wanting or outright BS. 

 

That’s cool, this is where faith comes into the conversation and if rebirth doesn’t happen then Karma certainly can’t follow one into the next life. So, I can’t really disagree with you, because like I said in a previous post I am still on the fence and I don’t know if I will ever fully understand and except it.

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2 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

That’s cool, this is where faith comes into the conversation and if rebirth doesn’t happen then Karma certainly can’t follow one into the next life. So, I can’t really disagree with you, because like I said in a previous post I am still on the fence and I don’t know if I will ever fully understand and except it.

Procreation happens.  It doesn't happen except for one way.  If we get to choose a body to be rebirthed in how are their 8 billion humans when originally there weren't many at all?

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5 minutes ago, joc said:

Procreation happens.  It doesn't happen except for one way.  If we get to choose a body to be rebirthed in how are their 8 billion humans when originally there weren't many at all?

We are reincarnated dinosaurs?

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1 minute ago, Piney said:

We are reincarnated dinosaurs. 

Hmmm...a new quirk in the evolution theory.

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On 3/25/2024 at 2:09 PM, joc said:

 

Btw, making stuff up isn't work.  It's a waste of everyone's time...including yours.  Why make stuff up when actually learning about reality is so much fun? 

👍👍👍

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