What Atheists Believe Happens When Life Comes to an End

[+joc]

7 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

https://www.eon.com/en/new-energy/new-energy-world/electricity-in-the-human-body.html#:~:text=Electrical signals can be generated,signals traveled through your body.

 

I should have worded my statement better.  There is no Spiritual Energy Flow. Which is the whole idea being presented by Guyver.

Chakras and this spiritual flow of 'energy'.  No. Blood flows. We are bio-electric beings.  Electricity flows.  Blood flows.  Chemicals flow.  

We have a vat full of oxygenated blood.  That patient is cold on the table with zero blood in his body.  The life is in the blood.  So, in the 'spiritual' world...the Spirit is in the blood.  We can literally take the body and cremate it now.  The blood in the vat is still alive.  We could transfuse that blood into several other patients.  What of the Spirit now.  Or we can just stop the oxygen and the blood will quickly die.  What of the Spirit then?

 

[+Liquid Gardens]

27 minutes ago, joc said:

I should have worded my statement better.  There is no Spiritual Energy Flow.

Been a long time since I've looked into it but it seems to be mainly the idea of how acupuncture 'works' that gets into the more questionable stuff. Ultimately I believe the original concept has to do with 'chi' and specific points on the body where placing the needles has some effect.  I think there have been studies that have supported that acupuncture can be helpful for some conditions, but I believe they've also found that it really doesn't matter much where you put the needles which I think makes the 'chi' flow explanation questionable as the reason for those benefits.

[TashaMarie]

On 3/24/2024 at 8:11 PM, Grim Reaper 6 said:

Atheists do not believe in God, gods, or any form of a religious afterlife. Instead, atheists often believe that this life is the only one you get. They deny what religious scripture, such as the Christian Bible or the Islamic Qur’an, says. However, as life does come to an end, many atheists have various views on what happens when they die. Because everybody is different, the idea of what occurs when life comes to an end can vary from one atheist to another. 

As many atheists believe that their death will result in eternal oblivion or nothingness, some feel death is a calm and peaceful experience. This is because eternal oblivion will result in the complete end of one’s consciousness — and one’s pain. Through death and eventual nothingness, they believe they will no longer experience pain. Though they do not necessarily desire death, it nonetheless frees them from human suffering.

Scientists say that energy cannot be created — or destroyed. Therefore, when one dies, a body’s energy must go somewhere else. Scientists say this energy is redistributed into other forms upon one’s death.  Some atheists believe their death brings about this transformation. Though they don’t believe in any afterlife, they believe their death simply transforms their energy into something else in the universe.

What Atheists Believe Happens When Life Comes to an End (msn.com)

  

You become a memory.

[Guyver]

1 hour ago, joc said:

The problem here Guyver is that you think you know things that you don't actually know.  There is no Energy Flow throughout the body.  

Let me explain exactly how acupuncture works.  It's pretty simple.  Suppose I stick a needle in your arm.  What will you do when I jab you?  You will pull your arm away.  That's it.  That's how it works.  The pain...the real pain...is when one's nerves are being touched.  Nerves don't like to be touched, and if your swollen muscle touches one, the nerve will tell your brain all about it in no uncertain terms!  So, by placing a needle in a particular spot, the end result is the muscle pulls away from the nerve...just like you pulled  your arm away from my needle.  The nerve is no longer being touched and is now a happy nerve and stops screaming at the top of it's lungs to the brain. 

There is no magic.  If you continue to make stuff up like WillDue, I will just stop talking to you.  You need to think about what you believe and stop trying to find confirmation of the absurd.

You will stop talking to me?  Drama Queen much?

[Guyver]

1 hour ago, joc said:

The problem here Guyver is that you think you know things that you don't actually know.  There is no Energy Flow throughout the body.  

 

Incorrect sir.  You think nerves work by magic?  Electrochemical reactions are energy forms Joc. The body receives, uses, and transforms energy just like a machine do, because it is a machine that’s works off of electrochemical energy.  I think it is you who have some to learn.  

[Grim Reaper 6]

24 minutes ago, TashaMarie said:

You become a memory.

Hopefully a positive memory!!!!!!!!

[+joc]

26 minutes ago, Guyver said:

Incorrect sir.  You think nerves work by magic?  Electrochemical reactions are energy forms Joc. The body receives, uses, and transforms energy just like a machine do, because it is a machine that’s works off of electrochemical energy.  I think it is you who have some to learn.  

It was my understanding you were talking about Spiritual this or that...you went from talking about an invisible mist to Chakras and Energy Flows. It's hard to keep up with another person's beliefs.  Of course energy flows through our bodies.  Blood. Nerves. Etc.

 

[+joc]

9 hours ago, XenoFish said:

Interestingly both optimism and pessimism are belief systems in a way. 

Whether one thinks they can or not, either way they are correct.

[+joc]

1 hour ago, Guyver said:

You will stop talking to me?  Drama Queen much?

 No, Drama is something I tend to just leave where it is.  Belief is a big drama queen.  I don't really know what you believe.  I don't really care to know.  One belief is just as valid as any other belief.  The drama of it all comes into play when assertions are made that beliefs could be true.  Obviously, the fact that they are beliefs indicates they cannot be proven to be true.  Provable Truth is knowledge.  Belief is a state of not knowing.

I'm a patient guy, I just tire of the pull it out of thin air as you go belief variety.

[Guyver]

55 minutes ago, joc said:

It was my understanding you were talking about Spiritual this or that...you went from talking about an invisible mist to Chakras and Energy Flows. It's hard to keep up with another person's beliefs.  Of course energy flows through our bodies.  Blood. Nerves. Etc.

 

So what if I was talking about make believe spiritual energy?  Scientists used to believe in the ether. Maybe we are the sum of our parts, and our parts are comprised of eternity brother.

[Guyver]

Just now, joc said:

 No, Drama is something I tend to just leave where it is.  Belief is a big drama queen.  I don't really know what you believe.  I don't really care to know.  One belief is just as valid as any other belief.  The drama of it all comes into play when assertions are made that beliefs could be true.  Obviously, the fact that they are beliefs indicates they cannot be proven to be true.  Provable Truth is knowledge.  Belief is a state of not knowing.

I'm a patient guy, I just tire of the pull it out of thin air as you go belief variety.

You know, you grump and grouch….but I bet you would actually do pretty well in drama.  You could maybe make the cut for some community theater.

[Guyver]

4 minutes ago, joc said:

 

I'm a patient guy, I just tire of the pull it out of thin air as you go belief variety.

I’m a patient guy but I will stop talking to you if you act like Will Due.  Eeeerrrrp.  Wha wha.

You complain about me believing things?  You believe things to Joc.  You believe every morning you wake up the sun will be shining just as it always does.  You don’t know that to be true, but you believe it to be true just as you believe that light will come on every time you flip the switch.

[Guyver]

Let’s talk about thermodynamics Joc.  Let’s talk of the laws of science.  You know, the things you believe in because you know that they are true and you don’t have to believe?  The first law of thermodynamics show that energy can neither be created or destroyed, only converted from one form to another.  Einstein proved it with E=MC^2. The entire amount of the energy contained at the beginning of the UNIVERSE is the same energy that exist NOW in the universe….Joc.  We are a part of the universe.  We have in our bodies elements that exist in the death of stars…Joc. And you think you know everything? Pfffft.

[Guyver]

9 hours ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Xeno

It might for some, I don't force myself to be optimistic or pesimistic I just do what needs to be done.

I do what needs to be done.  Winner.  Close thread.

[Guyver]

Unless, of course, you would like to believe that the universe is not a closed system.  Is that what you would like to believe Joc?  You would like to believe that the universe is a closed system, wouldn’t you Joc?  The laws of physics only work if the universe is a closed system.  Therefore, you may not believe in String Theory or the Multiverse.  Ok Joc.  Way to be the man.  Way to tell everyone that death is just the end, there is no more, there is no spirit, there is no afterlife, and plausible scientific theories attempting to explain observable phenomena should be immediately discarded on general principle.

[Guyver]

I poo poo. I do poo poo.  There you have it!  And I thank you.  Said in the tone of Elvis. Good night.

[Guyver]

Check that.  I’m signing back in so I can talk to Joc before he puts me on ignore and stops listening to my music.  Joc, I have one question for you.  Did Dejarma actually play the drums on your last shared recording, or did he process your parts with a drum machine?  That’s all I want to know.

[psyche101]

5 hours ago, Guyver said:

Good counter point.

There was a time I took a journey in search of the afterlife. I took it very seriously. It left me somewhat jaded though. I didn't even consider being skeptical at the time. When I was younger I grew up I a family that considered religion and paranormal as very real. 

6 hours ago, Guyver said:

What makes you think so?

I've seen him debates with some very good scientists who picked his story to bits. He was never dead. He didn't really make a point of that untill Steve Novella pushed the issue. 

[Guyver]

4 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

There was a time I took a journey in search of the afterlife. I took it very seriously. It left me somewhat jaded though. I didn't even consider being skeptical at the time. When I was younger I grew up I a family that considered religion and paranormal as very real. 

I've seen him debates with some very good scientists who picked his story to bits. He was never dead. He didn't really make a point of that untill Steve Novella pushed the issue. 

Did you ever go without food or water for three days at a time in search of God?

[Guyver]

5 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

There was a time I took a journey in search of the afterlife. I took it very seriously. It left me somewhat jaded though. I didn't even consider being skeptical at the time. When I was younger I grew up I a family that considered religion and paranormal as very real. 

I've seen him debates with some very good scientists who picked his story to bits. He was never dead. He didn't really make a point of that untill Steve Novella pushed the issue. 

Good scientists picked his story to bits?  He was not in the care of scientists, he was in the care of Doctors sir…and he himself is a doctor of the highest repute.

[psyche101]

10 minutes ago, Guyver said:

Did you ever go without food or water for three days at a time in search of God?

I had hungry days where my mother would drag me around states door knocking spreading the word for JWs. Heat, angry people, running from dogs. Not a great time. 

Might not quite the same, but it wasn't pleasant I can tell you. 

Wouldn't deprivation be the shortest path to hallucination?

[Guyver]

1 minute ago, psyche101 said:

I had hungry days where my mother would drag me around states door knocking spreading the word for JWs. Heat, angry people, running from dogs. Not a great time. 

Might not quite the same, but it wasn't pleasant I can tell you. 

Wouldn't deprivation be the shortest path to hallucination?

No sir, I am sorry to be truculent.  I have purposely gone with out food and water for three days at at time while in a “prayer closet” - as Robert Plant, arguably one of the if not for Paul McCartney, maybe the best ever?  Is said to have done, but…let’s face it…he was a rock star.  His stories are not to be believed?  Right?  I mean, Jimmy Page couldn’t even make it from England to New York without getting busted on the plane for smoking a cigarette in the bathroom.

[Guyver]

I actually went without food and water for three days at a time on multiple occasions because my belief in the Bible taught me that if I wished to be like Jesus, I had to be able to fast and pray.  Totally insane…..right?

[Guyver]

Well, guess what.  Save yourself from that torture.  You go talk to God for three days without food and water, here’s what you’re going to find out.  You are talking to yourself.

[psyche101]

10 minutes ago, Guyver said:

Good scientists picked his story to bits?  

Yes, the best. 

10 minutes ago, Guyver said:

He was not in the care of scientists, he was in the care of Doctors sir…

Yes, that's right. The discussions were had after he wrote his book. 

I'm not sure what that has to do with forensic examination of a case study? 

10 minutes ago, Guyver said:

and he himself is a doctor of the highest repute.

Very debatable..

The Esquire article also accuses Alexander of falsifying medical records to cover up the fact that he’d operated at the wrong site on a patient’s spine when working as a neurosurgeon.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2354351/amp/Proof-Heaven-author-multiple-claims-book-debunked-doctor-treated-seven-day-coma.html