Marjorie Taylor Greene branded a bigot after she questions Mike Johnson's Christian faith

[preacherman76]

22 hours ago, Rlyeh said:

Wouldn't it make more sense to take it up with those who defend your morally bankrupt ideology?

First God doesn’t need me to defend him. And second, don’t pretend you know what I believe in. 

22 hours ago, Rlyeh said:

 

Funny how when it comes to the Christian Right accusations are confessions.

I never killed anyone. Let alone the most innocent among us. I’ll have plenty to confess on that day. The murder of innocent children won’t be one of them. I have a 12 year old son who wasn’t planned, who disrupted our plans, who can testify to that. Now I couldn’t imagine life without him. 
 

Funny how you’d rather attack me than talk about the subject at hand. All while pretty much ignoring what I’ve actually said. 

[preacherman76]

1 minute ago, Setton said:

I need a source to say they are sentient, which for me is the point you can define a person as alive.

I never said they were sentient. Lots of adults aren’t either. We don’t just off them for convenience. 

1 minute ago, Setton said:

You can build as many strawmen as you like but I won't be dictated to by religious extremists. 

What is it with you folks calling everyone extremist if they don’t follow your ideology? What have I ever said to you that makes me a religious extremist? My opinion on abortion stems more from my libertarian beliefs then anything else. 
 

You know, the right to LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. 

[Setton]

11 minutes ago, preacherman76 said:

I never said they were sentient. Lots of adults aren’t either. We don’t just off them for convenience. 

You didn't. I did. I defined that as the point at which a human becomes alive.

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What is it with you folks calling everyone extremist if they don’t follow your ideology? What have I ever said to you that makes me a religious extremist? My opinion on abortion stems more from my libertarian beliefs then anything else. 

You know, the right to LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. 

Edit: on reflection, fanatic is a better descriptor than extremist. I'll happily swap.

Anyone who wants to force their religious beliefs onto others, even if it causes them harm is a fanatic.

If you prefer, I'll happily refer to you as a political fanatic in future.

Edited March 29 by Setton

[preacherman76]

3 minutes ago, Setton said:

You didn't. I did. I defined that as the point at which a human becomes alive.

Yep, and I begged to differ. You couldn’t dispute what I said, so you personally attacked me. Or you really believe that unique DNA doesn’t represent a new human. Either way….. whatever never mind. 

3 minutes ago, Setton said:

Edit: on reflection, fanatic is a better descriptor than extremist. I'll happily swap.

Anyone who wants to force their religious beliefs onto others, even if it causes them harm is a fanatic.

If you prefer, I'll happily refer to you as a political fanatic in future.

When have I ever tried to force my beliefs on anyone here? You guys are the ones who made the claim Christianity is cool with abortion. I wasn’t even the one who brought this up. 
 

Since when did correcting a misconception equal forcing beliefs? Are you really that fragile you can’t hear opposing beliefs without thinking they are being forced upon you? Are you saying you now believe because I forced you to? What the actual hell are you talking about?

[Setton]

8 minutes ago, preacherman76 said:

Yep, and I begged to differ. You couldn’t dispute what I said, so you personally attacked me. Or you really believe that unique DNA doesn’t represent a new human. Either way….. whatever never mind. 

You provided absolutely nothing to back up your opinion. How do I dispute fantasy?

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When have I ever tried to force my beliefs on anyone here? You guys are the ones who made the claim Christianity is cool with abortion. I wasn’t even the one who brought this up.

Since when did correcting a misconception equal forcing beliefs? Are you really that fragile you can’t hear opposing beliefs without thinking they are being forced upon you? Are you saying you now believe because I forced you to? What the actual hell are you talking about?

You're literally telling people they're not real Christians and therefore going to hell unless they agree with you. And that's without the repeated efforts you and other religious fanatics have made to pass laws to force those beliefs on others.

As usual, you can't support a single claim you make. So you just resort to stating opinion as fact then crying you're being attacked when called out on it.

[preacherman76]

On 3/28/2024 at 7:45 AM, simplybill said:

Aren’t we all a cluster of cells? 
Where do you set the limit? For example, a one-year-old child is far from being independent. 

Most 15 year olds aren’t either😉

[preacherman76]

5 minutes ago, Setton said:

You provided absolutely nothing to back up your opinion. How do I dispute fantasy?

You think a child just conceived doesn’t have their own unique DNA? That the idea is a fantasy? Yeah ok then….. like, really??

5 minutes ago, Setton said:

You're literally telling people they're not real Christians

I literally told who they are not real Christians? I said the Bible does not support the idea that abortion is ok. Nothing more. I never said anything about anyone being a real Christian. 

5 minutes ago, Setton said:

 

and therefore going to hell unless they agree with you.
 

lol I’m not even sure I’m gonna make it outta the fire, let alone judging if anyone else is gonna go to hell. I never even brought up the subject of hell at all. 
 

Even if I did say that, which I didn’t. Even if I believed that, which I don’t, I still hardly see how I forced anyone into anything. 

5 minutes ago, Setton said:

 

And that's without the repeated efforts you and other religious fanatics have made to pass laws to force those beliefs on others.

Hu? I haven’t tried to pass legislation in regards to any religious beliefs. What are you talking about? This conversation gets stranger by the post. 

5 minutes ago, Setton said:

As usual, you can't support a single claim you make. So you just resort to stating opinion as fact then crying you're being attacked when called out on it.

I can support every claim I made. From the biblical to the science of DNA. It’s sad that you need me to. And since you have ignored most of what I said then lied about things I didn’t say, why would I believe any source wouldn’t get ignored as well. 
 

I just can’t, like you really don’t know that a conceived child has their own DNA? Like really? 

[Robotic Jew]

28 minutes ago, preacherman76 said:

Most 15 year olds aren’t either😉

Top notch Boomer humor.

[preacherman76]

6 minutes ago, Robotic Jew said:

Top notch Boomer humor.

Maybe if my Mom said it. 

[Robotic Jew]

1 minute ago, preacherman76 said:

Maybe if my Mom said it. 

Doesn't matter WHO says it. It's boomer humor regardless. 

[preacherman76]

Just now, Robotic Jew said:

Doesn't matter WHO says it. It's boomer humor regardless. 

It isn’t really humor at all. It’s truth. 

[Rlyeh]

1 hour ago, preacherman76 said:

First God doesn’t need me to defend him. And second, don’t pretend you know what I believe in. 

You're the only one here pretending.

 

1 hour ago, preacherman76 said:

I never killed anyone. Let alone the most innocent among us. I’ll have plenty to confess on that day. The murder of innocent children won’t be one of them. I have a 12 year old son who wasn’t planned, who disrupted our plans, who can testify to that. Now I couldn’t imagine life without him. 
 

I've never killed anyone either, and unlike I don't worship anyone who has.

 

1 hour ago, preacherman76 said:

Funny how you’d rather attack me than talk about the subject at hand. All while pretty much ignoring what I’ve actually said. 

Considering how much of what you've said has little to do with the subject, perhaps you should lead by example then?

[preacherman76]

11 minutes ago, Rlyeh said:

You're the only one here pretending.

 

Pretending what? What are you talking about? 

11 minutes ago, Rlyeh said:

 

I've never killed anyone either, and unlike I don't worship anyone who has.

 

Well if God, and the beliefs that come from the Bible are true. No one dies. They just move on to what is next. 

[preacherman76]

14 minutes ago, Rlyeh said:

 

 

Considering how much of what you've said has little to do with the subject, perhaps you should lead by example then?

I was right on topic. It’s you guys who then decided to make this about me. 

[Robotic Jew]

46 minutes ago, preacherman76 said:

It isn’t really humor at all. It’s truth. 

2 for 2!

[Rlyeh]

1 hour ago, preacherman76 said:

Pretending what? What are you talking about? 

The whole imaginary friend business.

 

1 hour ago, preacherman76 said:

Well if God, and the beliefs that come from the Bible are true. No one dies. They just move on to what is next. 

Well no they still die.  Even your Bible says that.

[Rlyeh]

1 hour ago, preacherman76 said:

I was right on topic. It’s you guys who then decided to make this about me. 

You were earlier rambling about people not wanting to be responsible for their actions, and thinking they have power over reality or some nonsense.

Despite you accusing this of the Woke, it also sounds a lot like the Christian Right.

Edited March 29 by Rlyeh

[Setton]

3 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

You think a child just conceived doesn’t have their own unique DNA? That the idea is a fantasy? Yeah ok then….. like, really??

You're the one rambling about DNA. I've not mentioned it once.

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I literally told who they are not real Christians? I said the Bible does not support the idea that abortion is ok. Nothing more. I never said anything about anyone being a real Christian. 

Post #6: all Christians oppose abortion. 

Some people say they're Christian and don't oppose abortion. 

Therefore either you're talking crap or saying they're not Christians.

Apologies if it's actually the former, I did make an assumption it was bigotry instead of stupidity. Feel free to clarify.

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I can support every claim I made. From the biblical to the science of DNA. It’s sad that you need me to. And since you have ignored most of what I said then lied about things I didn’t say, why would I believe any source wouldn’t get ignored as well. 

By all means do. We're looking for a biblical quote banning abortion and a scientific claim about the point where sentience develops.

Anything else you want to witter about, I'd suggest starting a blog instead.

[Setton]

@preacherman76 You off to France to tell them there's no Christians living there? Should they just knock down the 40000 odd churches now?

 

 

[+and-then]

On 3/28/2024 at 8:31 AM, Rlyeh said:

Wouldn't it make more sense to take it up with those who defend your morally bankrupt ideology

What makes you think that anyone owes you an explanation?  It's you lot who get agitated when someone dares take a stance you disagree with.  Get over yourselves...

[Rlyeh]

40 minutes ago, and-then said:

What makes you think that anyone owes you an explanation?  It's you lot who get agitated when someone dares take a stance you disagree with.  Get over yourselves...

No one asked for an explanation.  Follow your own advice, you're still triggered over an imaginary stolen election.

Edited March 29 by Rlyeh

[preacherman76]

17 hours ago, Setton said:

You're the one rambling about DNA. I've not mentioned it once.

No you didn’t. You just responded to my post about DNA, implying the idea was fantasy. 

17 hours ago, Setton said:

Post #6: all Christians oppose abortion. 
 

No I said Christianity, who’s entire existence come from biblical teachings opposes abortion. 

17 hours ago, Setton said:

Some people say they're Christian and don't oppose abortion. 

Therefore either you're talking crap or saying they're not Christians.

I’m saying biblically there are people who claim to be Christians but are not. That’s a fact. 

17 hours ago, Setton said:

Apologies if it's actually the former, I did make an assumption it was bigotry instead of stupidity. Feel free to clarify.

By all means do. We're looking for a biblical quote banning abortion and a scientific claim about the point where sentience develops.

thou shall not kill. 
 

sentience is not mandatory when it comes to who is human and who is not. Plenty of adults are not sentient. DNA on the other hand absolutely makes one human. 

17 hours ago, Setton said:

Anything else you want to witter about, I'd suggest starting a blog instead.

You ok man? You want me to sing you a song? 

[preacherman76]

17 hours ago, Setton said:

@preacherman76 You off to France to tell them there's no Christians living there? Should they just knock down the 40000 odd churches now?

 

 

Certainly not. I wouldn’t stop it if I could. This world has become so morally depraved it’s like a necessary evil at this point. 
 

Why do you believe 40,000 churches support France’s government on this issue? Why don’t you all ever give Muslims crap for the same beliefs? 

[Grim Reaper 6]

3 minutes ago, preacherman76 said:

Certainly not. I wouldn’t stop it if I could. This world has become so morally depraved it’s like a necessary evil at this point. 
 

Why do you believe 40,000 churches support France’s government on this issue? Why don’t you all ever give Muslims crap for the same beliefs? 

Give Muslims crap for what belief?

[Setton]

2 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

No you didn’t. You just responded to my post about DNA, implying the idea was fantasy. 

No I said Christianity, who’s entire existence come from biblical teachings opposes abortion. 

I’m saying biblically there are people who claim to be Christians but are not. That’s a fact. 

thou shall not kill. 
 

sentience is not mandatory when it comes to who is human and who is not. Plenty of adults are not sentient. DNA on the other hand absolutely makes one human. 

You ok man? You want me to sing you a song? 

A dead body has the same DNA as a living one. So a dead person is alive by your logic?