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So my dad recently had a stroke, he survived and is recovering. He's conscious but not talking etc. This happened in the past month so myself my mom and sister and just going day by day not knowing how he will progress etc.

Earlier this morning I had an experience in my room waking up. A lady in white appeared to walk up to my bed and place their hand on me. I felt the touch and she was speaking to me saying how things are hard and she's watching over him etc. Sounded exactly like my Grandmother that passed a few years ago somewhat suddenly. 

I feel like it could have been sleep paralysis which I've had before but some key differences: Sensation of touch, no fear, this figure was white and gave off a glow in my dark room. Usually when I have sleep paralysis there is fear and the figures are completely dark like shadows. 

What do you guys think? Grandma giving me reassurance or just a weird sleep paralysis?

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4 minutes ago, Odox said:

So my dad recently had a stroke, he survived and is recovering. He's conscious but not talking etc. This happened in the past month so myself my mom and sister and just going day by day not knowing how he will progress etc.

Earlier this morning I had an experience in my room waking up. A lady in white appeared to walk up to my bed and place their hand on me. I felt the touch and she was speaking to me saying how things are hard and she's watching over him etc. Sounded exactly like my Grandmother that passed a few years ago somewhat suddenly. 

I feel like it could have been sleep paralysis which I've had before but some key differences: Sensation of touch, no fear, this figure was white and gave off a glow in my dark room. Usually when I have sleep paralysis there is fear and the figures are completely dark like shadows. 

What do you guys think? Grandma giving me reassurance or just a weird sleep paralysis?

just a weird sleep paralysis

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2 hours ago, joc said:

just a weird sleep paralysis

I'd say it was either a weird sleep paralysis,or a vivid dream where you think your awake.

I've never had sleep paralysis without the sense of anxiety so I'd sway towards a vivid dream.

Hope you dad makes a speedy recovery,take care.

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3 hours ago, Odox said:

What do you guys think? Grandma giving me reassurance or just a weird sleep paralysis?

Good chance of grandma, IMO. And I don't see why sleep paralysis cannot accompany real experiences. I have come to believe that the state between sleep and wake is a transition period where people are more likely to remember astral experiences.

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3 hours ago, Odox said:

What do you guys think? Grandma giving me reassurance or just a weird sleep paralysis?

Lucid dream, sleep paralysis, or hypnopompic. 

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Makes me think of mental disorders with hallucinations, can't imagine how that could be, very powerful.

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12 hours ago, Odox said:

What do you guys think? Grandma giving me reassurance or just a weird sleep paralysis?

If you feel it was sleep paralyisis it probably was but are you looking at that because the other thing doesn't make sense? I believe our past loved ones come to us in vivid dreams when needed so I think it could be grandma.

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17 hours ago, openozy said:

If you feel it was sleep paralyisis it probably was but are you looking at that because the other thing doesn't make sense? I believe our past loved ones come to us in vivid dreams when needed so I think it could be grandma.

Yeah, I have had other lucid dream experiences with loved ones that have passed. I want to believe it was and am going with that explanation but I am very skeptical when it comes to paranormal.

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32 minutes ago, Odox said:

Yeah, I have had other lucid dream experiences with loved ones that have passed. I want to believe it was and am going with that explanation but I am very skeptical when it comes to paranormal.

If the dreams are pleasant, and give you a modicum of peace, then accept them as the gift they are. Simple as that. I would feel blessed if I was in your shoes.

Hank

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On 3/29/2024 at 1:02 AM, Odox said:

So my dad recently had a stroke, he survived and is recovering. He's conscious but not talking etc. This happened in the past month so myself my mom and sister and just going day by day not knowing how he will progress etc.

Earlier this morning I had an experience in my room waking up. A lady in white appeared to walk up to my bed and place their hand on me. I felt the touch and she was speaking to me saying how things are hard and she's watching over him etc. Sounded exactly like my Grandmother that passed a few years ago somewhat suddenly. 

I feel like it could have been sleep paralysis which I've had before but some key differences: Sensation of touch, no fear, this figure was white and gave off a glow in my dark room. Usually when I have sleep paralysis there is fear and the figures are completely dark like shadows. 

What do you guys think? Grandma giving me reassurance or just a weird sleep paralysis?

Very Sorry to hear about your father, hopefully he will fully recover. It certainly sounds like sleep paralysis; however I am not an expert so I will mention this thread to a forum expert on this subject @eight bits.

Oh and by the way, welcome to the forum!:tu:

Peace

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1 hour ago, Odox said:

Yeah, I have had other lucid dream experiences with loved ones that have passed. I want to believe it was and am going with that explanation but I am very skeptical when it comes to paranormal.

You have to be skeptical to rule out mundane answers first but I've found your gut feeling is usually right.

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Since ghosts do not exist it's just your own brain trying to give you comforting,

Cool tags like vivid or lucid don't change the fact a dream is just a dream it's in the mind of the person having it, nothing wrong if it brings one comfort.

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5 minutes ago, the13bats said:

Since ghosts do not exist it's just your own brain trying to give you comforting,

Cool tags like vivid or lucid don't change the fact a dream is just a dream it's in the mind of the person having it, nothing wrong if it brings one comfort.

Glad to see you around!:st

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3 hours ago, the13bats said:

Since ghosts do not exist it's just your own brain trying to give you comforting,

Cool tags like vivid or lucid don't change the fact a dream is just a dream it's in the mind of the person having it, nothing wrong if it brings one comfort.

Don't agree as usual, lol but hope you are going ok bats 👍

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2 hours ago, openozy said:

Don't agree as usual, lol but hope you are going ok bats 👍

Ty, hope you are doing great, I'm good as I can be,

No, I still don't believe but I'm not as cynical

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On 4/1/2024 at 5:01 PM, the13bats said:

Since ghosts do not exist it's just your own brain trying to give you comforting,

Cool tags like vivid or lucid don't change the fact a dream is just a dream it's in the mind of the person having it, nothing wrong if it brings one comfort.

What’s up bats? Hope all is well. 
 

So it’s your argument that our brains have a free will out side or apart from our conscious minds? That a grey matter organ worries about our comfort? So much so it creates elaborate hallucinations to bring us peace? 
 

Maybe ghosts don’t exist, I don’t know. I think though it takes just as much faith to believe what you posted here then it does to believe in ghosts. 

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2 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

What’s up bats? Hope all is well. 
 

So it’s your argument that our brains have a free will out side or apart from our conscious minds? That a grey matter organ worries about our comfort? So much so it creates elaborate hallucinations to bring us peace? 
 

Maybe ghosts don’t exist, I don’t know. I think though it takes just as much faith to believe what you posted here then it does to believe in ghosts. 

Definitely....ghosts don't exist.  I do know.  It takes no faith whatsoever, no belief whatsoever to understand the reality of the life experience.  

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The Lady in White is an archetype and a lot of people have experienced something similar. 

My Grandfather used to tell a story about a woman who came out of the attic door between the two twin beds in the room he shared with his brother as a kid. They pretended to be asleep, but were both awake. They could feel the lace from her dress as it dragged across the bedspread. They were so afraid that they couldn't speak. She went into their closet and disappeared. The door to the attic was locked and their Dad had the only key. My Grandfather told the story at breakfast and the parents didn't believe him. His brother later confided that he had seen her, too.

I've seen some interesting things in that in-between place from sleep and wakefulness. Not a lady in white, but an elderly woman and a relative who had that quality of emanating light.

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On 3/28/2024 at 2:18 PM, Odox said:

Makes me think of mental disorders with hallucinations, can't imagine how that could be, very powerful.

These things are very common occurrences. It doesn't necessarily mean mental illness. 

The place between sleep and wakefulness is a liminal space and interesting things can happen. Scientists are aware of this. Doctors are coming around to it, as well. 

It used to be that people were afraid to tell about these experiences because there could be consequences for them. People were literally institutionalized for something that we now understand a bit better.

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21 hours ago, joc said:

Definitely....ghosts don't exist.  I do know.  It takes no faith whatsoever, no belief whatsoever to understand the reality of the life experience.  

I don’t know if ghosts exist. But something along those lines does. I do know this. Something you’d tell me doesn’t. My direct life experiences don’t require faith either. 

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On 4/20/2024 at 6:15 AM, preacherman76 said:

What’s up bats? Hope all is well. 
 

So it’s your argument that our brains have a free will out side or apart from our conscious minds? That a grey matter organ worries about our comfort? So much so it creates elaborate hallucinations to bring us peace? 
 

Maybe ghosts don’t exist, I don’t know. I think though it takes just as much faith to believe what you posted here then it does to believe in ghosts. 

Thanx for asking, I did Houdini from here about a year. I'm as good as my situation allows.

I'm not arguing anything I'm tossing my opinion out there, you worded that in a very intriguing way, I don't think the brain "worries" persay but does keep the body functioning as comfortably as situation allows, grief for some is a huge stressor hard on the body, as far as free will of our brain, can you turn off your hearing? Your heart beat? Our brain does all kinds of things out of our control so if you call that free will , thats fine.

Would or could our brain cause us hallucinations to try to help with grief ? sure it could, we dream. Take it for granted we have good dreams and bad dreams but they exist only in our minds yet for some they would like to make claims that was no dream aunt jenny came to visit me in the shadowland and of slumbers,

We know dreams, hallucinations, mental issues all proven, no faith needed it's proven fact,  what's more likely my theory about the brain or that ghosts exist and visit sleeping people so they can debate it wasn't a dream?

I don't care if you say my proven fact based explanation takes faith, it doesn't and I don't care that all a believer in ghosts has is faith.

Have a good one.

 

 

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On 4/22/2024 at 1:26 AM, the13bats said:

Thanx for asking, I did Houdini from here about a year. I'm as good as my situation allows.

I feel ya. I’m in and out myself. Often taking long breaks. 

On 4/22/2024 at 1:26 AM, the13bats said:

I'm not arguing anything I'm tossing my opinion out there, you worded that in a very intriguing way, I don't think the brain "worries" persay but does keep the body functioning as comfortably as situation allows, grief for some is a huge stressor hard on the body, as far as free will of our brain, can you turn off your hearing? Your heart beat? Our brain does all kinds of things out of our control so if you call that free will , thats fine.

Perhaps argument was the wrong word. I wouldn’t call any of those the function of a free and separate will. They are more like built in programs. 

On 4/22/2024 at 1:26 AM, the13bats said:

Would or could our brain cause us hallucinations to try to help with grief ? sure it could, we dream. Take it for granted we have good dreams and bad dreams but they exist only in our minds yet for some they would like to make claims that was no dream aunt jenny came to visit me in the shadowland and of slumbers,

A dream, and a hallucination are two very different things though. 

On 4/22/2024 at 1:26 AM, the13bats said:

We know dreams, hallucinations, mental issues all proven, no faith needed it's proven fact,  what's more likely my theory about the brain or that ghosts exist and visit sleeping people so they can debate it wasn't a dream?

Honestly I’m uncertain. Seems to me if the brain is in the comfort game it often does a very poor job. Then there is the dilemma of the common characters that often appear, that have always appeared through history, over every culture. Again that often bring the exact opposite of comfort. 

On 4/22/2024 at 1:26 AM, the13bats said:

I don't care if you say my proven fact based explanation takes faith, it doesn't

Accept it very much does. By your own standards. Because despite popular belief, none of this has been proven. Read the literature. You often see phrases like “ it’s most likely due to”. In other words they don’t know either. 
 

Of course you don’t care what I think. Why would you? It’s all good far as I’m concerned. 

On 4/22/2024 at 1:26 AM, the13bats said:

 

and I don't care that all a believer in ghosts has is faith.

Have a good one.

 

 

I don’t know anything about the existence of ghosts. 
 

You have a good one as well bats. Good to see ya back. 

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10 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

I feel ya. I’m in and out myself. Often taking long breaks

It was lots of stuff, my interests were not political yet where on here was I?

The sections I joined for and enjoy get less and less traffic because things get explained with a mouse click these days,

Work was taking my interests as was some home life, this forum has always served as entertainment but politics isn't the type I wanted.

10 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

Perhaps argument was the wrong word. I wouldn’t call any of those the function of a free and separate will. They are more like built in programs. 

Me too, it was my point, to say the bran has a conscience free will idk? And why just one? Meaning a person with split personality are those other personalities free? This is above my pay rate , maybe I'll ask Tina she does university lectures on such topics.

10 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

A dream, and a hallucination are two very different things though. 

Yes, I suppose they are however both are created in the brain of the experiencer,

Many people say they can control their sleeping dreams I guess making a sleeping dream more of a day dream type experience but I believe most agree dreams are seen n the minds eye where hallucinations are over there, in the room the yard wherever I was a child when my grandmother was in very serious condition almost died from glaucoma she was telling the nurse she had mice in her bed pointing at them running around, the nurse was kind said no mice , my mom giggled I wanted to catch one, but those mice only existed for my grandmother created and limited to her brain.

I have never had a visual hallucinations however I have had many auditory hallucinations, only when coming in or out of sleep I fully know this is only in my mind as the loud sound etc is only percevied by me. Not my wife not my pets etc, of course some true believers will say I was open to hearing these entities and my wife and pets were not, I'm simply not credious enough to go down that rabbit hole. If they want my belief then the burden is on them to prove their claims.

10 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

Honestly I’m uncertain. Seems to me if the brain is in the comfort game it often does a very poor job. Then there is the dilemma of the common characters that often appear, that have always appeared through history, over every culture. Again that often bring the exact opposite of comfort. 

I agree the brain isn't very good at everything it tries to do but it tries,

Humans are not one size fits all but are the same in a basic functioning way, while in general some "common characters" seem to endure much more often what a person experiences is a result of their "world" some see angels, some demons or fairies, and the last several decades aliens are popular, and nope, it's not always a comfort however if I have nightmares for a few nights rather than happy dreams I hardly find that Worthy of blaming malevolent entities and if I dream of my grandmother I can't make a wild jump her ghost came for a visit, this stuff exists in the mind of the experiencer.

11 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

Accept it very much does. By your own standards. Because despite popular belief, none of this has been proven. Read the literature. You often see phrases like “ it’s most likely due to”. In other words they don’t know either. 
 

Of course you don’t care what I think. Why would you? It’s all good far as I’m concerned. 

I don't agree in the way you are using terms, the fact is for example mental illness is proven, dreams, hallucinations are known conditions of the human mind but I suppose for no other reason than to argue a person could say no, not proven just your fate and I'll give them that not worth wasting time on that type discussion.

It's not that I don't care what you or another person I'm talking to thinks, I like many people have a set limit as to time we will waste, my sky is blue if joeys sky is red more power to him   time for me to move on.

11 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

I don’t know anything about the existence of ghosts. 
 

You have a good one as well bats. Good to see ya back. 

No one knows if ghosts are real each person uses the evidence or lack there of to make up their own mind, in my case I see nothing to supoort ghosts exist not just ghosts but all things paranormal with exceptions and paranormal only exists in the minds of the believers.

Ty, it's cool to be back but very surprised how much slower it got the year I was away, have a good one.

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2 hours ago, the13bats said:

It was lots of stuff, my interests were not political yet where on here was I?

The sections I joined for and enjoy get less and less traffic because things get explained with a mouse click these days,

Work was taking my interests as was some home life, this forum has always served as entertainment but politics isn't the type I wanted.

Yeah politics can be rough. Definitely not fun conversations. Especially as of late. 

2 hours ago, the13bats said:

Me too, it was my point, to say the bran has a conscience free will idk? And why just one? Meaning a person with split personality are those other personalities free? This is above my pay rate , maybe I'll ask Tina she does university lectures on such topics.

Yes, I suppose they are however both are created in the brain of the experiencer,

yeah I can’t say I know anything about that. I think though the actual subject at hand gets cloudy with these comparisons. 

2 hours ago, the13bats said:

Many people say they can control their sleeping dreams I guess making a sleeping dream more of a day dream type experience but I believe most agree dreams are seen n the minds eye where hallucinations are over there,

hallucinations don’t come from the same parts of the brain as dreams do though. I’ve had several experiences with lucid dreaming, and they are not like a day dream at all. It’s very much still a dream. You just become aware of it. I’ve also experienced what some folks call astral projection. Again nothing like a day dream. 

2 hours ago, the13bats said:

in the room the yard wherever I was a child when my grandmother was in very serious condition almost died from glaucoma she was telling the nurse she had mice in her bed pointing at them running around, the nurse was kind said no mice , my mom giggled I wanted to catch one, but those mice only existed for my grandmother created and limited to her brain.

I have never had a visual hallucinations however I have had many auditory hallucinations, only when coming in or out of sleep I fully know this is only in my mind as the loud sound etc is only percevied by me. Not my wife not my pets etc, of course some true believers will say I was open to hearing these entities and my wife and pets were not, I'm simply not credious enough to go down that rabbit hole. If they want my belief then the burden is on them to prove their claims.

I wouldn’t say that you were open to it. Just for conversation sake, if those sounds are not a hallucination, if they are somehow real, then it’s possible that in that state halfway between wake and asleep some find themselves like a radio. In tune with things in your surroundings you normally wouldn’t be. A unrecognized vibration if you will.  It to say I believe that, just playing devils advocate. 

2 hours ago, the13bats said:

I agree the brain isn't very good at everything it tries to do but it tries,

Humans are not one size fits all but are the same in a basic functioning way, while in general some "common characters" seem to endure much more often what a person experiences is a result of their "world" some see angels, some demons or fairies, and the last several decades aliens are popular, and nope, it's not always a comfort however if I have nightmares for a few nights rather than happy dreams I hardly find that Worthy of blaming malevolent entities and if I dream of my grandmother I can't make a wild jump her ghost came for a visit, this stuff exists in the mind of the experiencer.

I’ve never once seen any character during a regular dream that I’ve seen during SP. These characters are only common during SP. 

2 hours ago, the13bats said:

I don't agree in the way you are using terms, the fact is for example mental illness is proven, dreams, hallucinations are known conditions of the human mind but I suppose for no other reason than to argue a person could say no, not proven just your fate and I'll give them that not worth wasting time on that type discussion.

And you are intertwining things that aren’t really relevant. I was talking directly about the studies and papers written about sleep paralysis. They openly admit technically they just don’t know. And often say things like “the most likely explanation”. And when those theories are held up to actual experiences, they just don’t hold water. 

2 hours ago, the13bats said:

It's not that I don't care what you or another person I'm talking to thinks, I like many people have a set limit as to time we will waste, my sky is blue if joeys sky is red more power to him   time for me to move on.

I can dig that. We are just talking man. I respect your opinion. I just have a different one. Heck I really don’t have one at all really. I more often then not chalk these subjects up to the category of the unknown. 

2 hours ago, the13bats said:

No one knows if ghosts are real each person uses the evidence or lack there of to make up their own mind, in my case I see nothing to supoort ghosts exist not just ghosts but all things paranormal with exceptions and paranormal only exists in the minds of the believers.

I must admit I’ve wondered why folks who seem to have no interest in the paranormal spend so much time in places like this. Again not to say there isn’t room for you folks  there certainly is. I just wonder why? 

 

2 hours ago, the13bats said:

 


 

Ty, it's cool to be back but very surprised how much slower it got the year I was away, have a good one.

Yeah I’ve been here going on like 18 years. Sometimes it’s a full house. Other times not so much. 

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