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Abortion becomes a constitutional right in France


Zetorian

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https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20240304-france-to-enshrine-abortion-rights-in-country-s-constitution

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After congress approved the move, France became the only country in the world to clearly protect the right to terminate a pregnancy in its basic law.

President Emmanuel Macron pledged last year to enshrine abortion -- legal in France since 1975 -- in the constitution after the US Supreme Court in 2022 overturned the half-century-old right to the procedure, allowing states to ban or curtail it.

People have very different views on abortion and the rights of women to terminate a pregnancy which can result in heated debates but that's why debates exist in the first place. 

However the vast majority of the French Citizens approve and agree with women having a constitutional right to terminate a pregnancy. Take this development and compare it with what has happened in Texas for example where abortion has been banned almost completely unless there is a danger to life for the mother. 

What do you think about abortion and the historic vote in France? 

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Well done them! :tsu: Let's hope other countries follow their lead.

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2 hours ago, ouija ouija said:

Well done them! :tsu: Let's hope other countries follow their lead.

Abortion is not a problem for women who live in Europe as most countries, if not all, allow abortion and I don't think there is need to become a constitutional right. 

On the other hand if you live in a place like Texas you have to travel outside of the State to get an abortion. 

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As Europe accepts more immigrants it becomes more receptive to Islamic ideology:

Muslim jurists agree that abortion is allowed based on the principle that "the greater evil [the woman's death] should be warded off by the lesser evil [abortion]." In these cases the physician is considered a better judge than the scholar.[30] Islam and abortion - Wikipedia

Within a decade or two Islam may replace the Catholic Church.

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1 hour ago, pellinore said:

As Europe accepts more immigrants it becomes more receptive to Islamic ideology:

Muslim jurists agree that abortion is allowed based on the principle that "the greater evil [the woman's death] should be warded off by the lesser evil [abortion]." In these cases the physician is considered a better judge than the scholar.[30] Islam and abortion - Wikipedia

Within a decade or two Islam may replace the Catholic Church.

How did you come to this conclusion and what this has to do with the topic of the thread? 

If you want to talk about Islam and abortion I don't have an issue with it. In France there are many immigrants but still its citizens are overwhelmingly in support of this constitutional amendment. 

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1 hour ago, pellinore said:

As Europe accepts more immigrants it becomes more receptive to Islamic ideology:

Muslim jurists agree that abortion is allowed based on the principle that "the greater evil [the woman's death] should be warded off by the lesser evil [abortion]." In these cases the physician is considered a better judge than the scholar.[30] Islam and abortion - Wikipedia

Within a decade or two Islam may replace the Catholic Church.

The Catholic Church opposes abortions. In Islam things are more complicated and depend on the country and religious leaders.  

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14 hours ago, Zetorian said:

What do you think about abortion and the historic vote in France? 

I think citizens in a Republic have the right to vote as they wish regardless of how potentially destructive their desires may be.  The world is changing very rapidly and most of those changes are not positive, IMO.  The French are not replacing their population so they are allowing a mass influx of people whose belief system is not compatible with their historical mores.  The newcomers are Islamic and they will soon be totally in charge of France.  Once that is accomplished, there will be no more elections.  Sharia will rule over all.

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35 minutes ago, and-then said:

I think citizens in a Republic have the right to vote as they wish regardless of how potentially destructive their desires may be.  The world is changing very rapidly and most of those changes are not positive, IMO.  The French are not replacing their population so they are allowing a mass influx of people whose belief system is not compatible with their historical mores.  The newcomers are Islamic and they will soon be totally in charge of France.  Once that is accomplished, there will be no more elections.  Sharia will rule over all.

So are you against abortion? 

The other matter you raised could be a topic for another thread. 

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It's their body and so it's their rights. It's none of the religious patriarchy concern unless they are the actual father.

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24 minutes ago, Zetorian said:

So are you against abortion? 

are you against abortion? 

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4 hours ago, Dejarma said:

are you against abortion? 

So you are trying to answer the question I asked someone else by asking me the same question? Are you ok? 

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5 hours ago, Katniss said:

It's their body and so it's their rights. It's none of the religious patriarchy concern unless they are the actual father.

Ms Everdeen has spoken! 

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11 hours ago, Katniss said:

It's their body and so it's their rights. It's none of the religious patriarchy concern unless they are the actual father.

Do you think abortion should allowed at all stages and even after the fetus becomes viable? (Around 24 weeks into the pregnancy). 

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8 hours ago, Zetorian said:

Do you think abortion should allowed at all stages and even after the fetus becomes viable? (Around 24 weeks into the pregnancy). 

But didn't I give you my answer before?

It's their body and so it's their rights. It's none of the religious patriarchy concern unless they are the actual father. So it's nobody's concern what a person does with their body and that would include me. I have my own body and the medical issues that come with it to be concerned about. :lol:

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23 minutes ago, Katniss said:

But didn't I give you my answer before?

It's their body and so it's their rights. It's none of the religious patriarchy concern unless they are the actual father. So it's nobody's concern what a person does with their body and that would include me. I have my own body and the medical issues that come with it to be concerned about. :lol:

I understand your position and I don't see a problem with it. Others will have an issue and will try to tell you how unethical and wrong abortion is. For example the State of Texas has banned abortions and threatens to fine or even imprison doctors and nurses who assist women with abortions. 

Interesting times. 

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Abortion becomes a constitutional right in France

It looks like an enlightened decision.

But proof of the pudding will be how it affects women's lives going forward and France already had in place the ability to use the abortion option.

So no real change.

It is more a political stunt to show how reasonable the French political class are and it costs them nothing to do.

It is eye candy for those who have spent a lot of the last few years in yellow jackets protesting on the street. 😉

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I`m against abortion unless is due to rape, incest, or deformity.

For those with a loose attitude towards sex the state should not condone murder, it should be tough luck.

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17 hours ago, Duke Wellington said:

I`m against abortion unless is due to rape, incest, or deformity.

For those with a loose attitude towards sex the state should not condone murder, it should be tough luck.

And dumpster babies increase because of your controlling attitude towards women. You can't win. You can't control what someone else does with their bodies or what they do with their offspring. Even the Taliban have trouble controlling women. People like that shouldn't be allowed to birth children anyway, if they are going to leave a defenseless baby to rot in the woods or a dumpster. Abortion is necessary.

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1 minute ago, Katniss said:

And dumpster babies increase because of your controlling attitude towards women. You can't win. You can't control what someone else does with their bodies or what they do with their offspring. Even the Taliban have trouble controlling women. People like that shouldn't be allowed to birth children anyway, if they are going to leave a defenseless baby t o rot in he woods or a dumpster. Abortion is necessary.

I totally agree with you, that's absolutely terrible and so very unnecessary !

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On 3/30/2024 at 1:59 AM, Zetorian said:

Abortion is not a problem for women who live in Europe as most countries, if not all, allow abortion and I don't think there is need to become a constitutional right. 

On the other hand if you live in a place like Texas you have to travel outside of the State to get an abortion. 

It needs to be a constitutional right because of places like Texas.

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On 4/10/2024 at 11:51 PM, L.A.T.1961 said:

Abortion becomes a constitutional right in France

It looks like an enlightened decision.

But proof of the pudding will be how it affects women's lives going forward and France already had in place the ability to use the abortion option.

So no real change.

It is more a political stunt to show how reasonable the French political class are and it costs them nothing to do.

It is eye candy for those who have spent a lot of the last few years in yellow jackets protesting on the street. 😉

I don't think so

The US had just ruled what should be an individual right as a criminal activity. That precedent needs highlighting. France doesn't want a future where draconian laws like that are implemented in France. America's theocratic decision should be shamed by the rest of the globe.

Can't have an abortion, but can open carry and kill each other. 

America is bizarro world.

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6 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

I totally agree with you, that's absolutely terrible and so very unnecessary !

:( I can't stand it! Every time I see or hear about a poor baby being left alone in a dumpster or the woods to suffer extreme temperatures and hunger, and may die hours later, it breaks my heart. Anti abortionist don't know how worse they make things with their bans and controlling attitude.

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27 minutes ago, Katniss said:

:( I can't stand it! Every time I see or hear about a poor baby being left alone in a dumpster or the woods to suffer extreme temperatures and hunger, and may die hours later, it breaks my heart. Anti abortionist don't know how worse they make things with their bans and controlling attitude.

No, they don't know because they can’t think for themselves, they are driven by religious beliefs that suit no one.:cry:

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Any woman who finds herself pregnant should regard herself as a carrier and protector of another life.  If they truly loved and valued its life, then (you would think) they would be willing to carry it to term and sacrifice her own life so that their child can live, but that should be a personal choice and how she personally connects with the life growing inside her.

If there is an obvious complication that will end both of their lives, then an abortion would need to take place with the mother's consent.  If only one life can be saved, then the mother should be allowed to make the choice to sacrifice her own life so that the infant may live, but again her choice.

If she however wishes to forgo her maternal duties and end that life because it is simply inconvenient or unwanted, then the mother should be granted the right to have the abortion with the clear understanding that she will be prosecuted afterwards.  A simple deterrent to persuade loose women to treat their bodies with greater respect.  The same of course applies to men who fail to take paternal care of both the mother and child throughout the pregnancy.  If they neglect their duties then they too should be prosecuted and declared an unfit father.

Sound common sense really.

Also a legal clause could be made on the marriage certificate which says that they agree to be jointly prosecuted if they decide to terminate a pregnancy for selfish reasons.

 

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