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Revisiting God Constructs


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17 hours ago, Piney said:

Interesting point. Star Trek TOS never showed a Christian preacher or service yet Babylon 5 did. 

Roddenberry utopianism versus Straczynski objective realism. Roddenberry had a squeaky clean, antiseptic vision of the future where all human vices (including religion) were managed, contained or eliminated. Straczynski thought-- all that in just three hundred years?!?!?  No effing way. Here Gene, hold my beer.

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29 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Straczynski objective realism

Kinda. The focal character here is a now-human woman who was born a space alien species, but after all, that's what her species does, reincarnate into humans, she just sped things along a bit, and transformed during life ...

 

 

Any excuse to play that clip; and rest in peace, Mira Furlan.

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48 minutes ago, eight bits said:

Kinda. The focal character here is a now-human woman who was born a space alien species, but after all, that's what her species does, reincarnate into humans, she just sped things along a bit, and transformed during life ...

 

 

Any excuse to play that clip; and rest in peace, Mira Furlan.

I can just about quote the lines verbatim, off the top of my head: Only one human captain has ever survived battle with a Minbari fleet. HE is behind me. You are in front of me. If you value your lives, BE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

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I (personally) find it implausible to believe that any being wanting to be considered "god"  would endorse or have anything to do with the idea of animal sacrifice. For such a being to tell it's followers that failing to follow their dictated code of conduct can be "forgiven" by murdering some other life form which has nothing to do with their mistake(s) - appears to bear no logical scrutiny.

 

Therefore I can not believe that the god of Abraham is any more than some bossy demon.

 

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9 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

I can just about quote the lines verbatim, off the top of my head: Only one human captain has ever survived battle with a Minbari fleet. HE is behind me. You are in front of me. If you value your lives, BE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

My sisters and I loved that scene. 

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1 hour ago, mw.decavia said:

I (personally) find it implausible to believe that any being wanting to be considered "god"  would endorse or have anything to do with the idea of animal sacrifice.

 

Me too.

 

1 hour ago, mw.decavia said:

For such a being to tell it's followers that failing to follow their dictated code of conduct can be "forgiven" by murdering some other life form which has nothing to do with their mistake(s) - appears to bear no logical scrutiny.

 

But God itself didn't tell its followers to do that. Certain men mistaking that being forgiven is only forthcoming by animal sacrifice are the ones who told that.

 

1 hour ago, mw.decavia said:

Therefore I can not believe that the god of Abraham is any more than some bossy demon.

 

Well, if you can't believe that, like many people can't, myself included, the way will always remain open to believing something else like I do, that a person who came along after Abraham put to rest once and for all that God doesn't and never has needed animal sacrifice or blood sacrifice of any kind for a person's misconduct to be forgiven. Even though it might take many years to come for a lot of people to realize that forgiveness for improper conduct only requires being forgiving of the improper conduct of others (even God's) for forgiveness to be forthcoming for oneself. 

 

Just thought I'd share my opinions with you. I read your initial "hello" thread and I was glad to see you say that all is well with you now and I hope it will continue to be that way from here on out. Welcome to the forum!

 

 

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6 hours ago, Piney said:

My sisters and I loved that scene. 

Bet they love this one, too.

 

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2 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

Bet they love this one, too.

 

Yup.

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19 hours ago, Will Due said:

 

Me too.

 

 

But God itself didn't tell its followers to do that. Certain men mistaking that being forgiven is only forthcoming by animal sacrifice are the ones who told that.

 

 

Well, if you can't believe that, like many people can't, myself included, the way will always remain open to believing something else like I do, that a person who came along after Abraham put to rest once and for all that God doesn't and never has needed animal sacrifice or blood sacrifice of any kind for a person's misconduct to be forgiven. Even though it might take many years to come for a lot of people to realize that forgiveness for improper conduct only requires being forgiving of the improper conduct of others (even God's) for forgiveness to be forthcoming for oneself. 

 

Just thought I'd share my opinions with you. I read your initial "hello" thread and I was glad to see you say that all is well with you now and I hope it will continue to be that way from here on out. Welcome to the forum!

 

 

Thank you for your welcome, Will. Because of logical issues like animal sacrifice which I mentioned, I lost the desire for Abrahamic religion long ago.

 

In this last year, faced with a high probability of my death, I have been trying to embrace Pure Land buddhism.

 

For all the millions or perhaps billions of people who believe in reincarnation or some who say they remember past lives, I can not say I am such an expert to declare reincarnation is impossible. But I do not want to be reincarnated here. Hopefully buddhism works enough that I am not forced back to this planet/species.

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1 hour ago, mw.decavia said:

faced with a high probability of my death

I did that last month. It does shift gears a little. 

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14 hours ago, mw.decavia said:

For all the millions or perhaps billions of people who believe in reincarnation or some who say they remember past lives, I can not say I am such an expert to declare reincarnation is impossible. But I do not want to be reincarnated here. Hopefully buddhism works enough that I am not forced back to this planet/species.

 

That's something I completely understand. 

All the best.

 

 

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17 hours ago, mw.decavia said:

Thank you for your welcome, Will. Because of logical issues like animal sacrifice which I mentioned, I lost the desire for Abrahamic religion long ago.

 

In this last year, faced with a high probability of my death, I have been trying to embrace Pure Land buddhism.

 

For all the millions or perhaps billions of people who believe in reincarnation or some who say they remember past lives, I can not say I am such an expert to declare reincarnation is impossible. But I do not want to be reincarnated here. Hopefully buddhism works enough that I am not forced back to this planet/species.

I have a list of Buddhist resources at my office if your interested in finding a Temple. 

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