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Revisiting God Constructs


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32 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Good luck with your thread @Sherapy. Looks like it'll be a **** show from this point forward. 

Indeed, it could easily descend into a flame baiting mess. 

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38 minutes ago, Guyver said:

What makes you think so?

Are you seriously asking that?

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17 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

Guyver, because of the complex interplay between sociopolitical movements, scientific understanding, and beliefs about gender and identity involves distinguishing between biological sex and gender identity. Research in biology, endocrinology, and psychology has shown that gender identity is influenced by a mix of biological, psychological, and social factors, extending beyond a basic binary view of sex. Unfortunately, based on posting history there are some posters who have issue with gender identity that isn’t binary and will use this thread as a platform to flame bait, when it isn’t the thread topic.
 

At this time culturally advocacy for gender inclusivity, is often associated with movements like "wokeism," which seeks to promote equality and respect for diverse gender identities. Of course, debates will persist and engaging in respectful dialogue and acknowledging the nuances of human identity can help foster understanding and inclusivity amidst differing viewpoints on these issues but it isn’t gonna be with Will or you. You are free to start a thread Guyv, but to derail the thread due to one’s own personal issues has no place. Thank you for getting back on topic. 

 

It will be my pleasure to address the topic of your thread, and I will also respect your wishes to avoid the subject of sex and gender identification issues.  However, I just want to say that I don’t believe I said anything offensive, nor was I flame baiting, I was just stating the basic scientifically understood facts about sex and reproduction as it pertains to humans. And these facts are misunderstood and misrepresented by many people.  In any event, point taken and I will drop it.  No, I do not wish to make a thread about it.

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15 minutes ago, Antigonos said:

Are you seriously asking that?

Yes….I was.  But, if Sherapy was correct and that’s what Xeno was referring to, then I am happy to drop it so that the thread does not become a shitshow. 

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On 3/29/2024 at 1:09 PM, Sherapy said:


This discussion invites participants to explore the dynamic shifts and evolving perspectives within religious thought and belief systems, particularly in relation to the questioning and reevaluation of traditional God constructs in modern contexts. The focus is on critically examining why established religious notions of God are encountering scrutiny or resistance in today's society, participants are encouraged to engage in a thoughtful exploration of the changing landscape of faith, spirituality, and religious identity. 


What fundamental qualities or attributes of traditional God constructs are facing scrutiny or disbelief to you in modern times, and why do you think these beliefs no longer hold up or do hold up? 
 

All thoughts welcome.

 

My thoughts are that those people who believe in and follow religious traditions are not interested in doing a critical examination of their belief systems, nor would they wish to reevaluate those perspectives.  For people like you and me (agnostics) such critical examination would certainly be a welcomed thing, but for people who appreciate their own religious beliefs, such a discussion would be considered a personal affront.

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15 minutes ago, Guyver said:

It will be my pleasure to address the topic of your thread, and I will also respect your wishes to avoid the subject of sex and gender identification issues.  However, I just want to say that I don’t believe I said anything offensive, nor was I flame baiting, I was just stating the basic scientifically understood facts about sex and reproduction as it pertains to humans. And these facts are misunderstood and misrepresented by many people.  In any event, point taken and I will drop it.  No, I do not wish to make a thread about it.

Thank you,  it was a request to you more than an admonishment. To be candid, Will has not participated in this thread other than to derail or flame bait by introducing topics that are not on topic or posts that do not make sense, for ex how someone identifies their gender is on them. I am simply taking a proactive approach on this thread to enjoy the posters who are  participating in the current discussion. . 
I appreciate your support.

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Just now, Sherapy said:

Thank you,  it was a request to you more than an admonishment. To be candid, Will has not participated in this thread other than to derail or flame bait by introducing topics that are not on topic or posts that do not make sense, for ex how someone identify thier gender is on them. I am simply taking a proactive approach on this thread to enjoy the posters who are  participating in the discussion. . 
I appreciate your support.

Fair enough….you have my support.

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5 minutes ago, Guyver said:

My thoughts are that those people who believe in and follow religious traditions are not interested in doing a critical examination of their belief systems, nor would they wish to reevaluate those perspectives.  For people like you and me (agnostics) such critical examination would certainly be a welcomed thing, but for people who appreciate their own religious beliefs, such a discussion would be considered a personal affront.

I get this, but it doesn’t preclude anyone from being respectful and empathetic becasue they struggle with other perspectives, IMHO this is a wonderful opportunity to explore other ideas or sit the thread out. 

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2 minutes ago, Guyver said:

Fair enough….you have my support.

Thank you, I appreciate this. 🙏🏼

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1 hour ago, Guyver said:

Ok….wow.  Way to open an enormous can of worms.  Would you mind elaborating on this point?  According to the dictionary, the primary definition of gender has to do with sex identification.  That is….until recently?

Every species that engages in sexual reproduction on earth  does so with two reproductive cells, an egg and a sperm.  Individuals of some species are capable of producing and exchanging both types of cell, some specialize in one. 

Obviously humans fall into this category, and for humans, normally one individual produces one type or the other of reproductive cell. That is the biology of it. 

Every species on earth has its own unique way of  reacting to other members of its species.  A praying mantis, an elephant, a killer whale and a penguin all behave differently within their societies.  The role of sperm producer or egg producer is not universal for life on earth.

 Biology does not require an airline pilot, a lawyer, a doctor, or a scholar to be an egg producer or a sperm producer.  Qualities required for those roles do not include production of reproductive cells.   Most Individuals want to participate  in society in  the roles  that makes them most comfortable.  AFAIK, there are no species with a fixed society and rigid gender roles that is as widespread and as adaptable as humanity.  It is part of our success.

 

 

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Just now, Tatetopa said:

Every species that engages in sexual reproduction on earth  does so with two reproductive cells, an egg and a sperm.  Individuals of some species are capable of producing and exchanging both types of cell, some specialize in one. 

Obviously humans fall into this category, and for humans, normally one individual produces one type or the other of reproductive cell. That is the biology of it. 

Every species on earth has its own unique way of  reacting to other members of its species.  A praying mantis, an elephant, a killer whale and a penguin all behave differently within their societies.  The role of sperm producer or egg producer is not universal for life on earth.

 Biology does not require an airline pilot, a lawyer, a doctor, or a scholar to be an egg producer or a sperm producer.  Qualities required for those roles do not include production of reproductive cells.   Most Individuals want to participate  in society in  the roles  that makes them most comfortable.  AFAIK, there are no species with a fixed society and rigid gender roles that is as widespread and as adaptable as humanity.  It is part of our success.

 

 

And I should add to keep on topic,  this argument about gender and sex has little to do with the construct of god.

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I am glad we got Will laughing anyway.  As the UB says, "Humor is the best medicine."  Oh wait, that was Reader's Digest.

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You know how sometimes when you see a child express themselves about something with great passion, big eyed and perhaps with a lot of emotion and weeping, you chuckle and laugh a bit, not at them but with compassion knowing they'll get through it like you did, as they grow older.

That's all. :D

I hope you all have a great day! :tu:

 

 

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3 hours ago, Will Due said:

 

You know how sometimes when you see a child express themselves about something with great passion, big eyed and perhaps with a lot of emotion and weeping, you chuckle and laugh a bit, not at them but with compassion knowing they'll get through it like you did, as they grow older.

That's all. :D

I hope you all have a great day! :tu:

 

 

It's kinda creepy how much you talk about kids.

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8 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

It's kinda creepy how much you talk about kids.

 

See what I mean? You're just a kid who hasn't learned not to be such a hater. :lol:

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

See what I mean? You're just a kid who hasn't learned not to be such a hater. :lol:

 

 

I'm an adult making an observation. You're not worth my hatred. 

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2 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

I'm an adult making an observation. You're not worth my hatred. 

 

An adult? Yeah some kids go marching around their house thinking they're an "adult". :tu:

 

 

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12 hours ago, Will Due said:

 

You know how sometimes when you see a child express themselves about something with great passion, big eyed and perhaps with a lot of emotion and weeping, you chuckle and laugh a bit, not at them but with compassion knowing they'll get through it like you did, as they grow older.

That's all. :D

I hope you all have a great day! :tu:

 

 

Well that certainly is an approach…

But it is better to approach children expressing themselves with empathy, understanding, and validation of their feelings. Laughing or chuckling in response to a child's emotional expression, no matter how passionate or intense, is dismissive and discourages the child from sharing their emotions in the future. 

Child psychologists emphasize the importance of creating a safe and supportive environment for children to express their feelings openly. By acknowledging and accepting a child's emotions, we help them develop emotional intelligence, coping skills, and a sense of security in their ability to communicate their feelings.

Instead of laughing, why not learn to listen actively Will, offer comfort, and validate a person’s emotions by expressing understanding and support. Encouraging people to express themselves in a healthy way fosters their emotional development and strengthens the bonds between others. No wonder this is a struggle for you. 

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6 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

Well that certainly is an approach…

But it is better to approach children expressing themselves with empathy, understanding, and validation of their feelings. Laughing or chuckling in response to a child's emotional expression, no matter how passionate or intense, is dismissive and discourages the child from sharing their emotions in the future. 

Child psychologists emphasize the importance of creating a safe and supportive environment for children to express their feelings openly. By acknowledging and accepting a child's emotions, we help them develop emotional intelligence, coping skills, and a sense of security in their ability to communicate their feelings.

Instead of laughing, why not learn to listen actively Will, offer comfort, and validate a person’s emotions by expressing understanding and support. Encouraging people to express themselves in a healthy way fosters their emotional development and strengthens the bonds between others. No wonder this is a struggle for you. 

 

You crack me up Sheri.

One of my daughters, when she was a little girl, struggled to understand certain basic things. She made demands of me then in the same way you're doing now. It was very heartbreaking for me. I didn't want her to struggle the way she was. But I knew there wasn't much I could do to help her except to try to put her mind at ease by telling her that someday, we would talk again and it would all be clear to her.

Well that day finally came. It was more than 20 years later when she sought me out one day to tell me that she understood now what she wasn't able to understand then and that I was right, that we would someday have the talk we were having.

We share a lot more things about life now and it's interesting to note that she still makes demands of me and never hesitates to tell me what to do. :D

Bless you Sheri

 

 

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On 3/29/2024 at 3:09 PM, Sherapy said:

All thoughts welcome.

For me: as an agnostic reflecting on the limitations of monotheistic presentations of God has prompted skepticism about the complexities of divine concepts and the challenges of articulating the ineffable. The tension between human attempts to define or comprehend a singular, transcendent God and the mysteries that lie beyond human cognition undergirds my quest. 

For me, the inherent limitations have inspired humility, curiosity, and openness to diverse spiritual perspectives and interpretations of god or no god. Engaging with the concept a god beyond human comprehension has helped me to embrace uncertainty, mystery, and wonder.

As I navigate the complexities of monotheistic presentations of God and encounter the limitations in human understanding, it has sparked a journey of self-discovery, intellectual inquiry, and growth that has fostered a deeper appreciation for the mysteries and complexities in spite of the incomprehensibility. 

What are some "limitations of monotheistic representations of God"? Why do you feel that they are limitations? 

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You've said that you foster a general sense of "openness to diverse spiritual perspectives and interpretations of god..." Why? For what reason? You want to learn more about God? 

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1 hour ago, ReadTheGreatControversyEGW said:

Why? For what reason? You want to learn more about God?

Hi Read

My intetest is in how beliefs affect a persons life, what challenges faced brought change to that person. Just coming and quoting verses doesn't tell your story of transition there is nothing personal being expressed. Many people have used the very same passages over the years expressing different positions and perspectives of what those words mean to them which tells us something about that person but is still very general in nature as that person does not share what their life was or is so there is nothing to connect your words with your deeds. I am using the descriptor you in a general srnse and not perdonally

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7 hours ago, Will Due said:

 

You crack me up Sheri.

One of my daughters, when she was a little girl, struggled to understand certain basic things. She made demands of me then in the same way you're doing now. It was very heartbreaking for me. I didn't want her to struggle the way she was. But I knew there wasn't much I could do to help her except to try to put her mind at ease by telling her that someday, we would talk again and it would all be clear to her.

Well that day finally came. It was more than 20 years later when she sought me out one day to tell me that she understood now what she wasn't able to understand then and that I was right, that we would someday have the talk we were having.

We share a lot more things about life now and it's interesting to note that she still makes demands of me and never hesitates to tell me what to do. :D

Bless you Sheri

 

 

Will, that is an interesting approach, to wait 20 years to have a conversation with your daughter. But, each to their own. Thank you for sharing. 

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8 hours ago, ReadTheGreatControversyEGW said:

What are some "limitations of monotheistic representations of God"? Why do you feel that they are limitations? 

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You've said that you foster a general sense of "openness to diverse spiritual perspectives and interpretations of god..." Why? For what reason? You want to learn more about God? 

For some, their god construct is a very big deal, I simply find it interesting the different approaches taken and the many different application of beliefs/perspectives. 
 

On limitations, the problem of evil is a tough problem to overcome for monotheism. 
 

Your thoughts?

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9 hours ago, Will Due said:

 

You crack me up Sheri.

One of my daughters, when she was a little girl, struggled to understand certain basic things. She made demands of me then in the same way you're doing now. It was very heartbreaking for me. I didn't want her to struggle the way she was. But I knew there wasn't much I could do to help her except to try to put her mind at ease by telling her that someday, we would talk again and it would all be clear to her.

Well that day finally came. It was more than 20 years later when she sought me out one day to tell me that she understood now what she wasn't able to understand then and that I was right, that we would someday have the talk we were having.

We share a lot more things about life now and it's interesting to note that she still makes demands of me and never hesitates to tell me what to do. :D

Bless you Sheri

 

 

Well, thank god somebody else bothered to raise her.

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