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An attack of the vapours: Tennessee bill endorses chemtrails conspiracy theory


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On 4/13/2024 at 8:42 PM, joc said:

Chemtrails are an epic fail! There are no chemtrails! They are contrails. 

Heavy sigh

But hey we are talking about Tennessee!

Not entirely as there are patents for just that, but having a patent doesn't mean they're actually doing it. The one patent that I have researched is Stratospheric Welsbach seeding for reduction of global warming. This patent was initially filed by Hughes Aircraft and the patent has expired, but and a big but is that Raytheon has acquired it. Raytheon is now known as RTX https://www.rtx.com/raytheon

https://patents.justia.com/patent/5003186

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Apr 23, 1990 - Hughes Aircraft Company

A method is described for reducing atmospheric or global warming resulting from the presence of heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere, i.e., from the greenhouse effect. Such gases are relatively transparent to sunshine, but absorb strongly the long-wavelength infrared radiation released by the earth. The method incudes the step of seeding the layer of heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere with particles of materials characterized by wavelength-dependent emissivity. Such materials include Welsbach materials and the oxides of metals which have high emissivity (and thus low reflectivities) in the visible and 8-12 micron infrared wavelength regions.

 

The dispersal method most widely considered is adding the materials to the jet fuel itself.

The UN passed a moratorium on geoengineering for climate change until at such time it is proved to be safe.  So yes countries are experimenting with weather modification and climate control and the prime delivery mechanism is aircraft.

Presently there are 8 U.S. states that are actively engaged in weather modification from aircraft dispersal methods to land based installations mostly for hail suppression to snow augmentation. 

https://weathermod.org/project-locations/ 

Here's a Wiki article on the subject.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratospheric_aerosol_injection

The issue with Chemtrails is that some people automatically think it is for nefarious purposes and they would be wrong (for now). The biggest problem would be the unintended consequences that could be produced by geoengineering our climate. After all we have done so well with introducing one species to control another species and end up with a invasive plague of that species.

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44 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

Not entirely as there are patents for just that, but having a patent doesn't mean they're actually doing it. The one patent that I have researched is Stratospheric Welsbach seeding for reduction of global warming. This patent was initially filed by Hughes Aircraft and the patent has expired, but and a big but is that Raytheon has acquired it. Raytheon is now known as RTX https://www.rtx.com/raytheon

https://patents.justia.com/patent/5003186

The dispersal method most widely considered is adding the materials to the jet fuel itself.

The UN passed a moratorium on geoengineering for climate change until at such time it is proved to be safe.  So yes countries are experimenting with weather modification and climate control and the prime delivery mechanism is aircraft.

Presently there are 8 U.S. states that are actively engaged in weather modification from aircraft dispersal methods to land based installations mostly for hail suppression to snow augmentation. 

https://weathermod.org/project-locations/ 

Here's a Wiki article on the subject.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratospheric_aerosol_injection

The issue with Chemtrails is that some people automatically think it is for nefarious purposes and they would be wrong (for now). The biggest problem would be the unintended consequences that could be produced by geoengineering our climate. After all we have done so well with introducing one species to control another species and end up with a invasive plague of that species.

Tbe chemtrails conspiracy has been revolving around for decades.

There are no Chemtrails. 

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3 hours ago, Montello said:

yes they are poisoning  air

If you drive a petrol/diesel car or have a fireplace or stove in your house, then you are poisoning the air ;) 

Aircraft exhausts do have an effect by it's much smaller, especially given the altitudes at which they fly.   It's pollution created and spread at ground level you should be concerned about.

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8 hours ago, Montello said:

yes they are poisoning  air

Who are "they" ?

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On 4/16/2024 at 6:03 AM, joc said:

Tbe chemtrails conspiracy has been revolving around for decades.

There are no Chemtrails. 

It really isn't a conspiracy, just the people that think it's for something like mind control and other nefarious purposes. 

Dubai Grinds to Standstill as Cloud Seeding Worsens Flooding

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The Gulf state’s National Center of Meteorology dispatched seeding planes from Al Ain airport on Monday and Tuesday to take advantage of convective cloud formations, according to Ahmed Habib, a specialist meteorologist. That technique involves implanting chemicals and tiny particles — often natural salts such as potassium chloride — into the atmosphere to coax more rain from clouds.

They got about 2 years of rain in 24 hours. But let's chalk it up to climate change. :rolleyes:

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42 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

It really isn't a conspiracy, just the people that think it's for something like mind control and other nefarious purposes. 

Dubai Grinds to Standstill as Cloud Seeding Worsens Flooding

They got about 2 years of rain in 24 hours. But let's chalk it up to climate change. :rolleyes:

I'm not talking about Dubai! Who knows what those people do I'm talking about the United states! All of the trails that you see in the United States are contrails not chemtrails. Where do you think there's chemtrails in the us?

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6 minutes ago, joc said:

I'm not talking about Dubai! Who knows what those people do I'm talking about the United states! All of the trails that you see in the United States are contrails not chemtrails. Where do you think there's chemtrails in the us?

You must of missed the post where I provided the information about 8 U.S. states engaged in weather modification.

There's a whole industry growing up around it. 

http://www.weathermodification.com/aircraft.php

There's a whole lot of information that can be acquired if one has the notion to do so. (caution long held narratives by be challenged)

https://www.grunge.com/810034/how-scientists-manipulate-the-weather-by-flying-planes-into-clouds/

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One of the sites  you posted is not secure.

The other one Grunge was rated by MediaBiasFactCheck.com as questionable.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/grunge/

  • Overall, we rate the Grunge Questionable due to lack of sourcing, sensational headlines, and with minimal bias due to the desire to induce clicks. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting for the same reasons.

Try again

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10 hours ago, joc said:

I'm not talking about Dubai! Who knows what those people do I'm talking about the United states! All of the trails that you see in the United States are contrails not chemtrails. Where do you think there's chemtrails in the us?

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/14/weather/cloud-seeding-weather-modification-wxn/index.html

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/mar/23/us-stated-cloud-seeding-weather-modification

https://apnews.com/article/climate-change-cloud-seeding-colorado-river-f02c216532f698230d575d97a4a8ac7b

As I have stated there is plenty of information for those who choose to research it.

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16 hours ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

Yes Buzz!  Seeding clouds is nothing new.  But please tell me Buzz, why would they be seeding clouds over Dallas over San Antonio over Austin over Houston over LA over all of the big American cities why?  Who would be seating clouds all over the United States of america? And why? No one that's who! It's not happening it's never been happening. You're talking about isolated incidents while there is a larger conspiracy mindset that they, whoever they are, are doing something to us the people! It's absurd! That's what I'm talking about!

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7 hours ago, joc said:

Yes Buzz!  Seeding clouds is nothing new.  But please tell me Buzz, why would they be seeding clouds over Dallas over San Antonio over Austin over Houston over LA over all of the big American cities why?  Who would be seating clouds all over the United States of america? And why? No one that's who! It's not happening it's never been happening. You're talking about isolated incidents while there is a larger conspiracy mindset that they, whoever they are, are doing something to us the people! It's absurd! That's what I'm talking about!

Here are some forms you can download to apply for a license to modify the weather in the state of Texas.

https://www.tdlr.texas.gov/weather/wmodforms.htm

Here's a map of weather modification projects in Texas.

https://www.tdlr.texas.gov/weather/weathermodmap.htm

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You're talking about isolated incidents while there is a larger conspiracy mindset that they, whoever they are, are doing something to us the people!

I've already stated that 8 states are actively modifying the weather and that isn't isolated incidents. On top of that there are 50 countries that are using some form of weather modification and that is why the UN issued a moratorium on geoengineering the climate. Of course it fell on deaf ears. 

https://now.northropgrumman.com/making-rain-science-weather-manipulation

Not only the purposeful and direct seeding there's the increased rainfall from the simple act of irrigating crops in western states that have a downwind increase in precipitation due to increased evaporation. Even cities have a downwind affect on weather.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/01/here-comes-the-rain-again-how-cities-modify-the-weather

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Acres of tarmac, skyscrapers and miles of suburbs all alter the amount of solar energy that land absorbs and re-radiates. The built environment modifies the weather that a city receives; but how far does a city’s influence over the weather extend?

Qi Li, from Cornell University in New York, and colleagues monitored summer rainfall patterns over a 60km (37 mile) radius of 27 US cities over a six-year period. Their results, published in Earth’s Future, found that more than 80% of cities they monitored had a significant increase in rainfall in the downwind direction.

 

Weather modification is not a conspiracy and I can say without reservation that the militaries and governments of the world would like nothing more than to utilize the technology for their advantage and that they are actively researching the possibility. 

I've made an effort to separate the conspiracy aspects of chemtrails to the facts of weather modification but there is that pesky law of "Unintended Consequences" that we all must acknowledge.

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Don't forget - in order to seed clouds and induce rainfall, there have to be moisture bearing clouds to seed  ;)      You can't "seed" blue skies!


(And no, the record rain in Dubai was not caused by cloud seeding!)

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1 hour ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

Here are some forms you can download to apply for a license to modify the weather in the state of Texas.

https://www.tdlr.texas.gov/weather/wmodforms.htm

Here's a map of weather modification projects in Texas.

https://www.tdlr.texas.gov/weather/weathermodmap.htm

I've already stated that 8 states are actively modifying the weather and that isn't isolated incidents. On top of that there are 50 countries that are using some form of weather modification and that is why the UN issued a moratorium on geoengineering the climate. Of course it fell on deaf ears. 

https://now.northropgrumman.com/making-rain-science-weather-manipulation

Not only the purposeful and direct seeding there's the increased rainfall from the simple act of irrigating crops in western states that have a downwind increase in precipitation due to increased evaporation. Even cities have a downwind affect on weather.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/01/here-comes-the-rain-again-how-cities-modify-the-weather

Weather modification is not a conspiracy and I can say without reservation that the militaries and governments of the world would like nothing more than to utilize the technology for their advantage and that they are actively researching the possibility. 

I've made an effort to separate the conspiracy aspects of chemtrails to the facts of weather modification but there is that pesky law of "Unintended Consequences" that we all must acknowledge.

I really don't think you have made an effort at all really.  You just keep beating the same old 'weather modification' drum.  

The Conspiracy has nothing to do with weather modification. The Conspiracy has everything to do with the ignorance of millions of people with regards to contrails.  These people believe that every time contrails make a X in the sky that it means the evil government is targeting the masses. 

And now it appears this idiocy has leaked into the state government of Tennessee.

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51 minutes ago, joc said:

I really don't think you have made an effort at all really.  You just keep beating the same old 'weather modification' drum.  

The Conspiracy has nothing to do with weather modification. The Conspiracy has everything to do with the ignorance of millions of people with regards to contrails.  These people believe that every time contrails make a X in the sky that it means the evil government is targeting the masses. 

And now it appears this idiocy has leaked into the state government of Tennessee.

The Tennessee bill does not even use the word chemtrails.

You stated that they were not spraying chemicals into the atmosphere and I simply presented evidence that they do and will continue to do so. This happens every time someone mentions chemtrails that it is for some nefarious purpose and when someone proves that it is a reality the first thing people do is latch onto the conspiracy aspects of it and it is the default paradigm.

The Tennessee bill simply protects the skies over the state should the plan to inject materials into the atmosphere to offset global warming come to fruition.  Yes dispersal of materials into the atmosphere is actively being researched and that is something you and others have to get a grasp of. I don't have a crystal ball to say whether they'll ever deploy the technology but research is being conducted and not just in the U.S. 

https://scitechdaily.com/stratospheric-aerosol-injection-new-research-uncovers-potential-solution-to-ice-sheet-loss-caused-by-climate-change/

This article is from MIT Technology Review. 

https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/12/24/1066041/a-startup-says-its-begun-releasing-particles-into-the-atmosphere-in-an-effort-to-tweak-the-climate/

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A startup claims it has launched weather balloons that may have released reflective sulfur particles in the stratosphere, potentially crossing a controversial barrier in the field of solar geoengineering.

Geoengineering refers to deliberate efforts to manipulate the climate by reflecting more sunlight back into space, mimicking a natural process that occurs in the aftermath of large volcanic eruptions. In theory, spraying sulfur and similar particles in sufficient quantities could potentially ease global warming.

It’s not technically difficult to release such compounds into the stratosphere. But scientists have mostly (though not entirely) refrained from carrying out even small-scale outdoor experiments. And it’s not clear that any have yet injected materials into that specific layer of the atmosphere in the context of geoengineering-related research.

 

 

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On 4/17/2024 at 10:46 PM, Buzz_Light_Year said:

It really isn't a conspiracy, just the people that think it's for something like mind control and other nefarious purposes. 

Dubai Grinds to Standstill as Cloud Seeding Worsens Flooding

They got about 2 years of rain in 24 hours. But let's chalk it up to climate change. :rolleyes:

Rain which was forecast even before the cloud seeding took place.

We need to get some of those weather forecasters from Dubai over here!

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On 4/1/2024 at 9:42 PM, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

I see,,, "natural". HeHummm

Image result for chemtrails criss-cross pics  image.jpeg.51bb2148bb29e1f49de39e93961fcc6e.jpeg

Contrails (/ˈkɒntrlz/; short for "condensation trails") or vapor trails are line-shaped clouds produced by aircraft engine exhaust or changes in air pressure, typically at aircraft cruising altitudes several miles above the Earth's surface. They are composed primarily of water, in the form of ice crystals. The combination of water vapor in aircraft engine exhaust and the low ambient temperatures at high altitudes causes the trails' formation. Impurities in the engine exhaust from the fuel, including sulfur compounds (0.05% by weight in jet fuel) provide some of the particles that serve as cloud condensation nuclei for water droplet growth in the exhaust. If water droplets form, they can freeze to form ice particles that compose a contrail.[1] Their formation can also be triggered by changes in air pressure in wingtip vortices, or in the air over the entire wing surface.[2] Contrails, and other clouds caused directly by human activity, are called homogenitus.[3]

Depending on the temperature and humidity at the altitude where the contrails form, they may be visible for only a few seconds or minutes, or may persist for hours and spread to be several miles wide, eventually resembling natural cirrus or altocumulus clouds.[1] Persistent contrails are of particular interest to scientists because they increase the cloudiness of the atmosphere.[1] The resulting cloud forms are formally described as homomutatus,[3] and may resemble cirrus, cirrocumulus, or cirrostratus, and are sometimes called cirrus aviaticus.[4] Some persistent spreading contrails contribute to climate change.[

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