Trump 2024 pros and cons

[the13bats]

The truth is in 2016 I got most of my political info right here on this forum same in 2020, so here we are another election year,  boy time flies.

We have a thread outlining Biden so here's one for trump,

Pros and cons of him being the next potus and please keep it to facts not opinions

Thanx all.

 

 

 

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

Trump is both - a pro at being a con.

[acidhead]

12 minutes ago, the13bats said:

Pros and cons of him being the next potus and please keep it to facts not opinions

Thanx all.

"please keep it to facts" 

Best of luck with that!  

🤣

[+and-then]

I don't believe that this election will be honored as legitimate by the loser.  It could very easily be America's last election.  The mail-in ballots with no provision for proving the ballot was legitimate, as well as the new trend of vote-counting taking days and in nearly every instance, at the end of that extended period, the apparent winner is magically overtaken and beaten, will put the final nail in our coffin.

  About the only way forward to save this country now would be to return to paper ballots, same day registration and same day voting with mandatory biometric ID.   Any votes "found" after the polls close would have to be canceled as tainted.  We all know there is a single party that would never agree to these means of verification and because of that, we are about to put paid to our little experiment in human freedom.  Imagine the surprise of those who actually believe that if their media says a thing is true, then EVERYONE MUST OBEY, when they find that roughly half the country tells them to pound sand.    

Edited April 4 by and-then

[the13bats]

1 hour ago, and-then said:

I don't believe that this election will be honored as legitimate by the loser.  It could very easily be America's last election.  The mail-in ballots with no provision for proving the ballot was legitimate, as well as the new trend of vote-counting taking days and in nearly every instance, at the end of that extended period, the apparent winner is magically overtaken and beaten, will put the final nail in our coffin.

  About the only way forward to save this country now would be to return to paper ballots, same day registration and same day voting with mandatory biometric ID.   Any votes "found" after the polls close would have to be canceled as tainted.  We all know there is a single party that would never agree to these means of verification and because of that, we are about to put paid to our little experiment in human freedom.  Imagine the surprise of those who actually believe that if their media says a thing is true, then EVERYONE MUST OBEY, when they find that roughly half the country tells them to pound sand.    

I simply do not subscribe to your threats of half the country will do this or that if big D doesn't win you guys pounded sand as you call it 2020 and will again unless your Messiah wins.

that aside,

Mail in ballots are not really an issue this time it's not going to be the source of a sore loser claiming with zero evidence fraud like 2020,

The thing is even if this country put into place everything "and then" deems necessary for a fair election if BOM lost you and he still wouldn't honor it you and he have both proven to me beyond doubt any outcome that doesn't crown big D king of Amerika will be denounced and whatever it takes to try to steal the election from the honest winner will be implicated.

 

[Grim Reaper 6]

1 hour ago, and-then said:

I don't believe that this election will be honored as legitimate by the loser.  It could very easily be America's last election.  The mail-in ballots with no provision for proving the ballot was legitimate, as well as the new trend of vote-counting taking days and in nearly every instance, at the end of that extended period, the apparent winner is magically overtaken and beaten, will put the final nail in our coffin.

Do you think for a moment that by parroting the conversations from Truth Social (yes I have an account) that it will become reality?

Now, I know for a fact that you're not crazy or controlled, so do you honestly believe all the crap that is discussed there?? (Don't tell me you don't have an account) 

1 hour ago, and-then said:

  About the only way forward to save this country now would be to return to paper ballots, same day registration and same day voting with mandatory biometric ID.   Any votes "found" after the polls close would have to be canceled as tainted.  We all know there is a single party that would never agree to these means of verification and because of that, we are about to put paid to our little experiment in human freedom.  Imagine the surprise of those who actually believe that if their media says a thing is true, then EVERYONE MUST OBEY, when they find that roughly half the country tells them to pound sand.    

Here you go with half the country again, neither Biden nor Trump controls half of the 341,814,420 that are registered as US Citizens. If Trump is lucky, he will be able to pull at least the number of voters he had in the last election. Well, as far as the way the election handled in this upcoming election, if Congress and the Senate wait much longer there will be no way to change the voting process because the states will do it. This is a complicated issue, and no matter how badly YOU personally want to change it nothing is going happen quickly.

Let's face it, pontificating about this over and over again will do nothing, so I would relax if I were you, and simply face the facts, oh and by the way Truth Social is mad house full of some of the craziest people in America. The reason I got membership was to see for self just crazy that site actually is. I go there every day to see the latest nonsense that is being discussed and to read your masters posts. It is an eye-opening experience and also one of those things you must see to believe it's just that insane!!!!!!

JIMHO

[Grim Reaper 6]

4 minutes ago, the13bats said:

I simply do not subscribe to your threats of half the country will do this or that if big D doesn't win you guys pounded sand as you call it 2020 and will again unless your Messiah wins.

that aside,

Mail in ballots are not really an issue this time it's not going to be the source of a sore loser claiming with zero evidence fraud like 2020,

The thing is even if this country put into place everything "and then" deems necessary for a fair election if BOM lost you and he still wouldn't honor it you and he have both proven to me beyond doubt any outcome that doesn't crown big D king of Amerika will be denounced and whatever it takes to try to steal the election from the honest winner will be implicated.

 

I totally agree with you Bats, no matter what if Trump loses it will the same old song, the election was stolen. The only difference this time, is the fact that the government is ready for any civil disorder caused by Trump and his minions. There will never be another January 6, 2021, hopefully the Maganites realize this because there will be no holds barred this time. 

Peace Bats

[the13bats]

37 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

Do you think for a moment that by parroting the conversations from Truth Social (yes I have an account) that it will become reality?

Now, I know for a fact that you're not crazy or controlled, so do you honestly believe all the crap that is discussed there?? (Don't tell me you don't have an account) 

Here you go with half the country again, neither Biden nor Trump controls half of the 341,814,420 that are registered as US Citizens. If Trump is lucky, he will be able to pull at least the number of voters he had in the last election. Well, as far as the way the election handled in this upcoming election, if Congress and the Senate wait much longer there will be no way to change the voting process because the states will do it. This is a complicated issue, and no matter how badly YOU personally want to change it nothing is going happen quickly.

Let's face it, pontificating about this over and over again will do nothing, so I would relax if I were you, and simply face the facts, oh and by the way Truth Social is mad house full of some of the craziest people in America. The reason I got membership was to see for self just crazy that site actually is. I go there every day to see the latest nonsense that is being discussed and to read your masters posts. It is an eye-opening experience and also one of those things you must see to believe it's just that insane!!!!!!

JIMHO

if BOM is posting instigating rhetoric and things do go south with minions of his he might just end up like Manson did after he instagated stuff.

[the13bats]

34 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

I totally agree with you Bats, no matter what if Trump loses it will the same old song, the election was stolen. The only difference this time, is the fact that the government is ready for any civil disorder caused by Trump and his minions. There will never be another January 6, 2021, hopefully the Maganites realize this because there will be no holds barred this time. 

Peace Bats

Okay so I guess this would be a con for big D 2024

Like I said if his time he instagates anything that interrupts vote count etc it will simply keep Joey in office longer don't those minions know that?
Anyway I haven't seen any pros yet as to 2024 going to big D

 

[Grim Reaper 6]

12 minutes ago, the13bats said:

if BOM is posting instigating rhetoric and things do go south with minions of his he might just end up like Manson did after he instagated stuff.

Man, we can only hope, but I doubt it because he is an Ex President of the United States. Unfortunately, I believe that will prevent him from ever seeing any jail time. Do, I agree with it hell no, however I am unable to change it so there is no reason to become stressed out about it, like others here do.

Peace my brother!!!!

[Grim Reaper 6]

5 minutes ago, the13bats said:

Okay so I guess this would be a con for big D 2024

Like I said if his time he instagates anything that interrupts vote count etc it will simply keep Joey in office longer don't those minions know that?
Anyway I haven't seen any pros yet as to 2024 going to big D

 

His minions are detached from reality, the time I have spent on Truth Social has proven that to me. If you want to see how bad it actually is, join Truth Social you will not believe your own eye's. It is a very sobering experience, not because I am worried about them, but because they believe ANYTHING Trump says without question. What amazed me most is that anyone could or would give up their freedom of thought and submit to another individual. Its freaky, it's unnatural, and it goes against everything I have been taught my entire life!!

[the13bats]

11 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

Man, we can only hope, but I doubt it because he is an Ex President of the United States. Unfortunately, I believe that will prevent him from ever seeing any jail time. Do, I agree with it hell no, however I am unable to change it so there is no reason to become stressed out about it, like others here do.

Peace my brother!!!!

I used to adamantly say he would never do jail time and I still believe that however,

I now believe that while unlikely if it got where he was considered a danger to people he could be held in a mental type facility or allowed supervised house arrest at one of his joints hopefully new York,

At some point America will simply not allow him to instagate the feeble minded into acts of violence.

 

[Grim Reaper 6]

6 minutes ago, the13bats said:

I used to adamantly say he would never do jail time and I still believe that however,

I now believe that while unlikely if it got where he was considered a danger to people he could be held in a mental type facility or allowed supervised house arrest at one of his joints hopefully new York,

That's certainly very possible because there is little doubt that he is mentally ill. Because being a Malignant Narcissist is a personality disorder and according to the symptoms, he certainly suffers from it!!!

6 minutes ago, the13bats said:

At some point America will simply not allow him to instagate the feeble minded into acts of violence.

 

 

[Tatetopa]

[+DieChecker]

The pros and cons depends on the individual, and thus on an opinion...

For instance, if Justice Sotomayor was to retire, or pass away, under Trump, and another Conservative got put on the SCOTUS, about 40% would call that a pro, and 40% would call that a con.

Things Trump will probably do...

Lock down the southern border somehow. 

Perhaps crack down on immigrants.

Reverse much of the "Woke" executive orders Biden signed. 

Encourage legislation against DEI agenda on a national scale. In government, business, and education.

Continue spending like a madman.

Increase military spending.

Decrease entitlement spending. (Just because a program is "mandatory spending" does not mean legislation cant charge, or remove, and entire program.)

Name an aircraft carrier after himself.

Back pro-police legistation at a national level.

Back pro-Christian legislation. 

Back pro-Life abortion legislation.

Pull back from Climate Change international agreements.

....

Not all of these are going to be winners, but there will be many on both sides of all of these. But with Trump in office, and very likely a Republican House and Senate hus first two years, these could all happen.

Im generally a conservative, and a state rights, kind of guy, so I'd favor some of these, but FedGov blanket laws on religion, abortion, voting... smells bad to me.

Immigration, I support them coming, but doing so within the laws.

Budget/Spending... I wish he'd take seriously, but i doubt he will.

"Woke", is culture war, so probably will get a lot of attention. Being woke as a company/organization/school might turn from the "in" thing to the "out" thing. Especially if FedGov eyes are tracking whos doing what.

[+susieice]

I did see this last night. Jimmy Kimmel. 

Jimmy Kimmel Reminds Trump Just How Much He's Hated By People Who Know Him Best (msn.com)

[the13bats]

So ,I'm still waiting any pros to the big D winning 2024?

[Edumakated]

19 minutes ago, the13bats said:

So ,I'm still waiting any pros to the big D winning 2024?

No mean tweets?  

Less people driving helping enviroment due to high gas prices?

Everyone on a diet since they ccant afford groceries?

Military equipment not being mothballed since we'd have some wars to fight?

I'm sure can think of some other positives of Democrat leadership.

[the13bats]

1 hour ago, Edumakated said:

No mean tweets?  

Less people driving helping enviroment due to high gas prices?

Everyone on a diet since they ccant afford groceries?

Military equipment not being mothballed since we'd have some wars to fight?

I'm sure can think of some other positives of Democrat leadership.

Yes. I agree big ds near constant babbling rage tweets were played out. So pro.

So when big D takes office 2024 gas prices will go higher than what they now are because the POTUS has complete and total control of gas prices. That's sounds like a cn.

 I didn't know but thanks for cluing me in that the potus also is in complete control of grocerie prics, so big D if he wins prices will go higher,  so another con

So you are saying big D will start wars we can't fight because he mothballed our military gear, he does bumble things up that way. So another con

Okay can you now please try to give me pros of big D leadership

[Katniss]

5 hours ago, the13bats said:

So ,I'm still waiting any pros to the big D winning 2024?

Oh can I try?

Pro, But for the upper class to ultra rich and corporations only. More tax cuts. Reduce IRS power to nothing. Pardons for Trump and his loyal friends. Lax laws to easily commit corruption and to stay in power. Annnnnnd, wait for it, more money, more money, more money all for them!

Con, But for the rest of us and age of Idiocracy. Yay!

Edited April 5 by Katniss

[Grim Reaper 6]

9 minutes ago, Katniss said:

Oh can I try?

Pro, But for the upper class to ultra rich and corporations only. More tax cuts. Reduce IRS power to nothing. Pardons for Trump and his loyal friends. Lax laws to easily commit corruption and to stay in power. Annnnnnd, wait for it, more money, more money, more money all for them!

Con, But for the rest of us and age of Idiocracy. Yay!

This certainly true, I think you just hit the nail in the head with a sledge Hammer.

I think you may be interested in this.

 

[Grim Reaper 6]

5 hours ago, the13bats said:

So ,I'm still waiting any pros to the big D winning 2024?

I think the only Con is Donald Trump when he forced to put his new suit on!!!

The Orange Man!!

[+susieice]

5 hours ago, Edumakated said:

No mean tweets?  

Less people driving helping enviroment due to high gas prices?

Everyone on a diet since they ccant afford groceries?

Military equipment not being mothballed since we'd have some wars to fight?

I'm sure can think of some other positives of Democrat leadership.

You totally avoided the question of the thread. What are Donald's positive points? You knew big D wasn't referring to Democrats or you didn't read the thread.

[Grim Reaper 6]

2 minutes ago, susieice said:

You totally avoided the question of the thread. What are Donald's positive points? You knew big D wasn't referring to Democrats or you didn't read the thread.

He is very aware of the intent of this thread, but he will admit it!

[+susieice]

5 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

He is very aware of the intent of this thread, but he will admit it!

Doesn't sound too convincing about big D's strong points.