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23 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

This certainly true, I think you just hit the nail in the head with a sledge Hammer.

I think you may be interested in this.

 

Um I can not swing a sledge Hammer. They are too heavy for my small frame to lift above me So I used a nail gun instead.:D

Thank you for the YT link.

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There's so many of these I don't know where to post it anymore. Another one gonna bite the dust. Trump is a fairly good bus driver.

Trump’s Jan. 6 Accomplice Jeffrey Clark Broke Attorney Ethics Rules, Legal Panel Says (yahoo.com)

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8 minutes ago, susieice said:

Doesn't sound too convincing about big D's strong points.

I think his strongest point is the fact that he is a Malignant Narcissist, that is about as close to saying anything positive about him that I can handle!:tu:

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11 minutes ago, Katniss said:

Um I can not swing a sledge Hammer. They are too heavy for my small frame to lift above me So I used a nail gun instead.:D

Thank you for the YT link.

A nail gun maybe  better especially if we are going to crucify Trump!:lol:

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2 hours ago, susieice said:

You totally avoided the question of the thread. What are Donald's positive points? You knew big D wasn't referring to Democrats or you didn't read the thread.

Oh hell , it's my fault I've been gone a year my old go to was BOM ( bad orange man ,) I used that out of camaraderie and respects to the trump worshippers who used it.

I was feeling more light heated comical and was using "big D" because his name is Donald and well he isn't small , I sure can see now in hindsight a person could I guess mistaking somehow think I meant D as in democratic party I will try to dim things down in the future.

But yeah, the threads about any pros to BOM winning and I admit I'm surprised his side is crickets and tumbleweeds.

 

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I can see some pros. 

1) Take immigration for instance- He replaced NAFTA with USMCA and now China is taking advantage of this by building large factories in Mexico (so Mexico can be labeled as country of origin and they get the free trade benefits) Why Chinese Companies Are Investing Billions in Mexico - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

More jobs and factories in Mexico means that migrants can get employment there and have no need to travel to the US, China gets to make money, and the US consumer can still get their cheap products.  A win for everyone!  (except maybe US manufacturers, but eh.)

2) Municipal bonfires-  Who doesn't like bonfires?  Under Trump we had almost weekly, if not nightly bonfires in our cities:Riots & U.S. -- Burning Cities, Looting, and Violence | National Review  

3) More TV news viewership: Cable news viewership is down since 2020 — but up in the Trump era - The Washington Post  Can't let those networks lose money!  Under Biden "Main Stream Media" is losing it's grasp on viewers!  That's bad!  Make Fox News #1again!

4) Fixing Social Security-  Trump was great at fixing Social Security.  It's old and disabled people that use Social Security.  With COVID, he managed to purge hundreds of thousands off the roll saving future generations money. 40% more than other G7 countries. Trump's Policy Failures Have Exacted a Heavy Toll on Public Health | Scientific American

5) Peace with the Taliban and Syria-  Trump managed to negotiate with the Taliban and cut a deal so we can get out of there and they can go back to doing their own thing (Executing their women for example.)  And he pulled us out of Syria so they too can focus on more important things like going back to sponsoring terrorist attacks on Israel. Taliban Have Started Torturing Women, Afghanistan Witness Says (newsweek.com) Why Syria and Israel have exchanged attacks during Israel’s war with Gaza - The Washington Post

6) Hillary goes to jail!  Just kidding, they are friends.  Trump even dropped pursuing Hillary after he won. "Lock her up!" went to complete silence for the four years he served. He even pardoned Blagojevich.  Democrats couldn't have a truer friend when it comes to getting their back for legal troubles-  Trump commutes sentence of former Ill. Gov. Rod Blagojevich, pardons ex-NYPD commissioner Bernard Kerik (nbcnews.com)

7) Generating income for youth sheltering.  Trump helped the people/companies that shelter kids by separating them from their parents thus ensuring contined business.  Close to 1,000 migrant children separated by Trump yet to be reunited with parents | Reuters  

I could go on, but this is already a wall of a post as it is.

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I only have two pro’s. Biden’s ww3 warmongering will be over. And he won’t be going to prison on BS charges. Plus we won’t have to deal with *** Blocked *** in elementary schools, or validate mentally ill people who want to mutilate and sterilize children. 
 

Our economy is still going off a cliff. Our spending will still be wildly out of control. Guys like Rand Paul who should have a real shot to lead are put on the sidelines. 

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Pros: The southern border gets fixed, illegal aliens will be pursued, America will be the best place in the world to do hi-tech business, Prevents Biden from  taking control

Cons: Trump is Anti abortion, and pro Israel. 

There are more that I'll think of later on,

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On 4/3/2024 at 11:49 PM, and-then said:

I don't believe that this election will be honored as legitimate by the loser.  It could very easily be America's last election.  The mail-in ballots with no provision for proving the ballot was legitimate, as well as the new trend of vote-counting taking days and in nearly every instance, at the end of that extended period, the apparent winner is magically overtaken and beaten, will put the final nail in our coffin.

  About the only way forward to save this country now would be to return to paper ballots, same day registration and same day voting with mandatory biometric ID.   Any votes "found" after the polls close would have to be canceled as tainted.  We all know there is a single party that would never agree to these means of verification and because of that, we are about to put paid to our little experiment in human freedom.  Imagine the surprise of those who actually believe that if their media says a thing is true, then EVERYONE MUST OBEY, when they find that roughly half the country tells them to pound sand. ;)   

Let me urge you to get training as an election clerk AND SEE HOW THE DARN ELECTIONS ARE RUN AND HOW WE VERIFY WHO GETS TO VOTE!

Please.

I see so many posts like yours from people that don't even vote.  They haven't a clue what goes on or what's done to protect the integrity of their vote, and they've forgotten the errors (and the long waits) of the voting process before we got in the computer methods.  (brief summary: it would take over a month to learn who won the presidential election and recounts took months to process.  Stuff got lost and mishandled all the time.)

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Whatever Trump's done wrong before, for some reason his support from Blacks, Hispanics, and Woman, are all heading higher.

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2 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

Whatever Trump's done wrong before, for some reason his support from Blacks, Hispanics, and Woman, are all heading higher.

Really do you have a source for that?

Because I heard that many times, however the last time I checked it was just the opposite along with the military vote.

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34 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

Really do you have a source for that?

Because I heard that many times, however the last time I checked it was just the opposite along with the military vote.

This is from about a month ago...

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/black-voter-support-for-trump-up-from-4-to-23-poll-finds/

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Black voter support for Trump up from 4% to 23%, poll finds

President Biden secured overwhelming support from Black voters in the 2020 election, but a recent New York Times/Siena College poll shows support for former President Trump among Black voters has risen 19 points in the last four years. 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/18/why-are-black-voters-backing-donald-trump-in-record-numbers

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Latest polls show 17 percent of Black voters would vote for former president today – more than twice the number in 2016.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-leads-biden-among-hispanics-registered-voters-overall-poll

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Between candidates Biden and Trump, 46% of Hispanics who responded to the poll said they would vote for Trump, while 40% said they would support Biden. That's a big difference from Biden's 2020 general election support from Hispanics. Biden won 59% of the Hispanic vote to Trump's 38% that year, according to Pew Research.

In 2016, Trump won about 39% of woman. 

Cuurrent polling has him at arguably over 40% and likely closer to 42%.

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Biden holds a slight lead over Trump in Wednesday’s 2024 presidential election poll, 50 percent to 44 percent. 

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Last month, the Quinnipiac poll found 53 percent of women supported the incumbent Democrat, compared to 41 percent for the Republican challenger.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/31/gender-poll-2024-biden-trump-00138882

So, clearly support among Blacks, Latinos, and arguably Woman, are all higher now than 2016, or 2020.

But polls arent election results, so this might not be so much predictive as just scary.

I see lots of polls on the military from 2020 regarding Trump, but dont see any actual numbers from 2023, or 2024. So I cant refute his losing military votes, but I can't confirm that either. Trump said some stupid stuff back when McCain died, but Biden's actually leading us into war, and seriously F'ed up the Afghanistan pull out.

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29 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

Thank you for the source!

29 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

So, clearly support among Blacks, Latinos, and arguably Woman, are all higher now than 2016, or 2020.

But polls arent election results, so this might not be so much predictive as just scary.

I totally agree and frankly I have never placed my faith in polls. 

29 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

I see lots of polls on the military from 2020 regarding Trump, but dont see any actual numbers from 2023, or 2024. So I cant refute his losing military votes, but I can't confirm that either. Trump said some stupid stuff back when McCain died, but Biden's actually leading us into war, and seriously F'ed up the Afghanistan pull out.

Yes, Trump did say some terrible things about a US War Hero, also the attack on the Captial negatively effected all Patriotic Americans, and since then with Trumps complicity in that being brought out for public scrutiny that also turned members of the military against him. Last but not least, ever senior military officer that had dealing with Trump during Presidency has also turned military members against Trump.

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On 4/5/2024 at 11:21 AM, Gromdor said:

I can see some pros. 

1) Take immigration for instance- He replaced NAFTA with USMCA and now China is taking advantage of this by building large factories in Mexico (so Mexico can be labeled as country of origin and they get the free trade benefits) Why Chinese Companies Are Investing Billions in Mexico - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

More jobs and factories in Mexico means that migrants can get employment there and have no need to travel to the US, China gets to make money, and the US consumer can still get their cheap products.  A win for everyone!  (except maybe US manufacturers, but eh.)

2) Municipal bonfires-  Who doesn't like bonfires?  Under Trump we had almost weekly, if not nightly bonfires in our cities:Riots & U.S. -- Burning Cities, Looting, and Violence | National Review  

3) More TV news viewership: Cable news viewership is down since 2020 — but up in the Trump era - The Washington Post  Can't let those networks lose money!  Under Biden "Main Stream Media" is losing it's grasp on viewers!  That's bad!  Make Fox News #1again!

4) Fixing Social Security-  Trump was great at fixing Social Security.  It's old and disabled people that use Social Security.  With COVID, he managed to purge hundreds of thousands off the roll saving future generations money. 40% more than other G7 countries. Trump's Policy Failures Have Exacted a Heavy Toll on Public Health | Scientific American

5) Peace with the Taliban and Syria-  Trump managed to negotiate with the Taliban and cut a deal so we can get out of there and they can go back to doing their own thing (Executing their women for example.)  And he pulled us out of Syria so they too can focus on more important things like going back to sponsoring terrorist attacks on Israel. Taliban Have Started Torturing Women, Afghanistan Witness Says (newsweek.com) Why Syria and Israel have exchanged attacks during Israel’s war with Gaza - The Washington Post

6) Hillary goes to jail!  Just kidding, they are friends.  Trump even dropped pursuing Hillary after he won. "Lock her up!" went to complete silence for the four years he served. He even pardoned Blagojevich.  Democrats couldn't have a truer friend when it comes to getting their back for legal troubles-  Trump commutes sentence of former Ill. Gov. Rod Blagojevich, pardons ex-NYPD commissioner Bernard Kerik (nbcnews.com)

7) Generating income for youth sheltering.  Trump helped the people/companies that shelter kids by separating them from their parents thus ensuring contined business.  Close to 1,000 migrant children separated by Trump yet to be reunited with parents | Reuters  

I could go on, but this is already a wall of a post as it is.

Thank you. Very informative,

I did hear/read BOM in a tropical threatening rant promise a bloodbath if he's not reelected because he says he would put huge tariffs on mex built cars being imported to the US so the manufacturer would of course have to rase prices to compensate for big Dons tariffs a win win.

And no one can argue BOMs total and complete incompetent failure with covid killing countless did ease the burden on gov agencies who otherwise would have had to write checks.

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16 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

Really do you have a source for that?

Because I heard that many times, however the last time I checked it was just the opposite along with the military vote.

There are actual facts and facts according to BOM worshippers they are very different

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15 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

Thank you for the source!

I totally agree and frankly I have never placed my faith in polls. 

Yes, Trump did say some terrible things about a US War Hero, also the attack on the Captial negatively effected all Patriotic Americans, and since then with Trumps complicity in that being brought out for public scrutiny that also turned members of the military against him. Last but not least, ever senior military officer that had dealing with Trump during Presidency has also turned military members against Trump.

Polls are an odd always by nature flawed creature a poll will show whatever it's believer desires it to not unlike a blurry picture of nothing becomes a ghost. Bigfoot. Alien etc to the true believers.

 

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35 minutes ago, the13bats said:

There are actual facts and facts according to BOM worshippers they are very different

That is certainly accurate Bats!!:D

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32 minutes ago, the13bats said:

Polls are an odd always by nature flawed creature a poll will show whatever it's believer desires it to not unlike a blurry picture of nothing becomes a ghost. Bigfoot. Alien etc to the true believers.

 

I don't trust pools personally. I think they are always flawed. Normally they contact approximately 1000 people and then they use a mathematical algorithm. When you consider that there are approximately 350+ Million Americans, I dont think even with the algorithm that they even close to accurate.

JIMHO

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On 4/4/2024 at 1:15 AM, the13bats said:

The thing is even if this country put into place everything "and then" deems necessary for a fair election if BOM lost you and he still wouldn't honor it you and he have both proven to me beyond doubt any outcome that doesn't crown big D king of Amerika will be denounced and whatever it takes to try to steal the election from the honest winner will be implicated.

Pretty much what happened last time.

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1 minute ago, Razman said:

Pretty much what happened last time.

Yes it certainly is, but if he is reelected it's going be horrible this time!!!!

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1 hour ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

I don't trust pools personally. I think they are always flawed. Normally they contact approximately 1000 people and then they use a mathematical algorithm. When you consider that there are approximately 350+ Million Americans, I dont think even with the algorithm that they even close to accurate.

JIMHO

Like i mentioned before in other threads, i get the feeling that the MAGA side of things is louder , but not quite as big as it seems. Gotta wonder if their base is growing because of what's happened with Trump , or if as time passes and they see more of Trump , that they see through him and his loud ass. Even though a lot of the GOP ended up endorsing him , i don't think he has their happy support. Polls showed all kinds of stuff in the past couple elections , but in the end , it turned out different in a lot of cases.

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16 minutes ago, Razman said:

Like i mentioned before in other threads, i get the feeling that the MAGA side of things is louder , but not quite as big as it seems. Gotta wonder if their base is growing because of what's happened with Trump , or if as time passes and they see more of Trump , that they see through him and his loud ass.

I don't think the MAGA base is growing, however that is only an opinion. I believe that since the Captial Sedition, the MAGA base began to shrink and has only continued to this day. I have been watching Trumps Rallies and it appears there are few numbers of people than in the past.

16 minutes ago, Razman said:

 

Even though a lot of the GOP ended up endorsing him , i don't think he has their happy support. Polls showed all kinds of stuff in the past couple elections , but in the end , it turned out different in a lot of cases.

I think that is a very fair assessment I totally agree you!!:tu:

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3 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

I don't trust pools personally. I think they are always flawed. Normally they contact approximately 1000 people and then they use a mathematical algorithm. When you consider that there are approximately 350+ Million Americans, I dont think even with the algorithm that they even close to accurate.

JIMHO

 

2 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

Yes it certainly is, but if he is reelected it's going be horrible this time!!!!

Horrible? Yes, for me personally? Not really but I do actually fear the fall out of his revenge on countless who he is miffed at I believe he wouldn't hold back he would go total flying monkey looney and it might end with him being kicked out of office for being insane abuse of power etc..

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2 hours ago, Razman said:

Like i mentioned before in other threads, i get the feeling that the MAGA side of things is louder , but not quite as big as it seems. Gotta wonder if their base is growing because of what's happened with Trump , or if as time passes and they see more of Trump , that they see through him and his loud ass. Even though a lot of the GOP ended up endorsing him , i don't think he has their happy support. Polls showed all kinds of stuff in the past couple elections , but in the end , it turned out different in a lot of cases.

 

2 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

I don't think the MAGA base is growing, however that is only an opinion. I believe that since the Captial Sedition, the MAGA base began to shrink and has only continued to this day. I have been watching Trumps Rallies and it appears there are few numbers of people than in the past.

Personally I think even his most lunitic fringe have shrunk because of things like his instagated fail insurrection and so many countless other ways that his devoted subjects have seen him not offer a shread past occasional lips servce to those who p***ed their lives away to go on unhinged crusades for him.

Keep in mind too he never won popular even hilly beat him on that which has gotta sting, he can't cry about many of the frauds he made up to steal the election 2016,

Now he does have those silly enough to think the POTUS has the power to triple gas prices etc the ones who are clueless to how an economy works and just want blame someone.

At this point I go 51 Joe 49 don , yep very skinny and it will flux for me.

 

 

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34 minutes ago, the13bats said:

 

Horrible? Yes, for me personally? Not really but I do actually fear the fall out of his revenge on countless who he is miffed at I believe he wouldn't hold back he would go total flying monkey looney and it might end with him being kicked out of office for being insane abuse of power etc..

I don't know I concern is close relationship with Vladimir Putin. They already suspect that he either sold or traded classified documents. I don't think he should ever be given access to classified documents again. I really believe he will sell the country out, so basically, I think he is traitor.

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