3 Body Problem: is the universe really a ‘dark forest’ full of hostile aliens in hiding?

[Zebra3]

Watch it. Just 'cause Eiza.

[MrsGently]

30 minutes ago, man with breasts said:

Civilisation is culture. Nonhuman species have no capacity or no use for it. Eusocial insect behaviour is not civilisation. 

No culture is culture. Cultural technologies are language, fire, maths, music....

Cilvilisation is when a 'tribe' of social lifeforms comes together to allow eachother more power through specialisation. Building things, others do the weening, others do the harvesting, others are scouts/military... and the species has multiple tribes to form a bigger 'web', that is civilisation.

 

 

[man with breasts]

10 minutes ago, MrsGently said:

No culture is culture. Cultural technologies are language, fire, maths, music....

Cilvilisation is when a 'tribe' of social lifeforms comes together to allow eachother more power through specialisation. Building things, others do the weening, others do the harvesting, others are scouts/military... and the species has multiple tribes to form a bigger 'web', that is civilisation.

 

 

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/civilization

Nonhuman species may have complex social behaviours but they certainly do not have 'civilisation' and why would they? They are already remarkably efficient at propagation and survival. 

Edited April 10, 2024 by man with breasts

[Duke Wellington]

On 4/6/2024 at 2:05 AM, Waspie_Dwarf said:

3 Body Problem: is the universe really a ‘dark forest’ full of hostile aliens in hiding?

 

Most people understand how the world around them works in terms of cause and effect.

But ask an engineer or physicist and they`ll tell you there are other forms of causation proven to exist in science. There is a type where an effect brings into existence its own causes in the past. It can be seen in the quantum eraser experiment.

The universe is about 14.5 billion years old (to the best of our knowledge) but that doesn`t mean the creation of the universe also occurred 14.5 billion years ago. If effects can bring into existence their causes then it is entirely possible that the universe was created a mere 6000 years ago mirroring what the Bible says.

Now, that may sound far out, but if its b******s then where are the aliens? If our civilization popped into existence and created the history needed to prop it up then that stream does not require life to exist on other planets. Hence, the universe might well be void of life on other planets. Again where are the aliens? A civilization even if it doesn`t communicate using electromagnetic radiation would be putting out a lot of it. Where is it all? We have detected none.

[Hazzard]

No type of resources are infinite (food) so competition must be part of their world as well as ours.

Im thinking whatever any possible aliens out there are like, there has to be predators.

[MrsGently]

23 minutes ago, man with breasts said:

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/civilization

Nonhuman species may have complex social behaviours but they certainly do not have 'civilisation' and why would they? They are already remarkably efficient at propagation and survival. 

I don't care about official often I'll check later. The most successful civilisation on Earth?

For every human on Earth, there's estimated to be about 2.5 million ants – or 20 quadrillion in total.

 

add: just checked: anthropocentric twaddle fit for the Victorian era

 

more modern:

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is any complex society characterized by the development of the state, social stratification, urbanization, and symbolic systems of communication beyond natural spoken language

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for reasons stated in my previous contribution to this thread:

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Cilvilisation is when a 'tribe' of social lifeforms comes together to allow eachother more power through specialisation....

numbers are power. That is why our King Elon the Musk wants to spread our power beyond Earth. To prove that culture is more successful than 'just' civilisation.

 

That is my opinion and I stand by it.

Sorry I am 'not allowed to discuss anymore'.... LOL

Edited April 10, 2024 by MrsGently
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[Cho Jinn]

On 4/10/2024 at 9:02 AM, man with breasts said:

If organisms exist on extrasolar planets they will be subject to natural selection and possibly sexual selection if gonochoric dimorphism has occurred. It is observed that sexual reproduction or genetic recombination confers fitness onto organisms in our environment so if complex life-forms exist they will be predatory and would probably supplant humanity if both species came into close proximity. Given the vast distances this is unlikely. 

As for 'civilisation', it is a specific human notion not reflected in any other species so unlikely to exist anywhere else in the universe. 

I think you are demonstrating the exception at work.  Is an interstellar, or even interplanetary, civilization going to be behaving in the way an organism would?  You can say a civilization is just an extension of a single organism, however "the civilization" is engaging i behavior that a single organism won't, and particularly when we're not talking about, for example, an organism being coming into or being introduced into an environment and helping itself to resources.

 

Planet Earth has never been visited by extraterrestrials as evidenced by the planet hasn't been strip mined, or had all of its chlorophyll and protein removed, or forfeited its primates into slavery?  Nobody is proposing that space-faring alien monster locusts exist and have visited Earth, to which the non-consumed status of our planet would be evidence to the contrary.