Westall UFO witnesses are still seeking answers more than 58 years on

[UM-Bot]

A high-profile mass UFO sighting in Australia is still no closer to being solved almost six decades later.

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/376038/westall-ufo-witnesses-are-still-seeking-answers-more-than-58-years-on

[Hazzard]

 

Basterfield said HIBAL balloons had a white silver appearance and featured a parachute and gas tube trailing from the top, which is consistent with witness descriptions of the object.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westall_UFO#Explanations

[OpenMindedSceptic]

1 HIBAL balloon was released that day. 3 objects observed simultaneously by several witnesses.

And why not show them a HIBAL balloon and ask them if that's what they saw at the time?

So we can rule HIBAL balloon out.

 

 

 

[Buzz_Light_Year]

Balloon at sunset.

If a person didn't know what it was it would be described as a UFO by most. 

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

If there was a HIBAL balloon involved, why, oh why, would a man in a dark suit (a fed) show up and tell everyone not to talk about what they saw??
Whaaa, the students can't talk about "a" balloon...? Please, what bunk. And why is there a fed there investigating, *anyway*?? 

Then we have this ---> "An investigation of the field afterwards revealed the presence of several large circles of flattened grass."
So now we have *a* balloon making LARGE impressions in the grass...? And feds came in to take samples of dirt that a BALLOON landed on and made depressions?  

And the best for last, the children to this day stick to their story.

Sorry, this was some kind of multi-UFO event.

 

 

Edited April 8 by Earl.Of.Trumps
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[Trelane]

One item we scratch off the list is extraterrestrial craft.

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

7 hours ago, Hazzard said:

 

Basterfield said HIBAL balloons had a white silver appearance and featured a parachute and gas tube trailing from the top, which is consistent with witness descriptions of the object.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westall_UFO#Explanations

Tell me, Hazzard, 

You cherry-pick one element of evidence that could explain the sighting *at that level*, while not even considering so many other clues, and then, you call it "job done". Really...?

You are not a very good investigator, Hazzard, are you? 

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

I like this:

 

Bill Chalker’s ‘forensic’ drawing of witness Victor Zakry’s recollection of events during the encounter, based on onsite reconstruction in 2008. 
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So much for *a* balloon

[OpenMindedSceptic]

I feel this thread highlights how a small number of regular posters jump to anything to debunk ufo and particularly alien ufo.

Then when you highlight their go to explanations of balloons, swamp gas, mass hysteria, clouds, Jupiter et al, you get pounced on with a, what do you think it is then? So they can try to debunk you. All the time they seem to have forgetten they are on an Unexplained Mysteries website.

It's an odd pattern of behaviour, feels orchestrated and smacks of government involvement, but that'd be too far fetched for a lil old website, eh?

[Hankenhunter]

36 minutes ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

I feel this thread highlights how a small number of regular posters jump to anything to debunk ufo and particularly alien ufo.

Then when you highlight their go to explanations of balloons, swamp gas, mass hysteria, clouds, Jupiter et al, you get pounced on with a, what do you think it is then? So they can try to debunk you. All the time they seem to have forgetten they are on an Unexplained Mysteries website.

It's an odd pattern of behaviour, feels orchestrated and smacks of government involvement, but that'd be too far fetched for a lil old website, eh?

Yeh, I'm open to the idea that some posters are being paid to do everything in their power to cover up sightings. What better place to do this than UM?

[Grim Reaper 6]

1 minute ago, Hankenhunter said:

Yeh, I'm open to the idea that some posters are being paid to do everything in their power to cover up sightings. What better place to do this than UM?

You don't really believe that do you??

[+joc]

2 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

You don't really believe that do you??

Don't tell anyone but I am a well payed operative of the AAUFO.  Authority Against UFO.  

[Hankenhunter]

Just now, Grim Reaper 6 said:

You don't really believe that do you??

Yep, I do believe it's possible. Go back in the archives, and see how many people reporting sightings have been driven off by the same people doing it today. Like I said before, what better place to plant 3 or four people to dissuade others that UFO's don't exist than UM? I'm not the only one who thinks it's possible. It keeps popping up in the archives.

[Hankenhunter]

7 minutes ago, joc said:

Don't tell anyone but I am a well payed operative of the AAUFO.  Authority Against UFO.  

Naw, your posts indicate that you aren't one of them for obvious reasons.

[Grim Reaper 6]

2 minutes ago, joc said:

Don't tell anyone but I am a well payed operative of the AAUFO.  Authority Against UFO.  

No problem if you keep my secret also, I am actually a Grey Allien who was stranded on earth during the Roswell Crash!!!!!!!!

[psyche101]

6 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

You don't really believe that do you??

If you come up the same conclusions as OMS and EOT

Big red flag. Right there. 

Notably, Keith Basterfield, who is copping a beating from UFO proponents don't seem to know he's a UFO proponent. He reckons some are genuine some not. 

There were no people in dark suits. No crafts landed. 

https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4208

[Hankenhunter]

4 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

If you come up the same conclusions as OMS and EOT

Big red flag. Right there. 

Notably, Keith Basterfield, who is copping a beating from UFO proponents don't seem to know he's a UFO proponent. He reckons some are genuine some not. 

There were no people in dark suits. No crafts landed. 

https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4208

No, my observations are based on archive history. You can red flag me all you like. Means nothing to me.

[OpenMindedSceptic]

Westall, Broad Haven, Ruwa... all mass sightings from school children who have the same story years later  when they could so easily just say, ah it was kids mucking about. But no, the stories endure. 

[Grim Reaper 6]

12 minutes ago, Hankenhunter said:

Yep, I do believe it's possible. Go back in the archives, and see how many people reporting sightings have been driven off by the same people doing it today. Like I said before, what better place to plant 3 or four people to dissuade others that UFO's don't exist than UM? I'm not the only one who thinks it's possible. It keeps popping up in the archives.

Hank I am on the fence when it comes to Allien encounters. I don't believe that Aliens have ever visited earth. However, I think it's hypothetically possible that some of the UAPs are actually unmanned alien probes. But I can't even prove that, thus I am on the fence.

[Hankenhunter]

2 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

I like this:

 

Bill Chalker’s ‘forensic’ drawing of witness Victor Zakry’s recollection of events during the encounter, based on onsite reconstruction in 2008. 
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So much for *a* balloon

But, but they're probably a black ops project testing out their latest, and greatest on school children 60 years ago. (s)

Edited April 8 by Hankenhunter

[Hankenhunter]

I've put out the honey pot. Let's see how many flies it attracts.

[psyche101]

18 minutes ago, Hankenhunter said:

No, my observations are based on archive history. You can red flag me all you like. Means nothing to me.

No, you're not a nutcase.

The other two aforementioned however .......

I wouldn't take their advice on any other subjects. That I would find a concern. Each to their own, but I find them to be way off base in everything they comment on. I just don't see why that would change here. No offence intended especially to your good self. I just see dodgy posters as dodgy posters.

[psyche101]

24 minutes ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

Westall, Broad Haven, Ruwa... all mass sightings from school children who have the same story years later  when they could so easily just say, ah it was kids mucking about. But no, the stories endure. 

Because people like you keep telling them! 

No other reason. Not one of them have provided compelling evidence. Just more stories with plenty of debatable components.

[Hankenhunter]

1 minute ago, psyche101 said:

No, you're not a nutcase.

The other two aforementioned however .......

I wouldn't take their advice on any other subjects. That I would find a concern. Each to their own, but I find them to be way off base in everything they comment on. I just don't see why that would change here. No offence intended especially to your good self. I just see dodgy posters as dodgy posters.

That's why I took a deep dive into the archives. I wanted to see for myself. It was very illuminating.

[psyche101]

29 minutes ago, Hankenhunter said:

No, my observations are based on archive history. You can red flag me all you like. Means nothing to me.

With Westfall that archives refute the claims stated above though. Nobody was told to keep quiet and we know that from local interviews if the time preserved in newspapers. We know for a fact that the craft didn't land, but Earl is insinuating they did. 

There are plenty newspaper clippings as such:

 

 

With interviews from teachers students and bystanders. So it certainly wasn't hushed up. It was talk of the town.