Westall UFO witnesses are still seeking answers more than 58 years on

[Hankenhunter]

1 minute ago, psyche101 said:

With Westfall that archives refute the claims stated above though. Nobody was told to keep quiet and we know that from local interviews if the time preserved in newspapers. We know for a fact that the craft didn't land, but Earl is insinuating they did. 

There are plenty newspaper clippings as such:

 

 

With interviews from teachers students and bystanders. So it certainly wasn't hushed up. It was talk of the town. 

There were plenty of clippings about Roswell as well. 

[psyche101]

54 minutes ago, Hankenhunter said:

There were plenty of clippings about Roswell as well. 

There certainly was.

Strongest lead would be Edgar Mitchell. He is strongly of the opinion that something happened but openly admits everything he knows is second hand. 

I'd say that is why he cops less criticism? 

Everyone can have an opinion. When people are honest and open like  Edgar, and less like the wild posters I mentioned, the discussions get less heated which is IMHO an overall benefit. Things have a better chance of resolution. Or at least coexistence.

[OpenMindedSceptic]

3 hours ago, psyche101 said:

Because people like you keep telling them! 

No other reason. Not one of them have provided compelling evidence. Just more stories with plenty of debatable components.

I haven't met any of them yet.

So your belief is a bunch of school kids made a story up and decades later they are sticking to the story because of people like me?

Do you know how crazy you sound right now? 

[+joc]

9 hours ago, Hankenhunter said:

Yep, I do believe it's possible. Go back in the archives, and see how many people reporting sightings have been driven off by the same people doing it today. Like I said before, what better place to plant 3 or four people to dissuade others that UFO's don't exist than UM? I'm not the only one who thinks it's possible. It keeps popping up in the archives.

Actually, for one to go back in the archives and search for such might indicate a problem with OCD when it comes to UFOs.

Like I said before, what better place to plant 3 or four people to dissuade others that UFO's don't exist than UM?  This would seem to indicate a problem with paranoia. I would recommend not posting about UFOs anymore.  Also a visit to your local shrink might be in order.

[Trelane]

18 hours ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

I feel this thread highlights how a small number of regular posters jump to anything to debunk ufo and particularly alien ufo.

Then when you highlight their go to explanations of balloons, swamp gas, mass hysteria, clouds, Jupiter et al, you get pounced on with a, what do you think it is then? So they can try to debunk you. All the time they seem to have forgetten they are on an Unexplained Mysteries website.

It's an odd pattern of behaviour, feels orchestrated and smacks of government involvement, but that'd be too far fetched for a lil old website, eh?

If you or anyone can provide one snippet of anything that scientifically shows there is life existing off of this planet I'll listen. Not one scrap of data from any mission or space agency shows this. 

The foolishness of people taking these theoretical statements and posturing them as set in stone facts is maddening. The space observation missions of the last 20+ years has provided  a lot of crucial information. Notably that yes there are exo- planets. No, they show no evidence of any advanced civilization. This has been highlighted by the ongoing Kepler mission observations that show how rare we are a s planet. It's not just the planet 's distance from the parent star it also has other factors to consider. notably the luminosity and life cycle of that star that will dictate the probability of life evolving, including intelligent life. The emergence of intelligent life here on Earth has occurred what would be described as "late" in the sun's life cycle in regards to the totality of Earth's existence.

The psycho analysis of those who just have the need to believe anything unexplainable i an ET craft is the modern version of religious fervor to believe in angels and the like. Time to grow up kids, the notion of higher being s coming to save us is for the churches and movie theaters. 

[Trelane]

13 hours ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

I haven't met any of them yet.

So your belief is a bunch of school kids made a story up and decades later they are sticking to the story because of people like me?

Do you know how crazy you sound right now? 

My belief is they observed something they had no knowledge of and were completely unfamiliar with.

Because of this, those with the need use the alien explanation as their desire compels them as this is their only reasonable course of action. Anything else is categorically dismissed or or as you do, ridiculed. Ironic when compared to the comments of 50 years ago.🧐

[Hankenhunter]

10 hours ago, joc said:

Actually, for one to go back in the archives and search for such might indicate a problem with OCD when it comes to UFOs.

Like I said before, what better place to plant 3 or four people to dissuade others that UFO's don't exist than UM?  This would seem to indicate a problem with paranoia. I would recommend not posting about UFOs anymore.  Also a visit to your local shrink might be in order.

So research is now OCD? Grow up. Your immaturity is showing. Typical of a denialist. Attack the poster instead of refuting. I recommend you put me on ignore if you can't reply without insults. If not, go seek help for your aggression problem.

Edited April 8 by Hankenhunter

[Trelane]

44 minutes ago, Hankenhunter said:

So research is now OCD? Grow up. Your immaturity is showing. Typical of a denialist. Attack the poster instead of refuting. I recommend you put me on ignore if you can't reply without insults. If not, go seek help for your aggression problem.

And yet, that is precisely what you're doing. Oh the irony...🧐

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

21 hours ago, psyche101 said:

If you come up the same conclusions as OMS and EOT

Big red flag. Right there. 

Notably, Keith Basterfield, who is copping a beating from UFO proponents don't seem to know he's a UFO proponent. He reckons some are genuine some not. 

There were no people in dark suits. No crafts landed. 

https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4208

And here is a poster that is famous for throwing the old bullpuppies around. 

And how shameful of me to think that once a HIBAL balloon  lands, it ain't ever going back up!! You're crazy, too, if you come to that conclusion. Where could that ever come from?

sheeeesh

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

21 hours ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

Westall, Broad Haven, Ruwa... all mass sightings from school children who have the same story years later  when they could so easily just say, ah it was kids mucking about. But no, the stories endure. 

Rule #1 for the 'true sceptics'... They always know better than the eyewitnesses. Hundreds of students and teachers means absolutely nothing to the 'true sceptics'.

But we love them dearly 

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

21 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

Hank I am on the fence when it comes to Allien encounters. I don't believe that Aliens have ever visited earth. However, I think it's hypothetically possible that some of the UAPs are actually unmanned alien probes. But I can't even prove that, thus I am on the fence.

That's absolutely fine, GR. What *is* provable in more cases than not is that the government lies about the incident. Like this case here, so easy to show they are lying.

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

21 hours ago, psyche101 said:

We know for a fact that the craft didn't land, but Earl is insinuating they did. 

I see.

So the several large, round depressions in the grass came from, where?? 

[psyche101]

17 hours ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

I haven't met any of them yet.

So your belief is a bunch of school kids made a story up and decades later they are sticking to the story because of people like me?

Do you know how crazy you sound right now? 

I don't think it's me that sounds crazy 

Yes, entirely because of people like you. Otherwise it would simply be forgotten. You want it to be something special so you keep pretending it is.

This all comes back to a personal gripe though doesn't it. 

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

17 hours ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

I haven't met any of them yet.

So your belief is a bunch of school kids made a story up and decades later they are sticking to the story because of people like me?

Do you know how crazy you sound right now? 

lol, this is classic, but the truth is, he does not know.

He criticizes Edgar for telling only 2nd hand stories, but what's his excuse when 200+ students and teachers speak with firsthand knowledge?

hint: he goes by what message they deliver. If it's anti-UFO or pro balloon, he'll tell you that's proof, right there! But if they insist on having seen UFO's...

Well, you know the routine. so obvious

[psyche101]

35 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

And here is a poster that is famous for throwing the old bullpuppies around. 

If you call yourself a bull puppy sure. 

Because you're an angry person who is very loose with facts, you do more harm to the subject than credibility. People like you and OMS are why the field has a bad name. 

35 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

And how shameful of me to think that once a HIBAL balloon  lands, it ain't ever going back up!! You're crazy, too, if you come to that conclusion. Where could that ever come from?

sheeeesh

This is what I'm talking about.

Like phoenix there was two seperate events. You aren't even aware of that much but are insisting unsupported anecdotes are factual. 

Again you're way behind when you think you're ahead. I don't know of any subjects where I would consider you knowledgeable. This subject is just an extension of the usual. 

[psyche101]

5 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

lol, this is classic, but the truth is, he does not know.

He criticizes Edgar for telling only 2nd hand stories, but what's his excuse when 200+ students and teachers speak with firsthand knowledge?

hint: he goes by what message they deliver. If it's anti-UFO or pro balloon, he'll tell you that's proof, right there! But if they insist on having seen UFO's...

Well, you know the routine. so obvious

So is your agenda earl

You think ever light in the sky is a potential alien spaceship. Any vague humanoid shape a potential alien. 

You're a joke and a negative influence on ufology. People get ridiculed because people like you set it up by being credulous and unreasonable.

You are an enemy of reason.

[psyche101]

25 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

I see.

So the several large, round depressions in the grass came from, where?? 

Your personal predetermined conclusion.

Edited April 9 by psyche101

[+joc]

3 hours ago, Hankenhunter said:

So research is now OCD? Grow up. Your immaturity is showing. Typical of a denialist. Attack the poster instead of refuting. I recommend you put me on ignore if you can't reply without insults. If not, go seek help for your aggression problem.

That was a joke sir! Sorry you don't have a sense of humor. 🫤

[Hazzard]

On 4/8/2024 at 2:38 AM, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Tell me, Hazzard, 

You cherry-pick one element of evidence that could explain the sighting *at that level*, while not even considering so many other clues, and then, you call it "job done". Really...?

You are not a very good investigator, Hazzard, are you? 

Job done??... We have just started with this one!

And just because I dont jump on the AliEnZ bandwagon at first chance (like some people) doesnt make me a bad "investigator".

[csspwns]

Maybe it'll appear again in 58 more years. 

[Hazzard]

1 minute ago, csspwns said:

Maybe it'll appear again in 58 more years. 

"I dont know where ill be then, but I wont smell to good".

[the13bats]

On 4/7/2024 at 10:05 PM, OpenMindedSceptic said:

I feel this thread highlights how a small number of regular posters jump to anything to debunk ufo and particularly alien ufo.

Then when you highlight their go to explanations of balloons, swamp gas, mass hysteria, clouds, Jupiter et al, you get pounced on with a, what do you think it is then? So they can try to debunk you. All the time they seem to have forgetten they are on an Unexplained Mysteries website.

It's an odd pattern of behaviour, feels orchestrated and smacks of government involvement, but that'd be too far fetched for a lil old website, eh?

 

On 4/7/2024 at 10:45 PM, Hankenhunter said:

Yeh, I'm open to the idea that some posters are being paid to do everything in their power to cover up sightings. What better place to do this than UM?

If I can sign up to get paid for what I babble on here please show me where.

I can fully understand why die had true believers might grasp that some bored nobody on a forum is a paid disinformation agent but it doesn't wash because of the zillion stories not once has any case been proven alien they have been proven explanations of balloons, swamp gas, mass hysteria, clouds, Jupiter etc,

The fact is you true believes jump to believe it's your strength no paychecks needed

[Essan]

2 hours ago, csspwns said:

Maybe it'll appear again in 58 more years. 

Only in front of people who don't have a camera or the ability to take decent pictures with one        They are crafty like that!

[the13bats]

On 4/7/2024 at 11:14 PM, Grim Reaper 6 said:

Hank I am on the fence when it comes to Allien encounters. I don't believe that Aliens have ever visited earth. However, I think it's hypothetically possible that some of the UAPs are actually unmanned alien probes. But I can't even prove that, thus I am on the fence.

Interesting,

While I wax about if aliens are out there and if they have any higher technology they still would have the hurdles we would of going out to visit other planets.

Probes are another story, maybe, hum, we have sent out probes and it would take a lifeform of some intellect to be able to try to figure out the message if they even had the desire but a probe would be a message in a bottle in the most vast sea ever seems the chance of a probe reaching another lifeform that wanted to and could decipher it are pretty slim,

[Grim Reaper 6]

10 minutes ago, the13bats said:

Interesting,

While I wax about if aliens are out there and if they have any higher technology they still would have the hurdles we would of going out to visit other planets.

Maybe they don't have the technology to travel over vast distances in space.

10 minutes ago, the13bats said:

Probes are another story, maybe, hum, we have sent out probes and it would take a lifeform of some intellect to be able to try to figure out the message if they even had the desire but a probe would be a message in a bottle in the most vast sea ever seems the chance of a probe reaching another lifeform that wanted to and could decipher it are pretty slim,

We have the technology to send probes out of our Solar system Voyage 1 & 2. Those probes took off in the 1970s and we are still communicating with them today. I don't know if our probes will ever reach a distant world with life, I kind of doubt it. But as our technology improves, we are going to send more advanced probes and it's very possible a more advanced species is doing the same thing.

Like I said, I am on the fence and only time will prove me right or wrong!