Westall UFO witnesses are still seeking answers more than 58 years on

[ChrLzs]

Let me fix that for you, Earl:

"Here is what someone DREW about what some children SAID they saw"

You really think a child drew that?  Plus, we don't have transcripts or actual recordings or even accurate numbers of who made matching claims for which sightings. 

So, now that we've corrected the misinformation and added what Earl conveniently removed...  Earl's conclusion, therefore, is worth about what we just paid for reading it..

Edited April 13 by Saru
Adjusted quote source to avoid confusion

[Golden Duck]

2 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Here is what children saw: 

 

 

 

Here's what big gov says:   

 

 

The prosecution rests, with the government alibi debunked and destroyed. 

 

 

 

Here's what the children saw.

(This was posted earlier by @psyche101)

Dandenong Journal, April 21 1966, p 1. Includes a drawing of the craft by a student at Westall High School.

https://blogs.slv.vic.gov.au/our-stories/strange-lights-in-the-sky-the-westall-ufo-event-1966/

I'm sure the reputable source will be greatly appreciated.

Edited April 12 by Golden Duck

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

On 4/11/2024 at 9:06 PM, psyche101 said:

No.

The object was in view for up to 20 minutes, and many saw it descend. Most agree it landed behind pine trees at the Grange Reserve. Dozens of students ran across what was then an open paddock to the reserve to investigate, but the object had lifted off and vanished.

 

Go and find two hundred accounts that refute the claims. 

There are no accounts that describe the illustration you have posted .

Nothing is debunked. You don't even have the first part of the story right as shown above and you don't acknowledge two events. 

You lose. You are making it up as you go along. 

Dispense with the "two events" lecture, please, and answer the question:

What descended from the sky and where did it go?

[Golden Duck]

53 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Duck, please do not answer my question with a question of your own,

Stop making this personal.

You posted a picture from YouTube, not from a genuine publication. Then followed up with a rhetorical question having us believe students saw humanoids emerging from flying saucers.  But, I've already said, to you, what was witnessed was a spheroid.  So, please stop trying to say I didn't give you an answer.

Anyway, I'm sure the rest of the audience appreciates the genuine copies of reports from the archives.

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[Earl.Of.Trumps]

12 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

Stop making this personal.

You posted a picture from YouTube, not from a genuine publication. Then followed up with a rhetorical question having us believe students saw humanoids emerging from flying saucers.  But, I've already said, to you, what was witnessed was a spheroid.  So, please stop trying to say I didn't give you an answer.

Anyway, I'm sure the rest of the audience appreciates the genuine copies of reports from the archives.

1. it was not from utube, it was from a link I got from a standard search on Bing. 
2. the drawing did NOT show aliens, it showed school kids standing around the UFO's

Saying it was a spheroid is like saying it was a round. that's a shape. I don't have to know the shape, but I would like to know what the object was.

What was the object that descended from the skies, and where did it go?  (let's not lose focus)

[Golden Duck]

23 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

1. it was not from utube, it was from a link I got from a standard search on Bing. 
2. the drawing did NOT show aliens, it showed school kids standing around the UFO's

Saying it was a spheroid is like saying it was a round. that's a shape. I don't have to know the shape, but I would like to know what the object was.

What was the object that descended from the skies, and where did it go?  (let's not lose focus)

The image is from

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6FOE97f3PtE/maxresdefault.jpg

ytimg.com is owned by Google and host YouTube thumbnails.

If it was anything related to Maralinga that explains the cover-up.

You've been told multiple times now.  Please explain how exactly you are relying on hundreds of witnesses as requested many times now.

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[Earl.Of.Trumps]

5 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

The image is from

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6FOE97f3PtE/maxresdefault.jpg

ytimg.com is owned by Google and host YouTube thumbnails.

who gives a hoot. I got it by using Bing and your point is useless.

 

5 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

If it was anything related to Maralinga that explains the cover-up.

You've been told multiple times now.  Please explain how exactly you are relying on hundreds of witnesses as requested many times now.

GD, please stop answering my question with ones of your own.

What descended from the sky that day at Westall, and what happened to it? 

 

PS: Y'all seeing first hand how a true sceptic avoids trouble. Enjoy

[Dejarma]

4 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

PS: Y'all seeing first hand how a true sceptic avoids trouble. Enjoy

you've gone back to being a bleeever again!? you're confused- or you're just mad!?

[Golden Duck]

19 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

who gives a hoot. I got it by using Bing and your point is useless.

 

GD, please stop answering my question with ones of your own.

What descended from the sky that day at Westall, and what happened to it? 

 

PS: Y'all seeing first hand how a true sceptic avoids trouble. Enjoy

Your question was asked in response to me asking you to provide details of 200 witness statements on which you claim to rely.  You said you can't do that, but you haven't retracted your claim that you rely in witness testimony.

I've told you multiple times that witnesses described.  If you ask was it a Hibal it is certainly plausible.  And the developments in Australian politics after Menzies.

It's clear that audience sees that it is indeed you avoiding backing up your claims.

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

2 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

Your question was asked in response to me asking you to provide details of 200 witness statements on which you claim to rely.  You said you can't do that, but you haven't retracted your claim that you rely in witness testimony.

I've told you multiple times that witnesses described.  If you ask was it a Hibal it is certainly plausible.  And the developments in Australian politics after Menzies.

It's clear that audience sees that it is indeed you avoiding backing up your claims.

I'm relying on the fact that I caught the government lying. Stop stalling GD.

Once again,,, What object fell from the sky that  day at Westall and where did it go??

[Golden Duck]

33 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

I'm relying on the fact that I caught the government lying. Stop stalling GD.

Once again,,, What object fell from the sky that  day at Westall and where did it go??

Cool.  Lying about Maralinga?  But, that wasn't you that caught the Government lying.  If anyone it was the McClelland Royal Commission, not you.  You should not take credit for the work of others.

You've made a plausible argument for that Hibal Balloon.

[psyche101]

2 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Dispense with the "two events" lecture, please, and answer the question:

Are you denying two events Mr I listen to witnesses?

You're wrong and refuse to admit it 

Where's the two hundred accounts verifying the illustration? Can you back that claim you made? 

2 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

What descended from the sky and where did it go?

Earth 

Did anyone in the planet record and objects that day entering or leaving the atmosphere? Even one across the entire globe? Heard of honeysuckle creek? Parkes station? We have the capability to capture such but didn't. 

What illustrates that the alleged object actually has a connection to space? What's the connection?

[Dejarma]

50 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

I'm relying on the fact that I caught the government lying

YOU caught the government out did ya?--it's a fact is it? oh ok then .. please carry on

[psyche101]

1 hour ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

PS: Y'all seeing first hand how a true sceptic avoids trouble. Enjoy

Don't you mean blind believer aka you?

Where's the evidence to support your illustration?

[psyche101]

1 hour ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Saying it was a spheroid is like saying it was a round. that's a shape. I don't have to know the shape, but I would like to know what the object was.

The witnesses offer a variety of recollections to choose from. 

You chose an illustration that is inspired by the claim, not representing the claim and said it was an accurate representation of the event.

You started that avenue of enquiry first. Finish it and show us where we can find two hundred accounts verifying the illustration.

As you like to say, here we are folks. A prime example of why avid blind believers who have more of an interest in fighting people taking a rational approach are a menace to the subject. You made claims that are not true and are just focusing on changing goal posts. We can all see your vivid dishonesty plainly on display and your contempt of honest discussion. Try again earl. 

[Dejarma]

4 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

The witnesses offer a variety of recollections to choose from. 

You chose an illustration that is inspired by the claim, not representing the claim and said it was an accurate representation of the event.

You started that avenue of enquiry first. Finish it and show us where we can find two hundred accounts verifying the illustration.

As you like to say, here we are folks. A prime example of why avid blind believers who have more of an interest in fighting people taking a rational approach are a menace to the subject. You made claims that are not true and are just focusing on changing goal posts. We can all see your vivid dishonesty plainly on display and your contempt of honest discussion. Try again earl. 

yep, good words, psyche...

sorry, i should say: 'IN_MY_OPINION that is 😉

[psyche101]

4 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

yep, good words, psyche...

sorry, i should say: 'IN_MY_OPINION that is 😉

LoL mine too

It's just earl. He likes conflict. More than the subjects. IN MY OPINION 😁

[Saru]

Thread cleaned

Don't make things personal please folks, let's keep this discussion and civil and respectful.

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

22 hours ago, Golden Duck said:

Cool.  Lying about Maralinga?  But, that wasn't you that caught the Government lying.  If anyone it was the McClelland Royal Commission, not you.  You should not take credit for the work of others.

You've made a plausible argument for that Hibal Balloon.

No, it's actually IMpossible. 

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

22 hours ago, psyche101 said:

Are you denying two events Mr I listen to witnesses?

You're wrong and refuse to admit it 

Strawman stall tactic. I never said there was not, and no, I will NOT debate this 

 

22 hours ago, psyche101 said:

Where's the two hundred accounts verifying the illustration? Can you back that claim you made? 

Earth 

Did anyone in the planet record and objects that day entering or leaving the atmosphere? Even one across the entire globe? Heard of honeysuckle creek? Parkes station? We have the capability to capture such but didn't. 

What illustrates that the alleged object actually has a connection to space? What's the connection?

Look at him as he flails away trying to get out of it by taking me off track. 

If refuse to answer the question, then don't address me anymore.  

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

22 hours ago, psyche101 said:

Don't you mean blind believer aka you?

Where's the evidence to support your illustration?

stall tactic

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

22 hours ago, psyche101 said:

The witnesses offer a variety of recollections to choose from. 

You chose an illustration that is inspired by the claim, not representing the claim and said it was an accurate representation of the event.

You started that avenue of enquiry first. Finish it and show us where we can find two hundred accounts verifying the illustration.

As you like to say, here we are folks. A prime example of why avid blind believers who have more of an interest in fighting people taking a rational approach are a menace to the subject. You made claims that are not true and are just focusing on changing goal posts. We can all see your vivid dishonesty plainly on display and your contempt of honest discussion. Try again earl. 

and look at all the lokes the true sceptic gets for avoiding the question at hand by asking other questions.

nice try. 

[ChrLzs]

3 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Look at him as he flails away trying to get out of it by taking me off track.

Off Track?  How is it off track?

3 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

If refuse to answer the question, then don't address me anymore.  

Is that a rule?  .. so if you make a claim twice it can then never be questioned?     Problem is you are on a public forum.  You made a claim, here's you on page 2..:

Quote

but what's his excuse when 200+ students and teachers speak with firsthand knowledge?

.. and you cannot support it.  That's because .. it isn't true.  Widely reported, but not true.  Carefully read the initial reports.

So, can you back up your claim of over 200 witnesses?  Where is this actually documented?

Also, while we're all in the mood to make requests.. can you stop with the ridiculous multiple postings?  Are you incapable of replying to a single person with a single post?  Believe it or Not, Ripley, it's possible to cover more than one issue at a time - who would have thought.  And posts like your #96 are just a silly waste of time.

[csspwns]

1 hour ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

and look at all the lokes the true sceptic gets for avoiding the question at hand by asking other questions.

nice try. 

If you're so sure that what you believe happened, then you should have no issue answering those highly valid questions, or provide good reasons why you can't answer them. This is how we learn things. 

[Golden Duck]

2 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

No, it's actually IMpossible. 

The McClelland  Royal Commission actually happened.  Maralinga actually happened.  And the Hibal Program actually happened.

Can you explain how something that actually happened is impossible. 

Quote

The project may technically have been classified top secret, but plenty of people knew about it — in fact, people used to come and watch the huge balloons being launched.

But it was the data captured high above the ground that was definitely off limits.

A race to reach the balloons as they crashed to earth
Launching the massive balloons was the easy part. Retrieving the payload wasn't always so simple.

The people working on the project had to track the balloons as best they could from an aircraft and give directions to a crew on the ground, who had to collect the payload from where it crashed to earth.

"Often the recovery crew were trying to get there, maybe the payload was being dragged by its parachute faster than they could drive out," Steven Thorn said.

"There was a lot of power and batteries on board so it could start fires if the batteries shifted around in the payload." 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-09/hibal-australia-cold-war-history-us-secret-balloon-victoria/102057980