Judge went 'off the deep end' by letting violent Neo-Nazi off easy

[DarkHunter]

5 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

This might shock you, but there are no riots happening now or during this presidency.  I would call that "winning".  Some of the people who rioted under the last presidency have been prosecuted and jailed under this administration.  I also call that "winning".

"Surrendering" to you means coming to terms that the previous guy was unable to handle the riots and only caused more "ignition points".  I hate to say it, but in life, you have to know when you have a bad hand and need to fold.

So the far left got their candidate in that they wanted, maybe not first choice but a person they found acceptable, and the riots stopped, that isn't exactly a shock or unexpected.  

Still your argument is if you give the violent left what they want they stop rioting and don't do anything to antagonize them, that is appeasement and surrendering no matter how you try to spin it.

[Hankenhunter]

21 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

What exactly was objectively wrong.  I said the Minneapolis riot was the second most destructive riot and that the entirety of the Flyod riots/Summer of love caused around $2 billion dollars in damage.  

It seems you didn't actually read what I typed but were most interested in just trying to prove me wrong.

a·gent pro·vo·ca·teur

noun

1. a person who induces others to be violent or commit an illegal act in order to incriminate them or discredit a cause.

   "you people will start fighting amongst yourselves, not realizing that some agent provocateur is behind this"

[DarkHunter]

5 minutes ago, Hankenhunter said:

Been taking lessons from P.A?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/man-helped-ignite-george-floyd-riots-identified-white/story%3Fid%3D72051536&ved=2ahUKEwiyluXTkLSFAxViHTQIHTuwBGQQFnoECBkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3UvinbbIgjwaGjAx-af6Tc

The Right's fingerprints are all over these riots. But that doesn't fit in with your narrative, does it?

Are you really going to try and argue it was actually the right who was responsible for the 2020 summer of love riots

[DarkHunter]

1 minute ago, Hankenhunter said:

a·gent pro·vo·ca·teur

 

noun

1. a person who induces others to be violent or commit an illegal act in order to incriminate them or discredit a cause.

   "you people will start fighting amongst yourselves, not realizing that some agent provocateur is behind this"

If you want to push stupid conspiracy theories you can but I'm not going to play along with you

[Hankenhunter]

Just now, DarkHunter said:

Are you really going to try and argue it was actually the right who was responsible for the 2020 summer of love riots

Read. The. Article. 

[Hankenhunter]

1 minute ago, DarkHunter said:

If you want to push stupid conspiracy theories you can but I'm not going to play along with you

Lol, Read. The. Article.

[Gromdor]

3 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

So the far left got their candidate in that they wanted, maybe not first choice but a person they found acceptable, and the riots stopped, that isn't exactly a shock or unexpected.  

Still your argument is if you give the violent left what they want they stop rioting and don't do anything to antagonize them, that is appeasement and surrendering no matter how you try to spin it.

Actually, I think you are the one surrendering.  The problem is riots. One person stops it the other didn't.  You want to select the one that didn't because you believe he is better in other matters- so you are surrendering the riot issue as a sacrifice towards those other issues.

[DarkHunter]

Just now, Gromdor said:

Actually, I think you are the one surrendering.  The problem is riots. One person stops it the other didn't.  You want to select the one that didn't because you believe he is better in other matters- so you are surrendering the riot issue as a sacrifice towards those other issues.

Now trying to spin it around like that.  Now you are now resorting to another logical fallacy, just cause the riots stopped under Biden does not mean Biden stopped the riots.  It's rather obvious the riots stopped caused the violent left got what they wanted and not cause Biden stopped them himself.

I'm just not a fan of giving into the demands of the most violent group out of fear they will use violence again, historically appeasement doesn't work or end well.

[Occupational Hubris]

19 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

What was the second most destructive individual riot then in America, just claiming it's not the second most destructive riot isn't exactly strong evidence

Oh, and just claiming it to be so is strong evidence?

Alchopwn listed several more destructive riots above.

 

[Gromdor]

10 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

Now trying to spin it around like that.  Now you are now resorting to another logical fallacy, just cause the riots stopped under Biden does not mean Biden stopped the riots.  It's rather obvious the riots stopped caused the violent left got what they wanted and not cause Biden stopped them himself.

I'm just not a fan of giving into the demands of the most violent group out of fear they will use violence again, historically appeasement doesn't work or end well.

They are past tense and have already won.  They beat Trump and his administration.  What you are wanting is a double or nothing rematch with the future rioters he will make if he wins the next time around.  But you want to use the same losing tactics.  My idea is to not create those future rioters.

Creating an enemy just so you can try to win using the same tactics that made you lose before is just plain silly.

Edited April 9 by Gromdor

[Alchopwn]

35 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

I almost forgot about CHAZ, where antifa took over six blocks in Seattle and essentially attempted secession as they declared themselves an autonomous zone.

There was just armed people peacefully demanding donations from the people/businesses stuck in CHAZ.  

Oh no.  That sounds awful.   How many people died? 

[+Link of Hyrule]

30 minutes ago, Hankenhunter said:

Been taking lessons from P.A?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/man-helped-ignite-george-floyd-riots-identified-white/story%3Fid%3D72051536&ved=2ahUKEwiyluXTkLSFAxViHTQIHTuwBGQQFnoECBkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3UvinbbIgjwaGjAx-af6Tc

The Right's fingerprints are all over these riots. But that doesn't fit in with your narrative, does it?

Are you suggesting the BLM riots were riots only because of right wingers? Isn't that like saying that racism doesn't exist because black people have staged hate crime hoaxes against themselves (see Jussie Smollett for Exhibit A)?

I don't even know why you're name dropping me here in this thread, I haven't posted anything about this topic yet!  

[Alchopwn]

56 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

The Minneapolis riot, just one of the many riots that occured due to George Floyd was the second most destructive riot in American history, only the 1992 LA riot was more destructive.  In total the Floyd riots caused approximately $2 billion in damages with thousands of people injured and I'm not sure how many killed.  

You are very clearly trying to downplay antifa and outright ignoring history and facts.

Minneappolis riots

Yeah, 2 dead ( 1 killed by police, another turned up in a burned building), 604 arrests, 500 million damages.  Nowhere near your claim of 2 Billion.

Who caused the violence at riots? It wasn't Antifa

I don't see many black guys joining Antifa

Wiki Antifa entry

Edited April 9 by Alchopwn

[DarkHunter]

3 minutes ago, Occupational Hubris said:

Oh, and just claiming it to be so is strong evidence?

Alchopwn listed several more destructive riots above.

 

Which one was the second most destructive riot in American history.

Chicago riot was about $4 million dollars in damage, adjusted for inflation is approximately $40 million today.

St Louis massacre adjusted for today caused about $9.5 million.

The New York draft riots caused between $25 million to $125 million after adjusted for inflation.

All of those are far less then $500 million.

Once again what was the second most destructive riot in America

[DarkHunter]

10 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

They are past tense and have already won.  They beat Trump and his administration.  What you are wanting is a double or nothing rematch with the future rioters he will make if he wins the next time around.  But you want to use the same losing tactics.  My idea is to not create those future rioters.

Creating an enemy just so you can try to win using the same tactics that made you lose before is just plain silly.

You are still just arguing for appeasement, you can try to justify it however you want but it is still appeasement and surrender.

[Alchopwn]

Just now, DarkHunter said:

Chicago riot was about $4 million dollars in damage, adjusted for inflation is approximately $40 million today.

Now adjust for inflation.  There are still parts of Chicago burned out from that one.

[DarkHunter]

2 minutes ago, Alchopwn said:

Minneappolis riots

Yeah, 2 dead ( 1 killed by police, another turned up in a burned building), 604 arrests, 500 million damages.  Nowhere near your claim of 2 Billion.

Who caused the violence at riots? It wasn't Antifa

You do understand that the Minneapolis riots was 1 single riot in the entirety of the summer of love riots.  That one singular riot caused $500 million in property damage with the entire summer of love riots causing between $1 billion and $2 billion in damages

[Alchopwn]

Just now, DarkHunter said:

You do understand that the Minneapolis riots was 1 single riot in the entirety of the summer of love riots.  That one singular riot caused $500 million in property damage with the entire summer of love riots causing between $1 billion and $2 billion in damages

Your facts are wrong.

[DarkHunter]

Just now, Alchopwn said:

Now adjust for inflation.  There are still parts of Chicago burned out from that one.

Did you not read the $4 million adjusted for inflation today is approximately $40 million.

Is your reading ability honestly that bad

[DarkHunter]

Just now, Alchopwn said:

Your facts are wrong.

Just saying they are wrong cause they proved you wrong does not make them wrong 

[Alchopwn]

Just now, DarkHunter said:

Just saying they are wrong cause they proved you wrong does not make them wrong 

FFS, read the Wiki entry.  You are wrong.

[DarkHunter]

Just now, Alchopwn said:

FFS, read the Wiki entry.  You are wrong.

That is all you got, no matter how you spin in antifa was involved in some of the most if not most destructive riots in America 

[DarkHunter]

2 minutes ago, Alchopwn said:

FFS, read the Wiki entry.  You are wrong.

Since you want to play stupid games

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests?wprov=sfla1

"The Property Claim Services (PCS) of the U.S. Insurance industry states that in the "unrest that took place from May 26 to June 8" 2020 in 140 U.S. cities in 20 states was "the costliest civil unrest in U.S. history", and that insured losses are "estimated at over $2 billion""

[Alchopwn]

Just now, DarkHunter said:

That is all you got, no matter how you spin in antifa was involved in some of the most if not most destructive riots in America 

Nope, it's a MAGAT trope.  MAGATs are fascists who fear Antifa for reasons quite beyond me.  Their role in these riots and demonstrations is minimal to non-existent.  They are just frat bros who lift some weights and think they are hella tougher than they actually are.  The real cause of the problems during riots are the actual armed criminal gangs in the black communities, as if that wasn't PATENTLY F-ING OBVIOUS !

[DarkHunter]

1 minute ago, Alchopwn said:

Nope, it's a MAGAT trope.  MAGATs are fascists who fear Antifa for reasons quite beyond me.  Their role in these riots and demonstrations is minimal to non-existent.  They are just frat bros who lift some weights and think they are hella tougher than they actually are.  The real cause of the problems during riots are the actual armed criminal gangs in the black communities, as if that wasn't PATENTLY F-ING OBVIOUS !

When proven wrong you resort to that garbage