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Donald Trump to 'greenlight' Putin's destruction of Ukraine, ex-CIA chief claims


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A second Donald Trump presidency poses a risk to Ukraine in their fight against Russia, according to a former director of the CIA.

John Brennan, who served as head of the intelligence service until 2017, says he is "worried" about poll data indicating a tight race between Trump and Democrat rival Joe Biden.

Recalling a meeting with the Republican during his last term, Brennan said he felt Trump "wasn't quailfied then and isn't qualified now." He highlights NATO and the US relationship with foreign allies as an area that could suffer.

https://www.the-express.com/news/us-news/133933/donald-trump-ukraine-funding-putin-europe-invasion-russia

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I totally agree!

 

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Poor Brennan.  He and the rest like him in DC probably are worrying a bit.  Good.

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I think Trump has already published his peace plan which is for Ukraine to surrender.  So, I expect Ukraine is worried as is NATO. Burt, good for them, they have figured out they can't depend on the US and need to defend themselves.  Unless US enters the war on Russia's side,  NATO will prevail.  

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Funny how Putin never invaded any of his neighbors when Trump was in office. But once Biden got in,

Putin invaded Ukraine, and now the conflict in Israel. So much for world peace. 🌎

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1 hour ago, Hawken said:

Funny how Putin never invaded any of his neighbors when Trump was in office. But once Biden got in,

Putin invaded Ukraine, and now the conflict in Israel. So much for world peace. 🌎

:lol:

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1 hour ago, Hawken said:

Funny how Putin never invaded any of his neighbors when Trump was in office. But once Biden got in,

Putin invaded Ukraine, and now the conflict in Israel. So much for world peace. 🌎

No, he just spent Trump's time in office building up his forces and preparing the invasion. Without a peep from the US.

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19 minutes ago, Setton said:

No, he just spent Trump's time in office building up his forces and preparing the invasion. Without a peep from the US.

Guess you are forgetting how Trump sent lethal aid to Ukraine during his administration, something the previous administration refused to do.

Also the build up for the invasion didn't start till the spring of 2021, but that is also an inconvenient fact.

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2 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

Guess you are forgetting how Trump sent lethal aid to Ukraine during his administration, something the previous administration refused to do

How could we forget?  There was that whole impeachment trial regarding it and how he wasn't going to send it unless they came up with dirt on Biden: Donald Trump Boasted He Sent Ukraine Military Aid, Ignores Impeachment (businessinsider.com)

The irony is now Trump and the Republicans want to cut off all aid to Ukraine to end the war.

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12 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

How could we forget?  There was that whole impeachment trial regarding it and how he wasn't going to send it unless they came up with dirt on Biden: Donald Trump Boasted He Sent Ukraine Military Aid, Ignores Impeachment (businessinsider.com)

The irony is now Trump and the Republicans want to cut off all aid to Ukraine to end the war.

That because Ukraine isn't the 51st state. Which seems to get more funds than the original 50.

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31 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

How could we forget?  There was that whole impeachment trial regarding it and how he wasn't going to send it unless they came up with dirt on Biden: Donald Trump Boasted He Sent Ukraine Military Aid, Ignores Impeachment (businessinsider.com)

The irony is now Trump and the Republicans want to cut off all aid to Ukraine to end the war.

Way to try and spin it like Trump was trying to stop the shipment of lethal aid.   The fact the first shipments of Javelins and various small arms occured in spring of 2018 and continued periodically, before the incident that caused the impeachment trial, but it's not like you would ever try to ignore an inconvenient fact that didn't back something you are arguing.

The freedom caucus wants to end aid to Ukraine and they are far from all Republicans but it is more beneficial to you to try and paint all Republicans as wanting to end Ukranian military aid.  

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37 minutes ago, Hawken said:

That because Ukraine isn't the 51st state. Which seems to get more funds than the original 50.

We’re going to end up fighting the Russian Prick sooner or later, might as well only be losing our money rather than our lives while we prepare.

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3 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

We’re going to end up fighting the Russian Prick sooner or later, might as well only be losing our money rather than our lives while we prepare.

That is the truth, the more the Ukraine wears the Russians down the easier it will be to destroy them later!!:yes:

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1 hour ago, DarkHunter said:

Guess you are forgetting how Trump sent lethal aid to Ukraine during his administration, something the previous administration refused to do.

Also the build up for the invasion didn't start till the spring of 2021, but that is also an inconvenient fact.

Sure it didn't oh oracle 🙄

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3 hours ago, Hawken said:

Funny how Putin never invaded any of his neighbors when Trump was in office. But once Biden got in,

Putin invaded Ukraine, and now the conflict in Israel. So much for world peace. 🌎

Do you remember Crimea 2014?  That was a test run and it went great, Neither Obama or Trump objected.  Trump went further in 2018.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/trump-putin-and-crimea/

Putin’s spokesperson says Crimea—which the Russian military seized from Ukraine in 2014—is a settled matter and not a topic for summit discussion. That is not quite true. The Kremlin would love nothing more than to have the U.S. president accept and recognize its illegal annexation of Crimea. That would score a big win for Putin.

Trump unfortunately has given Moscow reason for hope. While virtually all other U.S. officials maintain that the United States continues to regard Crimea as part of Ukraine, Trump says: “We’re going to have to see.” At the June G-7 summit, he reportedly suggested Crimea should belong to Russia because most people there speak Russian.

 

By Trump's logic, the Southwest US should belong to Mexico because so many people speak Spanish.  Hawken, there is more going on in the world besides who is US President.  If you want to spin a story, you could also say Putin and Xi made good use of Trump's Presidency and his ease of manipulation.  Putin used him to erode NATO for four years.  Xi used his desire to ignore Taiwan as a safe time to build up military force. All it took was a love letter or two from a two bit dictator in North Korea to make Trump think he had the world on a string. 

Then Biden gets elected and reverses things.  Putin doesn't want to watch Biden rebuild NATO for four years, so he invaders.  Xi does not want  to face the US defending Taiwan, so he backs off.

 

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1 hour ago, Hawken said:

That because Ukraine isn't the 51st state. Which seems to get more funds than the original 50.

Before you get all weepy and sad, take a look at how much money is flowing to states as a result of infrastructure projects.  Georgia is $10.2 billion on top of all other federal aid sent to Georgia. You can find that data easily.

Maybe you know how military aid works too.  When we send anybody a billion dollars worth of military equipment, we are pulling it out of a stockpile and replacing it with new equipment made in America and providing American  jobs.  Its almost like that deduction you take on your taxes for giving good will some worn out stuff you don't want anymore.

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10 hours ago, WVK said:

A second Donald Trump presidency poses a risk to Ukraine in their fight against Russia, according to a former director of the CIA.

John Brennan, who served as head of the intelligence service until 2017, says he is "worried" about poll data indicating a tight race between Trump and Democrat rival Joe Biden.

Recalling a meeting with the Republican during his last term, Brennan said he felt Trump "wasn't quailfied then and isn't qualified now." He highlights NATO and the US relationship with foreign allies as an area that could suffer.

https://www.the-express.com/news/us-news/133933/donald-trump-ukraine-funding-putin-europe-invasion-russia

Most rational reasonably educated people have come to the conclusion BOM is soft on Russia same say he's a puppet idk because that wouldn't be very patriotic to put Russia before American and Americans.

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21 minutes ago, Setton said:

Sure it didn't oh oracle 🙄

You really want to argue very well established facts, if that is what you want then I have no problem proving you wrong.

This is from April of 2021 talking about Russia moving troops to the border of Ukraine.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-usa-idUSKBN2BV2Z3/

This has satellite pictures of the build up and talks about the April 2021 build up.

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ukraine-military-buildup-satellite-images/31214867.html

Depending on the time frame Russia gave different reasons for the build up, if I remember correctly in the spring citing security concerns and in summer saying the build up was for a large scale military training exercise in September of 2021, Zapad 2021, which included approximately 200,000 ground troops, 760 pieces of heavy militaryequipment, and 15 naval ships.  After Zapad 2021 ended the troops were brought back but suspiciously the heavy military equipment was left in staging areas near the Ukranian border.  In late 202q and early 2022 Russia started moving the troops back to the Ukranian border along with setting up military hospitals, setting up temporary blood storage facilities near the front, and moving in division level artillery pieces along with ballistic missile launchers.  

In late February of 2022 Russia invaded, personally I suspect the uprising in Kazakhstan delayed the initial invasion by a few critical weeks as Russian VDV troops were sent from the border of Ukraine to Kazakhstan to put down the uprising before returning back to the border and taking part in the initial quick assault of Kyiv.

The build up occured under Biden with Biden's response just being a few sanctions on Russian oligarchs and Biden saying famously

"It's one thing if it's a minor incursion and we end up having to fight about what to do and not do"

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/01/19/politics/russia-ukraine-joe-biden-news-conference

Which a lot of people involved in international matters took as about the worst possible thing Biden could of said and borderline gave Putin a green light to invade Ukraine by suggesting as long as it could be spun as a "minor incursion" that America and the west wouldn't get involved.

But all of that hurts the narrative so it's just ignored or rewritten to boost the narrative.

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2 hours ago, DarkHunter said:

Way to try and spin it like Trump was trying to stop the shipment of lethal aid.   The fact the first shipments of Javelins and various small arms occured in spring of 2018 and continued periodically, before the incident that caused the impeachment trial, but it's not like you would ever try to ignore an inconvenient fact that didn't back something you are arguing.

The freedom caucus wants to end aid to Ukraine and they are far from all Republicans but it is more beneficial to you to try and paint all Republicans as wanting to end Ukranian military aid.  

Honestly, you and Grim Reaper are the only Republicans (I am assuming you are Republican because you are speaking for them) that supports sending aid to Ukraine on this forum.   I'm not exactly sure what kind of point you were trying to make by saying the Dems were against it when the current problem with no bill being passed to give aid rests solely on the house Republicans. 

You seemed to be adamant against the idea of appeasement before-  why would you suddenly support Trump and his idea of appeasement? Zelenskyy bashes the idea Ukraine would cede land to Russia — the core of Trump's reported secret plan to end the war (msn.com)   

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2 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Honestly, you and Grim Reaper are the only Republicans (I am assuming you are Republican because you are speaking for them) that supports sending aid to Ukraine on this forum.   I'm not exactly sure what kind of point you were trying to make by saying the Dems were against it when the current problem with no bill being passed to give aid rests solely on the house Republicans. 

You seemed to be adamant against the idea of appeasement before-  why would you suddenly support Trump and his idea of appeasement? Zelenskyy bashes the idea Ukraine would cede land to Russia — the core of Trump's reported secret plan to end the war (msn.com)   

It's pointing out the notion that Trump is a Russian puppet is insane and stupid as Trump was the first president to send lethal aid to Ukraine, along with increasing the amount of military advisors/trainers America sent to Ukraine while the Democrats opposed it out of fear of antagonizing Putin and provoking Putin to attack in some way.  As for the current problem with aid to Ukraine, that is more complex as unfortunately the issued got involved in political warfare and the Freedom Caucus is made up of short sighted radical idiots willing to burn everything down instead of negotiate.  

I know this might be a crazy idea, especially on here, but it is possible to support a candidate with not supporting every single one of his positions.  There are some things Trump does that I agree with, some I'm neutral on, and some I disagree with, the exact same with Biden.  

As for aiding Ukraine I still hold the position that even more military aid should be given to Ukraine to ensure they win as this is the best possible way to remove a geostrategical rival from the international stage and allow America to more fully pivot to countering China.  I have a suspicion that aid will continue to be drip fed to Ukraine for as long as possible to maximize how much men and material Russia is bled even if it comes at the cost of Ukranians, a quick Ukranian victory won't exhaust Russia as much as a prolonged war would.  

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9 hours ago, and-then said:

Poor Brennan.  He and the rest like him in DC probably are worrying a bit. 

why would anyone listen to to that fraud
 

Evidence continues to mount that Obama officials’ drive to conjure up the Russiagate “scandal” in order to cripple the Trump “presidency went well beyond politicization of the Justice Department.

It now looks like then-CIA chief John Brennan drummed up a phony intelligence community “consensus” on Russian election meddling. In fact, two senior intel officials toldRealClearInvestigations’ Paul Sperry, career analysts disputed Brennan’s conclusion that Vladimir Putin was intent on helping defeat Hillary Clinton, but the CIA director ignored them — making a political ally who donated to Hillary Clinton the report’s lead writer and personally editing a section of it himself.

Brennan’s report then helped justify the Russiagate investigation — which, after two years, found absolutely no collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.”

https://nypost.com/2020/09/30/the-russiagate-games-politicized-us-intelligence-too/

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Using the logic that is frequently used against Trump would suggest that Biden is a puppet of Putin.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/opinion/national-security/4557384-biden-inexplicably-urges-ukraine-to-be-less-effective-fighting-against-russia/amp/

Biden is urging Ukraine to stop attacks on Russian energy infrastructure, particularly oil refineries, saying it will upset the market and provoke Putin.  

Since Biden is trying to get Ukraine to stop attacks that hurt Russia that means Biden must be a puppet of Putin, that is using the logic that is used on Trump.  Personally I think Biden is more concerned a messed up oil market will cost him the election.

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4 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

Using the logic that is frequently used against Trump would suggest that Biden is a puppet of Putin.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/opinion/national-security/4557384-biden-inexplicably-urges-ukraine-to-be-less-effective-fighting-against-russia/amp/

Biden is urging Ukraine to stop attacks on Russian energy infrastructure, particularly oil refineries, saying it will upset the market and provoke Putin.  

Since Biden is trying to get Ukraine to stop attacks that hurt Russia that means Biden must be a puppet of Putin, that is using the logic that is used on Trump.  Personally I think Biden is more concerned a messed up oil market will cost him the election.

Logic is foreign to leftist. They swallow up what the corporate media tells them instead of using that computer in their skull.

Like for example, how covid was vicious virus and yet Biden allows millions of unvetted migrants into the US.

Any smart leader would have closed the border and restricted travel from other countries.

But it seems covid wasn't that serious since over 99% of people recovered from it.

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer (worldometers.info)

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1 hour ago, Tatetopa said:

Before you get all weepy and sad, take a look at how much money is flowing to states as a result of infrastructure projects.  Georgia is $10.2 billion on top of all other federal aid sent to Georgia. You can find that data easily.

Maybe you know how military aid works too.  When we send anybody a billion dollars worth of military equipment, we are pulling it out of a stockpile and replacing it with new equipment made in America and providing American  jobs.  Its almost like that deduction you take on your taxes for giving good will some worn out stuff you don't want anymore.

Here's how much money the US sent to Ukraine, and this comes from good ole CNN. This link was posted September 2023.

I see Poland stopped supporting Ukraine. $113 billion: Where the US investment in Ukraine aid has gone | CNN Politics

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4 hours ago, Setton said:

No, he just spent Trump's time in office building up his forces and preparing the invasion. Without a peep from the US.

Didn't realize it took 4 years to build up an army to invade a small country like Ukraine. Sounds to me like wishful thinking on your part.

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