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Donald Trump to 'greenlight' Putin's destruction of Ukraine, ex-CIA chief claims


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1 hour ago, Hawken said:

Here's how much money the US sent to Ukraine, and this comes from good ole CNN. This link was posted September 2023.

I see Poland stopped supporting Ukraine. $113 billion: Where the US investment in Ukraine aid has gone | CNN Politics

From the CNN article.

What does the military funding buy?

A lot of firepower. Start with 300 million rounds of ammunition and millions of artillery rounds.

The Pentagon and State Department have a list of what the billions in US aid have gone to since Biden took office.

It includes 198 Howitzers for those millions of artillery rounds; 31 Abrams tanks; hundreds of Bradley infantry fighting vehicles; hundreds of armored personnel vehicles; anti-tank systems like the Javelin; NASAMS (national advanced surface-to-air missile systems) and HAWK air defense systems; river patrol boats; medical supplies; night vision devices; cold weather gear; and spare parts.

Pretty much everything you could imagine short of F-16 fighter jets, which are to be provided by other countries.

 

 

As mentioned above, all of this stuff will be replaced by new stuff built by US workers in the US 

But of course, we could just give that money to the elites as tax cuts. That is what Trump promised at his fundraiser.   Would that suit you better if it wound up in offshore accounts  with no jobs provided?

 

 

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58 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

From the CNN article.

What does the military funding buy?

A lot of firepower. Start with 300 million rounds of ammunition and millions of artillery rounds.

The Pentagon and State Department have a list of what the billions in US aid have gone to since Biden took office.

It includes 198 Howitzers for those millions of artillery rounds; 31 Abrams tanks; hundreds of Bradley infantry fighting vehicles; hundreds of armored personnel vehicles; anti-tank systems like the Javelin; NASAMS (national advanced surface-to-air missile systems) and HAWK air defense systems; river patrol boats; medical supplies; night vision devices; cold weather gear; and spare parts.

Pretty much everything you could imagine short of F-16 fighter jets, which are to be provided by other countries.

 

 

As mentioned above, all of this stuff will be replaced by new stuff built by US workers in the US 

But of course, we could just give that money to the elites as tax cuts. That is what Trump promised at his fundraiser.   Would that suit you better if it wound up in offshore accounts  with no jobs provided?

 

 

Again, Ukraine isn't the 51st state of the union. That money needs to be spent in the US. !00s of billions are already spent on all 50 states.

The US doesn't need to be the charity to the world. Which states rely the most on federal aid? (usafacts.org)

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5 hours ago, WVK said:

why would anyone listen to to that fraud

People listen to Trump. 

Republicans don't mind corporate fraud if they think there something I'm it for them.

Your taxpayer money went towards Trump's lie about a stolen election. You don't seem to have a problem with that. 

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52 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

What really bothers you about this?  

The American taxpayer doesn't need their money sent to foreign countries where their corrupt leaders will just pocket the money and not help out their citizens.

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39 minutes ago, Hawken said:

The American taxpayer doesn't need their money sent to foreign countries where their corrupt leaders will just pocket the money and not help out their citizens.

 

Well I'd sure agree with that.  So what does that have to do with the  current situation? Even though the Ukrainians are the underdogs, even thought they seem to be outgunned, they have come up with some brilliant strategies to remain free.   Seems to me freedom is often worth fighting for. Who benefits if you believe Zelinsky  is corrupt?  He got elected on an anti-corruption ticket.  How much do you really know and how much are you relying on an opinion that originally came from Putin?

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12 hours ago, DarkHunter said:

You really want to argue very well established facts, if that is what you want then I have no problem proving you wrong.

Right, yes, of course. The first the US intelligence agencies knew about it was when Russian soldiers rocked up on the Ukrainian border 

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10 hours ago, Hawken said:

Didn't realize it took 4 years to build up an army to invade a small country like Ukraine. Sounds to me like wishful thinking on your part.

You think armies and invasion plans just spring into being?

Sounds to me like ignorance on yours.

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15 hours ago, Setton said:

No, he just spent Trump's time in office building up his forces and preparing the invasion. Without a peep from the US.

 It wasn't until 2 years after Biden was in before they invaded. I think they started amassing troops at the border some time in 2021 , but i imagine the ideas and some planning for this could well go back to the Crimea invasion times , like 2014 or so. I mean , the whole process is similiar(Russia annexing land there that is).

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17 hours ago, Hawken said:

Funny how Putin never invaded any of his neighbors when Trump was in office. But once Biden got in,

Putin invaded Ukraine, and now the conflict in Israel. So much for world peace. 🌎

This war began in 2014.

Doug

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4 hours ago, Setton said:

Right, yes, of course. The first the US intelligence agencies knew about it was when Russian soldiers rocked up on the Ukrainian border 

So Trump sends lethal aid and military trainers to Ukraine, Russia starts the build up to the invasion under Biden and launches the invasion under Biden, and yet it is still Trump's fault cause he didn't do enough to stop the invasion but Biden doing near nothing and borderline telling Russia that America/the west won't do anything as long as it's a "minor incursion" was fine and Biden has no responsibility over what happened.

Let's be honest, if Trump would of done anything you would of been calling Trump a war monger who was looking to start a war with Russia and was trying to provoke them to attack.

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1 hour ago, DarkHunter said:

So Trump sends lethal aid and military trainers to Ukraine, Russia starts the build up to the invasion under Biden and launches the invasion under Biden, and yet it is still Trump's fault cause he didn't do enough to stop the invasion but Biden doing near nothing and borderline telling Russia that America/the west won't do anything as long as it's a "minor incursion" was fine and Biden has no responsibility over what happened.

Let's be honest, if Trump would of done anything you would of been calling Trump a war monger who was looking to start a war with Russia and was trying to provoke them to attack.

I find it difficult to believe the world's axis revolves around Trump and Biden and the US.  Russia, China, India, and the rest of the world have their own interests and timelines. 

How much lethal aid did Trump send?  $390 million and change? Is that significant or a token?

You know a lot about how the world works. It is not as binary as some of the comments make it out to be.  It is not as easy as flipping a switch between Obama and Trump or Trump and Biden and having all US programs and the world turn on a dime. Even US government programs can take several years from start up  to effectiveness. 

If it were any different, it would make the US a totally undependable ally and a failure in international relations.  Radically changing all policies every four years would destroy the ability for long term planning of any kind.

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4 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

I find it difficult to believe the world's axis revolves around Trump and Biden and the US.  Russia, China, India, and the rest of the world have their own interests and timelines. 

How much lethal aid did Trump send?  $390 million and change? Is that significant or a token?

You know a lot about how the world works. It is not as binary as some of the comments make it out to be.  It is not as easy as flipping a switch between Obama and Trump or Trump and Biden and having all US programs and the world turn on a dime. Even US government programs can take several years from start up  to effectiveness. 

If it were any different, it would make the US a totally undependable ally and a failure in international relations.  Radically changing all policies every four years would destroy the ability for long term planning of any kind.

All of that is essentially meaningless and pointless to what was being talked about.

There was an accusation that Putin spent the time Trump was in office building up his invasion force with Trump letting Putin get away with it and doing nothing to stop it.

The reality was Putin didn't start the build up till 2021 and Trump started sending lethal aid along with increasing the amount of military trainers/advisors starting in 2018.  What did happen was Biden had a massive gaffe that borderline gave Putin permission to invade Ukraine by suggesting America/the west would not get involved if it was a minor incursion.  

What does anything you said have to do with the accusation or how it was being countered

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On 4/11/2024 at 12:45 AM, and-then said:

Poor Brennan.  He and the rest like him in DC probably are worrying a bit.  Good.

If they’re not worried then they better be. Washington and London’s geo strategic gambit to entice Russia into an unwinable war has failed. Retaliation by Putin will be swift and the world will not be safer. Don’t know what you find good in all this? 
 

 

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1 hour ago, DarkHunter said:

All of that is essentially meaningless and pointless to what was being talked about.

There was an accusation that Putin spent the time Trump was in office building up his invasion force with Trump letting Putin get away with it and doing nothing to stop it.

The reality was Putin didn't start the build up till 2021 and Trump started sending lethal aid along with increasing the amount of military trainers/advisors starting in 2018.  What did happen was Biden had a massive gaffe that borderline gave Putin permission to invade Ukraine by suggesting America/the west would not get involved if it was a minor incursion.  

What does anything you said have to do with the accusation or how it was being countered

OK thanks, I guess you got it figured out.  Thanks for the analysis.

 

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