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Shooting in Philadelphia park as muslims celebrated Eid-Al-Fitr


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Breaking news. 3 shot and 5 in custody at this time. The news video at the top of the link is very informative with what is known now. This was put up about 10 minutes ago. I just saw it breaking on TV. They will air updates as they get them.

3 shot after gunfire erupts at Eid al-Fitr event in the Parkside section of Philadelphia marking end of Ramadan - 6abc Philadelphia

Three people were shot and five people are in custody after gunfire erupted in a Philadelphia park where an Eid al-Fitr event, to mark the end of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, was taking place.

Philadelphia Police Commissioner Kevin Bethel said two factions inside the park exchanged gunfire, and some 30 shots were fired.

 

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News just said it happened around 2:30 pm. A 15 yr old boy who was armed was shot by police and is in custody, I would think in a hospital. They really didn't say. There were 3 boys and 1 girl taken into custody and 4 weapons were found. Allegedly two groups were involved but nothing at all about how this started. A young child was hit by a police car and is being treated for a broken leg. There were hundreds of people in the park at the time.

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This report is from NBC 10 Philadelphia. They don't seem to think it had anything to do with Ramadan but they're still investigating.

3 hurt, 5 arrested after shooting at West Philly Eid al-Fitr event, police say (msn.com)

Philadelphia Police Commissioner Kevin Bethel said officers who were assigned to the event were writing tickets for cars parked at a nearby gas station when they heard about 30 gunshots.

The officers observed two groups at the park shooting at each other, according to Bethel.

“I walked through this event and we know that the majority, 99 percent of the individuals at this event, are good people who wanted to have a good time," Bethel said. "And once again we have young people engaging in gunfire who just really destroyed the sanctity of what happened.”

The responding officers then spotted three men and a woman who were running away from the scene. Those four people were stopped by the officers who recovered four weapons, investigators said.

At the same time, a police officer approached an armed 15-year-old boy, according to Bethel. The officer shot the teen in the shoulder and leg. Bethel said it's unknown at this time if the teen had initially fired at the officer but police recovered his weapon.

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Let me guess …. One group was Sunni and the other Shi’ite?

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12 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Let me guess …. One group was Sunni and the other Shi’ite?

It doesn't sound like that. Philly news seems to think it was teens shooting at each other. That's sadly become a common event in Philly. Other media is covering it now. I watch Philly news every day because I live about an hour away and that's were I first saw it as breaking news. I'll post what I found on CNN. It doesn't seem like even the attendees at the event think it was an attack on them. The cops said they saw these kids shooting at each other.

5 people arrested after shooting in West Philadelphia (msn.com)

A woman who says she was attending a nearby event for Eid al-Fitr, an Islamic religious celebration marking the end of the holy month of Ramadan, said she was enjoying time with her family when she heard shots. Everyone around her began running, screaming, and getting on the ground and as she ran, she frantically searched for her son, then her mom, brothers, and grandmother.

“We don’t know who was shooting, where the shots came from, but people started shooting and everyone just started running. You have babies, elderly people, everybody was just there to enjoy themselves, and now we end up at the emergency room.”

“You can’t even have a celebration without having to worry about somebody getting shot,” Bey added.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives responded to the shooting reports and is on the scene, a spokesperson said.

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The 5 arrested range in age from 15-21. That was just on the news. The park is now empty but tents, picnic blankets and police remain. The investigation is still very active. All injuries are non-life threatening. One 22 year old was shot in the abdomen and will likely need surgery. A juvenile was shot in the hands. An armed 15 yr old was shot by police and taken to the hospital. Clara Muhammad Square is the name of the park where this happened.

Sorry about all the editing. My link to Channel 6 has been updated.

3 shot after gunfire erupts at Eid al-Fitr event in the Parkside section of Philadelphia marking end of Ramadan - 6abc Philadelphia

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1 hour ago, susieice said:

Breaking news. 3 shot and 5 in custody at this time. The news video at the top of the link is very informative with what is known now. This was put up about 10 minutes ago. I just saw it breaking on TV. They will air updates as they get them.

3 shot after gunfire erupts at Eid al-Fitr event in the Parkside section of Philadelphia marking end of Ramadan - 6abc Philadelphia

Three people were shot and five people are in custody after gunfire erupted in a Philadelphia park where an Eid al-Fitr event, to mark the end of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, was taking place.

Philadelphia Police Commissioner Kevin Bethel said two factions inside the park exchanged gunfire, and some 30 shots were fired.

 

Do you think the US will ever get tired with civilians having guns? I know ending it is a big ask, but Europe was awash with guns in the 1950s (a consequence of WW2) but every European country just clamped down with an iron fist and banned everything except hunting rifles and shotguns. Some military weapons got through, of course, and it hasn't ended violent crime, but there are no public gun shops for handguns and assault rifles and far less random shootings. In most European countries, being found with a handgun or assault rifle will get you prison time, even if you haven't fired it, which is a pretty good deterrent. And pretty fair too, as there is no reason for owning one unless you want to shoot people.

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Already, pellinore? You sound like our Democrats who I'm sure are already spinning this into anti-gun rants. Not to mention a hate crime.

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4 minutes ago, pellinore said:

Do you think the US will ever get tired with civilians having guns? I know ending it is a big ask, but Europe was awash with guns in the 1950s (a consequence of WW2) but every European country just clamped down with an iron fist and banned everything except hunting rifles and shotguns. Some military weapons got through, of course, and it hasn't ended violent crime, but there are no public gun shops for handguns and assault rifles and far less random shootings. In most European countries, being found with a handgun or assault rifle will get you prison time, even if you haven't fired it, which is a pretty good deterrent. And pretty fair too, as there is no reason for owning one unless you want to shoot people.

Something needs to be done. Especially since this is young teens doing this.  Thankfully the attendees, though upset, do not think it was an attack on them. Philadelphia news is full of teens and kids doing damage and shooting at each other every day. So are a lot of other cities. Maybe if the kids were charged with a hate crime, they'd wise up. They would get federal time in prison. The investigation is on going so hopefully by the 11:00 news, they'll know more about what happened and why.

NBC Channel 10 just updated their website also.

3 hurt, 5 arrested after shooting at West Philly Eid al-Fitr event, police say (msn.com)

The shooting led to a massive police presence in West Philadelphia. While officers were responding to the shooting, a police vehicle struck a young girl, causing her to suffer a fractured leg, according to Bethel.

“Clearly we send our prayers out to her and her family," Bethel said. "That is not our intended purpose and we will make sure we will be following up with her and her family to let them know that.”

After the incident, Corey Taylor, who says he's the father of one of the shooting victims, 22-year-old Nhashon Tawfiq Richards, spoke with NBC10.

"I’m tired of all the violence and the nonsense that’s going on. We can do better as a people, as all Homo sapiens, human beings," Taylor said. "That we need to do better, love one another and we all can live in prosperity, peace and harmony and stop hating one another. Over what someone else got or dislike over a female or some type of hood affiliation or whatever. It’s stupid. And it’s nonsense. People’s lives are priceless. Appreciate and value your life. I love my son. I love my children. I love society. Anyone can get their life together. Anyone can!"

 

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6 minutes ago, Michelle said:

Already, pellinore? You sound like our Democrats who I'm sure are already spinning this into anti-gun rants. Not to mention a hate crime.

No Michelle. No one is considering it a hate crime. Not in Philly anyway. Gunfire between groups of teens and even younger has been going on for a long time. When we find out more about the kids, they probably didn't really belong there in the first place. No one has even called it an attack. The muslims knew they weren't being shot at. Police saw 2 groups of kids shooting at each other and they got 5 of them in custody. 

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3 minutes ago, susieice said:

No Michelle. No one is considering it a hate crime. Not in Philly anyway. Gunfire between groups of teens and even younger has been going on for a long time. When we find out more about the kids, they probably didn't really belong there in the first place.

We'll have to wait and see how they spin it to fit their agenda.

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7 minutes ago, Michelle said:

We'll have to wait and see how they spin it to fit their agenda.

I really don't think they will Michelle. At least not in the city. Even the attendees know teens shooting at each other is an everyday thing. Read what they said. I don't know about national news. We will need to see what they say but at the moment even CNN isn't calling it an attack on Muslims. Nobody likes what's going on with those kids that really shouldn't have access to guns. It's every day and has been for a long time.

5 people arrested after shooting in West Philadelphia (msn.com)

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1 hour ago, susieice said:

I really don't think they will Michelle. At least not in the city. Even the attendees know teens shooting at each other is an everyday thing. Read what they said. I don't know about national news. We will need to see what they say but at the moment even CNN isn't calling it an attack on Muslims. Nobody likes what's going on with those kids that really shouldn't have access to guns. It's every day and has been for a long time.

5 people arrested after shooting in West Philadelphia (msn.com)

Now days guns aren't even necessary for kids to murder and maul each other...

Just takes 10-12 of them and a cell phone.

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2 hours ago, pellinore said:

Do you think the US will ever get tired with civilians having guns? I know ending it is a big ask, but Europe was awash with guns in the 1950s (a consequence of WW2) but every European country just clamped down with an iron fist and banned everything except hunting rifles and shotguns. Some military weapons got through, of course, and it hasn't ended violent crime, but there are no public gun shops for handguns and assault rifles and far less random shootings. In most European countries, being found with a handgun or assault rifle will get you prison time, even if you haven't fired it, which is a pretty good deterrent. And pretty fair too, as there is no reason for owning one unless you want to shoot people.

It is a very difficult process, there are millions and millions of unregistered guns in America. The problem is if somehow the registered guns were collected the unregistered guns would still support the criminal element. I think it is a losing proposition to think that all guns could ever be collected. I think laws involving gun crimes must be stiffer, starting with first time offenders. I believe this is the only thing we can do at this point.

JIMHO

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2 hours ago, pellinore said:

Do you think the US will ever get tired with civilians having guns? I know ending it is a big ask, but Europe was awash with guns in the 1950s (a consequence of WW2) but every European country just clamped down with an iron fist and banned everything except hunting rifles and shotguns. Some military weapons got through, of course, and it hasn't ended violent crime, but there are no public gun shops for handguns and assault rifles and far less random shootings. In most European countries, being found with a handgun or assault rifle will get you prison time, even if you haven't fired it, which is a pretty good deterrent. And pretty fair too, as there is no reason for owning one unless you want to shoot people.

Europe still has a sizeable amount of guns, they just aren't in western European countries except Switzerland.  

Austria after getting a firearms license semiautomatic hand guns, revolvers, semiautomatic rifles (including AR-15 and similar rifles), and shotguns can be owned.  Austria also has licensed public gun stores.

Croatia doesn't really seem to limit semiautomatic hand guns, revolvers, semiautomatic rifles (again including AR-15 and similar rifles), and shotguns.  Like Austria they require a license to own.

Czech Republic has the right to own firearms in their constitution and beyond requiring a license are generally like America in the type of guns that can be owned by the civilian population.  From what I understand AR-15 rifles are growing in popularity but the domestically produced rifles from CZ are still preferred, the only real difference between the two being AR-15 using direct impingement gas operating system while most CZ rifles use a short stroke gas piston system.

Finland requires each gun to be licensed and the licensing requires a reason of which self defence is not considered a valid reason but essentially same restrictions on the types of guns own as America.  Finland also has the third highest rate of civilian gun ownership only behind America and Yemen.

Italy allows guns but their gun laws are weird, they put limits on how many certain type of guns a person can own for some types of guns and have no limits on others.  They also require license/registering a gun.

Lithuania requires an exam if you want to have guns for self defence but otherwise no real limits on ownership.  Also pretty much the same guns an American can buy a Lithuanian can buy but I have a feeling from stuff I have seen that ComBlock type weapons are more popular then western ones, more AK style and less AR style rifles but I'm not completely sure.

Poland requires a permit and different permits will allow different types of guns to be owned.  Poland gun laws are extremely weird and are both extremely strict and extremely loose at the same time.  Until 2018 it was apparently stupidly easy to get fully automatic guns in Poland by getting them under historical permit regardless of how old they were.

From what I understand Slovakia has gun laws comparable to California.

Slovenia has quite a bit of hoops for buying and storing but nothing particularly restrictive it seems on what can be owned compared to what the average American citizen can acquire.

From estimates it seems there are approximately 80 million firearms owned by civilians in Europe, which while far smaller then America which I think has estimates between 400 million and 500 million it is still a sizeable amount of guns.

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16 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

It is a very difficult process, there are millions and millions of unregistered guns in America. The problem is if somehow the registered guns were collected the unregistered guns would still support the criminal element. I think it is a losing proposition to think that all guns could ever be collected. I think laws involving gun crimes must be stiffer, starting with first time offenders. I believe this is the only thing we can do at this point.

JIMHO

Many outside the US I do not believe actually can grasp the amount of arms in the US...

Even after WW2,I don't believe there were as many in Europe,as have been collected up over the last 80 or so years into modern day America.

I actually believe the true number is more staggering than statistics point out.

I agree, there's no other way really.

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I see that the report links above have been updated. At first release, they said the girl hit by the police cruiser as she was running away was a young child. Now they say she was 15 yrs old and has a fractured leg. 

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The news is coming on now. Let's see what they have to say. They just showed a young, maybe 16 or 17, black boy with dreadlocks being taken into custody. His face was blurred out. The ATF and the FBI are here and the investigation is still ongoing. They showed the assault rifle that was taken from the 15 yr old boy that had been shot by an officer. It still hasn't been released if he had fired at the officer. The two victims are in stable condition. They still don't know why the shooting started. This is still the updated link.

3 shot after gunfire erupts at Eid al-Fitr event in the Parkside section of Philadelphia marking end of Ramadan - 6abc Philadelphia

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God. There's another three shootings reported tonight. 

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2 hours ago, CrimsonKing said:

Now days guns aren't even necessary for kids to murder and maul each other...

Just takes 10-12 of them and a cell phone.

I've seen a lot of reports over the past year or two where kids get on cell phones and social media to all meet at a mall or a store and they totally destroy the place! In the summer, they invade house parties and destroy the place. Sometimes they start shooting. What is wrong with them?

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1 hour ago, CrimsonKing said:

Many outside the US I do not believe actually can grasp the amount of arms in the US...

Even after WW2,I don't believe there were as many in Europe,as have been collected up over the last 80 or so years into modern day America.

I actually believe the true number is more staggering than statistics point out.

I agree, there's no other way really.

Yea I also don’t think that people in the US and Globally can comprehend the number of gun in the civilian sector of the United States. Yea I think that the only way to combat the situation today is to make the laws so strict that people will be afraid to break them. Because there no way at this point to collect all the guns, it’s impossible.

Peace man

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5 minutes ago, susieice said:

I've seen a lot of reports over the past year or two where kids get on cell phones and social media to all meet at a mall or a store and they totally destroy the place! In the summer, they invade house parties and destroy the place. Sometimes they start shooting. What is wrong with them?

A combination of things if one steps back from any type of right/left paradigm...

Unfortunately many youth today,are children of adult children...

Something really changed with society as a whole,hell across the globe when Smart tech really appeared around the first I phones release,in my opinion at least...

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4 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

A combination of things if one steps back from any type of right/left paradigm...

Unfortunately many youth today,are children of adult children...

Something really changed with society as a whole,hell across the globe when Smart tech really appeared around the first I phones release,in my opinion at least...

Adult children is a good way of putting it. 

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5 hours ago, DarkHunter said:

Europe still has a sizeable amount of guns, they just aren't in western European countries except Switzerland.  

Italy has a thriving small arms industry but even though they also have a thriving gangster industry (Mafia) 90% of the population don't own guns. I think the main difference between the US and other countries is the constitutional right: Like in most Countries outside of the United States, Italian citizens do not enjoy a constitutional right to keep and bear arms; if anything, it has been affirmed multiple times by court rulings that the system must be intended as one where licenses represent an exception to an otherwise general prohibition. The post-war 1946 Italian republican constitution goes as far to mention, on Article 17, that Italian citizens have a right to gather “peacefully and without arms.

Interestingly, in Svalbard (Norwegian) citizens are required by law to carry firearms! But that is because of bear attacks.

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They haven't reported anything we don't already know. I'm sure they are questioning the people they have in custody.

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Ok. Since the evening news Channel 6 Philadelphia has published the name and picture of one of the suspects. It's the 21 yr old. We'll see what they say on tonight's broadcast.

Kahbir Oglesby-Hicks arrested: Philadelphia police ID suspect in custody after gunfire erupts near Eid al-Fitr event - 6abc Philadelphia

Kahbir Oglesby-Hicks, 21, is being charged with evading arrest and several weapons offenses in connection with the shooting.

Four other suspects are also in custody, including two 15-year-old boys, a 16-year-old girl and a 16-year-old boy. The teens are facing charges of recklessly endangering another person and weapons offenses, according to police.

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