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Avi Loeb: ET may have reached us using 'dimension-hopping' technology


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Speculation. Anyone can do it. This guy makes a living doing it apparently. 

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That's a theory that seems plausible.

Don't have any maths or formulas but it's an idea I've been wondering about for some years.

 

Wouldn't mind some aliens or proof of alien life showing up.  Would most likely stop a lot of conflicts.

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5 minutes ago, iAlrakis said:

Wouldn't mind some aliens or proof of alien life showing up.  Would most likely stop a lot of conflicts.

Thats God you are thinking about. 

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In all fairness, any technology sufficient to support alien visitation to the planet is going to be pretty much God-like to us.  We would be literally unable to understand it.

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1 hour ago, aquatus1 said:

In all fairness, any technology sufficient to support alien visitation to the planet is going to be pretty much God-like to us.  We would be literally unable to understand it.

Why not?

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2 hours ago, Hazzard said:

Thats God you are thinking about. 

Nope, that guy is not real :-)

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34 minutes ago, astrobeing said:

Why not?

The sheer amount of obstacles that would need to be overcome are so far beyond anything we, who have barely left our planets front porch, have had to deal with, it beggars the imagination.  How could we understand the technology of a solution to an issue we weren't even aware existed?  How would we begin understanding something that has evolved and developed itself to survive an environment that has destroyed entire planets?

To us, walking from one room to another is not that big a deal.  Going from one continent to another is more difficult, but quite doable.  But for a bacteria, even conceiving of these distances is unimaginable.  The technology of a plane is forever beyond it.  We are their gods for our abilities.  Any species capable of traveling through the universe?  They will be gods to us.

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37 minutes ago, aquatus1 said:

The sheer amount of obstacles that would need to be overcome are so far beyond anything we, who have barely left our planets front porch, have had to deal with, it beggars the imagination.

That doesn't mean we couldn't understand it.

38 minutes ago, aquatus1 said:

How could we understand the technology of a solution to an issue we weren't even aware existed?

But we are aware of the problem.

39 minutes ago, aquatus1 said:

 How would we begin understanding something that has evolved and developed itself to survive an environment that has destroyed entire planets?

Destroy planets? Where and when did planets get destroyed??? I've only seen them destroyed on Star Trek and in the Star Wars movies!

39 minutes ago, aquatus1 said:

To us, walking from one room to another is not that big a deal.  Going from one continent to another is more difficult, but quite doable.  But for a bacteria, even conceiving of these distances is unimaginable.

I'm pretty sure that's because, unlike us, bacteria don't have brains therefore can't conceive anything.

40 minutes ago, aquatus1 said:

 Any species capable of traveling through the universe?  They will be gods to us.

Only to people who believe gods exist.

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Just now, astrobeing said:

That doesn't mean we couldn't understand it.

Really?  You are placing a great deal of faith in that lump of fat and barely cobbled together Theory of Mind we call a brain.  We can barely mentally conceive of numerical quantities higher than four digits, and you think we are anywhere near understanding the immensity of the Universe?  Just because a Game Boy is a computer doesn't mean it could run a modern day AI system.

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But we are aware of the problem.

What problem would that be?  How are we aware of a problem beyond our experience and knowledge?

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Destroy planets? Where and when did planets get destroyed??? I've only seen them destroyed on Star Trek and in the Star Wars movies!

Which is pretty much your entire concept of space.  Just a bigger ocean to explore.  That, in and of itself, is should give you a hint as to how radically, ridiculously, overwhelmingly awesomely you are underestimating the environment in outer space.

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I'm pretty sure that's because, unlike us, bacteria don't have brains therefore can't conceive anything.

Don't be elitist.  Human brains are only amazing on Earth.

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Only to people who believe gods exist.

There are no atheists in foxholes.  But the difference makes no difference.  I'm not talking about us worshipping them.  I'm talking about the power scaling between them and us.

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Here is a video that depicts, much more clearly than I ever could, just how insignificant Earth (let alone humanity) is on the Universal scale.

MIB Ending scene

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11 minutes ago, aquatus1 said:

Here is a video that depicts, much more clearly than I ever could, just how insignificant Earth (let alone humanity) is on the Universal scale.

Most in here, I'm sure, realize the incomprehensible scale of the universe. You seem to feel most don't going by your words.

Folk are allowed opinions on it without you posting vid links to backup what is already understood.

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I disagree.  I say most people pay lip service to understanding the scale of the universe.  Then they go back to thinking that Star Wars/Trek/Gate is the future of space travel.

Human have not really mentally progressed beyond thinking of space travel as anything other than a really long trip in a really fancy RV spaceship.  And logically extend that to any visitors coming here.

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1 hour ago, aquatus1 said:

I disagree.  I say most people pay lip service to understanding the scale of the universe.  Then they go back to thinking that Star Wars/Trek/Gate is the future of space travel.

Human have not really mentally progressed beyond thinking of space travel as anything other than a really long trip in a really fancy RV spaceship.  And logically extend that to any visitors coming here.

I can only assume you're replying to me?:

Most people 'in here' I said, not the general population!

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I say most people pay lip service to understanding the scale of the universe.

yeah I agree..... but as far as folk in this forum are concerned (which don't forget are those you're talking to, not the general public) === your point is what? i'm confused

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1 hour ago, aquatus1 said:

Human have not really mentally progressed beyond thinking of space travel as anything other than a really long trip in a really fancy RV spaceship.  And logically extend that to any visitors coming here.

Uh, logically?  So...we should be disinclined to limit our understanding of space navigation, or travel, to simply moving from Point A to Point B (e.g., strapped to a rocket, or ion thruster, or...), and on the same token aliens could not have visited us because they are physically required to utilize that same luddite 20th Century Earth technology that we use, and distances between Earth and any particular place are too far...let's say because aliens, whatever they are, are physically required to have the same lifespans as humans, or operate on similar biology that would crap out after 100-200 years, and we again have to assume the aliens are motoring at 40k m/s, because we know the performance of alien technology.

This is a bull**** pretzel, baked inside a lasagna of nonsense, itself stuffed into a pillow clutching lobster, wrapped in a rent-seeking pizza.

Just say "I don't know, maybe".  

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Another point, why do we all assume that aliens are more advanced than we are? What is the creation point of that idea? At some point it was decided that any alien would be far more advanced than we are to the point that professors at Harvard are pushing it. 

I get it, it is speculation and just as likely as them being less advanced as us (within reason as other posters have provided very valid reasons for). Seems the other side (not super advanced) is never really talked about much. Guess it is not as much fun since it would explain the lack of any real evidence of visitations in the past or present (once again, the bar for evidence varies by the individual).

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It's either interdimensional travel as Loeb suggests, or it's the use of worm holes, because without utilizing such a shortcut, we humans will never go anywhere,

It's a mere 4.22 light tears to our closest star, but it will take us 6,000 years to get there using current technology. Completely useless to us. 

And I do believe alien vessels have been here on Earth for a long time, so to me, such a shortcut exists. 

 

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7 hours ago, esoteric_toad said:

Another point, why do we all assume that aliens are more advanced than we are? What is the creation point of that idea? At some point it was decided that any alien would be far more advanced than we are to the point that professors at Harvard are pushing it. 

I get it, it is speculation and just as likely as them being less advanced as us (within reason as other posters have provided very valid reasons for). Seems the other side (not super advanced) is never really talked about much. Guess it is not as much fun since it would explain the lack of any real evidence of visitations in the past or present (once again, the bar for evidence varies by the individual).

the aliens being discussed would necessarily have to be far more advanced than us.

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9 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

It's either interdimensional travel as Loeb suggests, or it's the use of worm holes, because without utilizing such a shortcut, we humans will never go anywhere,

It's a mere 4.22 light tears to our closest star, but it will take us 6,000 years to get there using current technology. Completely useless to us. 

And I do believe alien vessels have been here on Earth for a long time, so to me, such a shortcut exists. 

 

Speculating in science fiction and excotic ways of space travel like in the movies can be fun...  

But the universal speed limit is a scientific fact (yes to everyone) and I dont agree with your belief that we have been visited by extraterrestrials.

The evidence for this is to weak.

Even if our galaxy is teeming with intelligent life, given the vast distance between stars... we might as well be alone.

 

According to the National Radio Astronomy Observatory (NRAO), the average distance between stars in the Milky Way galaxy is about 5 light-years, although they are more bunched up near the center of the galaxy than in the outskirts where the sun and Earth are located.

 

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The Thing (1982) – splatter och skägg | Rymdfilm

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12 minutes ago, Hazzard said:

The Thing (1982) – splatter och skägg | Rymdfilm

That actually really says it all! 

There may be wormholes, there may be other 'dimensions'.  But it seems to me that some are actually trying to prove Science Fiction StarTrek.  

Hey....        People     .....         WAKE UP!  Outer space is traversed by comets and asteroids and such.  There are Zero life forms traversing the Cosmos.  It's a freaking TV show.  There is no Warp Factor 10.  There are no humanoid intelligent species star trekking around out there.  

What has our technological advances brought us?  Near the brink of self annihilation! 

One other tidbit of UFO belief:  Everything about Star Trek was based on an invention called The Replicator.  There are no Replicators.  Everything you people think you know about Space and Intelligent Civilizations gadbatting around the stars was created and written by 40 year old Coke Heads.  You are welcome.l

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10 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

It's a mere 4.22 light tears to our closest star, but it will take us 6,000 years to get there using current technology. Completely useless to us. 

Not even close Earl.  Point taken...but the actual number is:

about 75,000 years
 
NASA's Voyager 1 spacecraft, which launched in 1977 and reached interstellar space in 2012, would take about 75,000 years to reach Alpha Centauri even if the probe were headed in the right direction, which it's not.   space.com
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15 hours ago, Dejarma said:

I can only assume you're replying to me?:

Most people 'in here' I said, not the general population!

yeah I agree..... but as far as folk in this forum are concerned (which don't forget are those you're talking to, not the general public) === your point is what? i'm confused

The reason you are confused is because you think I didn't include the people "in here".  I did. 

And yes, I include myself in there too.

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17 hours ago, aquatus1 said:

I disagree.  I say most people pay lip service to understanding the scale of the universe.  Then they go back to thinking that Star Wars/Trek/Gate is the future of space travel.

Human have not really mentally progressed beyond thinking of space travel as anything other than a really long trip in a really fancy RV spaceship.  And logically extend that to any visitors coming here.

B)           :yes:   

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15 hours ago, Cho Jinn said:

Uh, logically?  So...we should be disinclined to limit our understanding of space navigation, or travel, to simply moving from Point A to Point B (e.g., strapped to a rocket, or ion thruster, or...), and on the same token aliens could not have visited us because they are physically required to utilize that same luddite 20th Century Earth technology that we use, and distances between Earth and any particular place are too far...let's say because aliens, whatever they are, are physically required to have the same lifespans as humans, or operate on similar biology that would crap out after 100-200 years, and we again have to assume the aliens are motoring at 40k m/s, because we know the performance of alien technology.

Yes to your first sentence.  We absolutely should stop limiting our understanding of space navigation to simply moving from Point A to Point B.

No to everything else.  The whole point of this message is that aliens would not use the same luddite (I really don't get enough chances to use that word!" tech we would, but we always imagine them doing so.
 

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This is a bull**** pretzel, baked inside a lasagna of nonsense, itself stuffed into a pillow clutching lobster, wrapped in a rent-seeking pizza.

Just say "I don't know, maybe".  

 

Putting aside your delicious-sounding dismissal, the actual message is not "I don't know, maybe"; it is "We don't know and we probably can't know."

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