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What would be the consequences of UNSC unilaterally creating a "State of Palestine"?


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https://www.newsmax.com/world/globaltalk/palestinians-un/2024/04/17/id/1161422/

This decision has far-reaching consequences and it deserves a thread of its own, IMO.

I'd like to get the ideas of others about how this decision would change the M.E.

My opinion is that it would do nothing more than focus the UN's hatred toward Israel and bring potentially serious warfare to Israel and the Palestinians.  

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The US has confirmed that it will block the Palestinian effort to obtain full member status at the UN, saying the Palestinian Authority need to undergo significant reforms before it could assume statehood responsibilities. Furthermore, the US Biden administration has long opposed Palestinian efforts to unilaterally secure statehood status, arguing that the goal should be achieved via direct negotiations with Israel.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/us-confirms-it-will-block-palestinian-effort-to-obtain-full-member-status-at-un/

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The US has already said they will veto this and that a Palestinian state has to be an agreement between Israel and the Palestinians if it is to happen.

There are some positive implications you may not have thought about.

Israel would be free of responsibility for what happens to Palestinians next. otherwise they are continually criticized for their role.

It would force the Arab neighbors to put up aid to the Palestinians or shut up with their crocodile tears.  In a Palestinian state if Palestinians are starving and dying it is the Arab neighbors who would be responsible.  Arabs countries in the ME have ridden on the Palestinian's backs  as a propaganda tool to weaken Israel's power and reputation.  That would be done.  Countries like Egypt with their own financial troubles would be strapped to help Palestinians.  Saudi Arabia could, but they would all bear the responsibility for Palestinian hardship.  The shoe would be on the other foot and Israel is quite capable of using that to their advantage.

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            

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3 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

It would force the Arab neighbors to put up aid to the Palestinians or shut up with their crocodile tears.  In a Palestinian state if Palestinians are starving and dying it is the Arab neighbors who would be responsible.  Arabs countries in the ME have ridden on the Palestinian's backs  as a propaganda tool to weaken Israel's power and reputation.  That would be done.  Countries like Egypt with their own financial troubles would be strapped to help Palestinians.  Saudi Arabia could, but they would all bear the responsibility for Palestinian hardship.  The shoe would be on the other foot and Israel is quite capable of using that to their advantage.                                                                                                                                         

Perhaps. BUT — what good is all of that if the newly independent Palestinian state continues to wage war against Israel?

Unless Palestinians living in Gaza and the West Bank.are deradicalized, the new Palestinian state will be no different from the old one. Israel will still remain at risk of another October 7, or even worse. Also, in giving statehood to Palestinians, does that mean Palestinian authorities will be absolved of the decades worth of corruption, human rights abuses, and extremist ideology they've ingrained in their fellow citizens? Will Hamas (as one of Iran's little puppets) be allowed to govern? Given its rise in popularity since October 7, Hamas might very well come out on top.

None of the potential benefits you've mentioned will override Israel's security concerns and there is no way they will support a two-state solution, not now and not for a very long time.

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59 minutes ago, and-then said:

My opinion is that it would do nothing more than focus the UN's hatred toward Israel and bring potentially serious warfare to Israel and the Palestinians.  

There's no question that the UN, despite its pivotal role in the establishment of the Jewish State, is (and has been for years) hostile toward Israel. Not only is it proposing unilateral statehood for Palestine, it's doing so in the middle of a war no less. Oh please, don't get me started.

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It would force Hamas to have an election, and then show the world that yes actually the majority of Palestinians do support Hamas so they might shut up about the whole “most of them are not complicit” argument that apologists keep trying.  

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US vetoes UNSC resolution on Palestinian statehood after 12 countries vote in favor

The US follows through on its pledge to veto a Security Council resolution to grant the Palestinians full-member status at the UN.

Twelve countries voted in favor, passing the threshold of nine required to force a US veto. The countries that supported the measure were Slovenia, Sierra Leone, Russia, South Korea, Mozambique, Malta, Japan, Guyana, France, Ecuador, China and Algeria.

The UK and Switzerland abstained on the resolution.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/us-vetoes-unsc-resolution-on-palestinian-statehood-after-12-countries-vote-in-favor/

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As soon as the new state of Palestine attacked Israel with the goal of wiping them out (and they would) and Israel beat the crap out of them we would be right back where we started with half the world blaming Israel for daring to exist.

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Palestinian Authority rails at US for vetoing statehood bid at UN

The Palestinian Authority condemns the United States for vetoing a Palestinian bid for full UN membership, calling it an “aggression” that pushes the Middle East towards an “abyss.” The US policy “represents a blatant aggression against international law and an encouragement to the pursuit of the genocidal war against our people… which pushes the region ever further to the edge of the abyss.” Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’s office says in a statement.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/palestinian-authority-rails-at-us-for-vetoing-statehood-bid-at-un/

Hamas also issued a statement strongly condemning the US' veto.

My heart bleeds.

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6 hours ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

Perhaps. BUT — what good is all of that if the newly independent Palestinian state continues to wage war against Israel?

None. In this world, there is no way a Palestinian state would be turned loose to continue a war. EU and US backed idea is for a multinational force (not US) to man the border between the two states.  Hamas is not a state, and I suspect one condition of a Palestinian state is zero tolerance for harboring any terrorist organizations. The Palestinian Authority is also a has-been organization.  They can complain and protest but any progress has to happen in the world of the possible.

Worst case, a new Palestinian State declares war on Israel?  Israel will destroy their population centers  and allow the population to starve.  Status quo.

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