Dejarma Posted April 20 #1 Share Posted April 20 (edited) Drone stations every 2/3 mile spacing along the French coast= rapid response. Why let it get to this stage: find out who's supplying the blow up boats where are they being delivered to? Who's supplying the life jackets? Who's supplying the equipment to inflate them? Where are they being inflated? Any new people in town renting places to stay for a few days etc etc bloody etc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TV shows like FBI would start with the BLEEDING OBVIOUS with regards to logical/ rational investigation... Seriously== am i missing something? Edited April 20 by Dejarma 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted April 20 #2 Share Posted April 20 (edited) The authorities could stop it tomorrow if they had the will and really wanted to, problem is they're not the ones calling the shots, and they don't want to. Edited April 20 by itsnotoutthere 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted April 20 Author #3 Share Posted April 20 1 minute ago, itsnotoutthere said: The authorities could stop it tomorrow if they had the will and really wanted to, problem is they're not the ones calling the shots, and they don't want to. who's calling the shots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted April 20 #4 Share Posted April 20 1 minute ago, Dejarma said: who's calling the shots? The same people that are making it too expensive to drive your car, too expensive to fly abroad, drawing up plans to restrict your movements to a 20 mile radius of where you live. The characters, bankers, politicians, heads of state, bureaucrats etc don't attend those WEF meetings just for the crack. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted April 20 #5 Share Posted April 20 How come counties could secure their borders 30 years ago, but they can't now.....what's changed? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted April 20 Author #6 Share Posted April 20 (edited) 4 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said: The same people that are making it too expensive to drive your car, too expensive to fly abroad, drawing up plans to restrict your movements to a 20 mile radius of where you live. The characters, bankers, politicians, heads of state, bureaucrats etc don't attend those WEF meetings just for the crack. what has that got to do with Illegal Immigration? Ignoring Illegal Immigration is what as far as an advantage to those you are referring to= Please explain 😉 Edited April 20 by Dejarma 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted April 20 #7 Share Posted April 20 10 minutes ago, Dejarma said: what has that got to do with Illegal Immigration? Ignoring Illegal Immigration is what as far as an advantage to those you are referring to= Please explain 😉 https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/06/migration-immigration-refugees-worldbank/#:~:text=Over much of the world,need to rely on migration. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted April 20 #8 Share Posted April 20 14 minutes ago, Dejarma said: what has that got to do with Illegal Immigration? Ignoring Illegal Immigration is what as far as an advantage to those you are referring to= Please explain 😉 If no one has a “link” to a nation’s culture, there’s nothing stopping you from dictating what the culture should be. Let’s say the prevailing culture of a place is inherently skeptical of government, how do you move that to one that embraces governmental oversight? Bring in people who need the government to survive, let’s say refugees who are living off government stipend. They’ll assimilate to majority of the local culture- except they don’t have a problem with the government “supporting them”. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted April 20 Author #9 Share Posted April 20 16 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/06/migration-immigration-refugees-worldbank/#:~:text=Over much of the world,need to rely on migration. oh no come on man, don't reply to me with 'just a link'! read the link & tell me what YOU think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted April 20 Author #10 Share Posted April 20 21 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: If no one has a “link” to a nation’s culture, there’s nothing stopping you from dictating what the culture should be. Let’s say the prevailing culture of a place is inherently skeptical of government, how do you move that to one that embraces governmental oversight? Bring in people who need the government to survive, let’s say refugees who are living off government stipend. They’ll assimilate to majority of the local culture- except they don’t have a problem with the government “supporting them”. maybe i'm a bit thick but i can't see how the above has anything to do with what i asked in the OP- i'm confused... would you agree with what i said in the OP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted April 20 #11 Share Posted April 20 1 minute ago, Dejarma said: maybe i'm a bit thick but i can't see how the above has anything to do with what i asked in the OP- i'm confused... would you agree with what i said in the OP? I agree, there has to be a reason people in a small, easily patrolled island aren’t working harder to stop illegal immigration. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted April 20 Author #12 Share Posted April 20 2 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: I agree, there has to be a reason people in a small, easily patrolled island aren’t working harder to stop illegal immigration. it has nothing to do with working harder- what does 'working harder' mean to you in this context? i'm talking about being logical & rational with regards to investigation... not working harder.. but hey, what do i know!?!? 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted April 20 #13 Share Posted April 20 58 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said: How come counties could secure their borders 30 years ago, but they can't now.....what's changed? Lots, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted April 20 Author #14 Share Posted April 20 4 minutes ago, Tatetopa said: Lots, like what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted April 20 #15 Share Posted April 20 1 hour ago, Dejarma said: it has nothing to do with working harder- what does 'working harder' mean to you in this context? i'm talking about being logical & rational with regards to investigation... not working harder.. but hey, what do i know!?!? 😉 Working harder would in this context be “doing the sort of things you listed in your OP”. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted April 20 #16 Share Posted April 20 3 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said: How come counties could secure their borders 30 years ago, but they can't now.....what's changed? The UK lacks the stomach to implement the policies which we need to stop it. The policy needs to be absolutely no citizenship under any circumstances for any illegal immigrants. Put them in a detention camp, give them water and soup, make them work to cover the cost, and leave them there in limbo forever. Let the world know that`s what happens and they will stop immediately. When other countries kick off over it say, we will let you take them off us if you wish. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted April 20 Author #17 Share Posted April 20 14 minutes ago, Duke Wellington said: When other countries kick off over it say, we will let you take them off us if you wish. be a good caring tolerant country & get s==t on! Act like intolerant uncaring thugs & no one will want to come here! Maybe that will solve it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pellinore Posted April 20 #18 Share Posted April 20 27 minutes ago, Duke Wellington said: The UK lacks the stomach to implement the policies which we need to stop it. The policy needs to be absolutely no citizenship under any circumstances for any illegal immigrants. Put them in a detention camp, give them water and soup, make them work to cover the cost, and leave them there in limbo forever. Let the world know that`s what happens and they will stop immediately. When other countries kick off over it say, we will let you take them off us if you wish. The UK changed the policies that worked well for decades (freedom of movement, so that needed labour would be temporary and seasonal and the govt could return other nationals after 3 months if they were unemployed) to one where the UK took permanent immigrants from all around the world under a points-based-system. They also assumed sole responsibility for the UK borders. The result is that people crossing the borders illegally increased from under 300 in 2019 to 55k in 2022, and permanent legal immigration increased from 290k in 2019 to over a million in 2022. Imported goods, legal or illegal, are not checked at all. Immigration is expected to be around 400k-500k annually in coming years. So, we recently changed our policies to the ones we wanted. 'Will of the People', and all that. What I would like to know, is where do you propose to house them, and do we have enough hospitals, schools etc to accommodate them? (I'm speaking as someone who didn't vote for these changes, unlike yourself). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted April 20 Author #19 Share Posted April 20 (edited) you've lost me ^there^ @pellinore- i'm not sure what it is you're saying= what is your point? with the deepest of respect 😉 Edited April 20 by Dejarma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pellinore Posted April 20 #20 Share Posted April 20 2 minutes ago, Dejarma said: you've lost me ^there^ @pellinore- i'm not sure what it is you're saying= what is your point? with the deepest of respect 😉 Cookie was saying the UK needs to change its policies- but changing its policies has led to the problem. Perhaps he means reverting back to FOM and ending the new system? Because, with deepest respect, the problem is not the annual 55k illegals (they can be dealt with under asylum rules), it is the new annual 500k legals that the govt is hiding from you that is putting pressure on the UK's infrastructure. But you can't see that- the govt has been successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pellinore Posted April 20 #21 Share Posted April 20 (edited) 5 hours ago, Dejarma said: Drone stations every 2/3 mile spacing along the French coast= rapid response. Why let it get to this stage: find out who's supplying the blow up boats where are they being delivered to? Who's supplying the life jackets? Who's supplying the equipment to inflate them? Where are they being inflated? Any new people in town renting places to stay for a few days etc etc bloody etc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TV shows like FBI would start with the BLEEDING OBVIOUS with regards to logical/ rational investigation... Seriously== am i missing something? I'm pleased that you realize that the (Labour) plans to get at the root of the problem is more practical than dealing with it in the UK (like the Rwanda plan). Closer co-operation with the French would help too). The sooner we have a change of govt, the sooner we can deal with illegal immigration. Edited April 20 by pellinore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted April 20 #22 Share Posted April 20 6 hours ago, Dejarma said: Drone stations every 2/3 mile spacing along the French coast= rapid response. Why let it get to this stage: find out who's supplying the blow up boats where are they being delivered to? Who's supplying the life jackets? Who's supplying the equipment to inflate them? Where are they being inflated? Any new people in town renting places to stay for a few days etc etc bloody etc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TV shows like FBI would start with the BLEEDING OBVIOUS with regards to logical/ rational investigation... Seriously== am i missing something? Regarding the bold, this is a common misconception when politicians say "small boats". We're not talking about rubber dinghies. These small boats are solid vessels that carry 50-100 people easily. Then when without sight of land, they dump out the refugees and leave them for the coast guard/navy to pick up. And all the rest of the above is being done. The problem is the answer is huge international crime rings, mostly not based in the UK. And why would France go out of their way and spend a fortune to help us when we've spent most of the last decade p***ing them off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted April 20 #23 Share Posted April 20 1 hour ago, pellinore said: I'm pleased that you realize that the (Labour) plans to get at the root of the problem is more practical than dealing with it in the UK (like the Rwanda plan). Closer co-operation with the French would help too). The sooner we have a change of govt, the sooner we can deal with illegal immigration. Criticise Brexit and Tories if you want. But come on, you really cannot be that naïve to believe the Labour Party of all parties will cut immigration. Its the most pro immigrant party going, it will open the flood gates as it always has. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted April 20 #24 Share Posted April 20 5 hours ago, Dejarma said: like what? 30 years of a global internet; as a result just about everybody in every corner of the world knows what it is like all around the world. people want what other people have. Pressure from environment and the ineptitude of governments around the world causes people who want a better life but cannot organize sufficiently to change their own government or stop environmental degradation to seek a better one. The advancement of technology has put into the hands of common citizens what was once the purview of the military. Global communication and location are now within the grasp of everyman. Governments may want to control immigration, but not eliminate it. Many western countries are seeing negative population growth and want the influx of immigrants to counteract that.. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pellinore Posted April 20 #25 Share Posted April 20 1 hour ago, Duke Wellington said: Criticise Brexit and Tories if you want. But come on, you really cannot be that naïve to believe the Labour Party of all parties will cut immigration. Its the most pro immigrant party going, it will open the flood gates as it always has. It wouldn't be possible for any govt to increase immigration more than the Tories have done. They've increased people arriving in small boats from the low hundreds to tens of thousands, and permanent legal immigration from a few hundred thousand to half a million to over a million per year. How can any govt top that? And why would they want to? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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