pellinore Posted April 20 #26 Share Posted April 20 18 minutes ago, Tatetopa said: Governments may want to control immigration, but not eliminate it. Many western countries are seeing negative population growth and want the influx of immigrants to counteract that.. Exactly! Our present UK govt recognizes we need workers- legal immigration has topped 2 million since we ended freedom of movement, and industry is still short of 900,000 workers. They stopped processing asylum claims and are spending half a billion £ to send just 200 asylum seekers to Rwanda- to distract public attention from what they are actually doing, which is increasing immigration under the new points-based system. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted April 20 #27 Share Posted April 20 11 minutes ago, pellinore said: Exactly! Our present UK govt recognizes we need workers- legal immigration has topped 2 million since we ended freedom of movement, and industry is still short of 900,000 workers. They stopped processing asylum claims and are spending half a billion £ to send just 200 asylum seekers to Rwanda- to distract public attention from what they are actually doing, which is increasing immigration under the new points-based system. An additional benefit is that for this generation, newcomers are willing to work for low, entry level wages and keep costs low. Although they probably soon realize they are as smart, as talented and work just as hard as anybody else. Frankly they may have an easier time rising through society than natural born citizens who are indoctrinated to believe elites are something special. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pellinore Posted April 20 #28 Share Posted April 20 21 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said: How come counties could secure their borders 30 years ago, but they can't now.....what's changed? Demographics. People are getting older, living longer and having less children. To fuel economies, we need young workers. The UK govt knows this, but also know it is unpopular with voters. So they have swapped seasonal workers from Europe with permanent immigrants from the rest of the world and distract us with the "small boats". Every problem with the UK used to be caused by the EU- now they haven't that excuse, so they say they are caused by asylum seekers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pellinore Posted April 21 #29 Share Posted April 21 (edited) I'm not 100% sure "Taking Back Control of our Borders" was a good idea. A record 4,644 migrants have crossed the Channel in small boats in the first three months of this year, Home Office figures showed on Wednesday. The cumulative number of arrivals so far this year is 23 per cent higher than the total at this point last year, which was 3,770, and 12 per cent higher than the total at this stage in 2022, which was 4,162. Record number of migrants cross English Channel in first three months of year (archive.ph) Edited April 21 by pellinore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted April 21 Author #30 Share Posted April 21 On 4/20/2024 at 6:15 AM, pellinore said: But you can't see that- the govt has been successful. not that successful because you can see it....are you privy to data i'm not? just out of interest 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted April 21 Author #31 Share Posted April 21 4 hours ago, pellinore said: A record 4,644 migrants have crossed the Channel in small boats in the first three months of this year, Home Office figures showed on Wednesday. interesting... How many small boats were involved? Were any stopped before crossing? I've so many questions but are unable to find answers, like: would the smuggler be the one driving the boat? If so does he drive the boat back to France, or does he get off with the rest? How does the Gov know 4,644 migrants have crossed in the first three months of this year? Do they walk up the beach waving their arms shouting yoohoo we're here!? Are these stupid questions? Maybe there are things I should know but don't- oh well, I do my best 🤷♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pellinore Posted April 21 #32 Share Posted April 21 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Dejarma said: interesting... How many small boats were involved? Were any stopped before crossing? I've so many questions but are unable to find answers, like: would the smuggler be the one driving the boat? If so does he drive the boat back to France, or does he get off with the rest? How does the Gov know 4,644 migrants have crossed in the first three months of this year? Do they walk up the beach waving their arms shouting yoohoo we're here!? Are these stupid questions? Maybe there are things I should know but don't- oh well, I do my best 🤷♂️ getting stats...changed my mind. It's pointless. These aren't serious questions, and you know it. Edited April 21 by pellinore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pellinore Posted April 21 #33 Share Posted April 21 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Dejarma said: not that successful because you can see it....are you privy to data i'm not? just out of interest 😉 If you saw the data your thread would be headed "Stopping Legal Immigrants". In 2022, long-term immigration into the UK was an estimated 1.2 million. This is an estimated increase of 221,000 compared with 2021 (942,000) Long-term international migration, provisional - Office for National Statistics (ons.gov.uk) Edited April 21 by pellinore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pellinore Posted April 21 #34 Share Posted April 21 11 minutes ago, Dejarma said: Are these stupid questions? Maybe there are things I should know but don't- oh well, I do my best 🤷♂️ You know they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted April 21 Author #35 Share Posted April 21 4 minutes ago, pellinore said: If you saw the data your thread would be headed "Stopping Legal Immigrants". You're confusing me,, this thread is about stopping illegal immigration via boats & hopefully avoiding death for those who don't make it! I can't see anywhere in the link you kindly provided (data I've already seen) that answers the questions I've put forward. Thanks for your time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted April 21 Author #36 Share Posted April 21 (edited) 9 minutes ago, pellinore said: You know they are. ok, so why are they stupid questions? can you answer any of them? show me why they are stupid- do you actually know? pray tell Edited April 21 by Dejarma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted April 21 Author #37 Share Posted April 21 (edited) On 4/20/2024 at 8:12 AM, Setton said: And all the rest of the above is being done. how do you know this? I can't find any data regarding in depth official documentation/ documentaries etc on the questions I've asked. I take it you have so please link it, I'd like to read it- Thanks. Quote We're not talking about rubber dinghies. These small boats are solid vessels that carry 50-100 people easily. yeah, we're not- i think most people know that 😉 Edited April 21 by Dejarma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted April 21 #38 Share Posted April 21 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Dejarma said: how do you know this? I can't find any data regarding in depth official documentation/ documentaries etc on the questions I've asked. I take it you have so please link it, I'd like to read it- Thanks. Here's a starting point: https://homeofficemedia.blog.gov.uk/2024/01/02/uk-government-action-in-2023-to-stop-the-boats/ Otherwise, take a look at some of the NCA's published press releases about their investigations. Quote yeah, we're not- i think most people know that 😉 I'm confused then - why are you talking about inflating boats? Edited April 21 by Setton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted April 21 Author #39 Share Posted April 21 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Setton said: I'm confused then - why are you talking about inflating boats? of course many are coming over in large solid boats- most know when referring to 'small inflatables' they are not small! the vast majority seem to be coming over in large inflatable boats. so the question still stands. Edited April 21 by Dejarma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted April 21 Author #40 Share Posted April 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, Setton said: Here's a starting point: https://homeofficemedia.blog.gov.uk/2024/01/02/uk-government-action-in-2023-to-stop-the-boats/ Otherwise, take a look at some of the NCA's published press releases about their investigations. I'm confused then - why are you talking about inflating boats? thanks for the link. Yep read this many times but this doesn't stop those who've got through the net. Quote from article: Quote SBOC - Created a new Small Boats Operational Command with more than 500 new staff to tackle illegal migration by small boats. Small-boat crossing are down by 36% compared to 2022 and in recent months crossings have fallen even more sharply by 45% in the second half of the year compared to the same quarter in 2022. https://news.sky.com/story/record-number-of-migrants-cross-english-channel-so-far-this-year-13102663#:~:text=A record number of migrants,in seven boats on Tuesday. The SBOC is not working very well it seems... Or according to you maybe they should be called LBOC: 'Large Boats Operational Command' 😉 The logical thing surely is drones along the French coast? Would be cheaper & more efficient, stop them before they cross. Or are they doing this already?.. Who knows??, just suggesting Edited April 21 by Dejarma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted April 21 Author #41 Share Posted April 21 On 4/20/2024 at 9:30 AM, pellinore said: Exactly! Our present UK govt recognizes we need workers- legal immigration has topped 2 million since we ended freedom of movement, and industry is still short of 900,000 workers. Off topic because this is referring to legal immigrants but I feel compelled to respond: industry wouldn't be in need of immigrant workers if they paid better wages!!! One pound here can be worth up to nine times as much in eastern Europe! So low wages isn't a problem for them. I've been involved with these people (for reasons I wont go into), very nice people though they are but it does get a little annoying when they say things like: can't wait to get home & buy ANOTHER house!' This is FACT .... Of course not all of them but it is what it is! Great if us Brits could work in Sweden on four times the amount of money doing the same job- but we can't! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pellinore Posted April 21 #42 Share Posted April 21 4 hours ago, Dejarma said: Industry wouldn't be in need of immigrant workers if they paid better wages!!! One pound here can be worth up to nine times as much in eastern Europe! So low wages isn't a problem for them. I've been involved with these people (for reasons I wont go into), very nice people though they are but it does get a little annoying when they say things like: can't wait to get home & buy ANOTHER house!' This is FACT .... Of course not all of them but it is what it is! Great if us Brits could work in Sweden on four times the amount of money doing the same job- but we can't! So you want immigrant workers to be paid better wages, but not allowed to buy more than one house? And your justification for your dislike of them being able to buy houses is because us Brits can't do the same by working in Sweden? So you are advocating absolutely rigid control over how much people earn in Europe and what they spend it on, so we are all equal? Sounds like you would be happier in Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted April 21 Author #43 Share Posted April 21 11 minutes ago, pellinore said: So you want immigrant workers to be paid better wages how you came to that conclusion after reading what I said I don't know mate! Industry, construction etc should offer better pay making it worth while for those out of work who LIVE HERE! Wouldn't need so many 'skilled' migrant workers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essan Posted April 21 #44 Share Posted April 21 The only way to stop illegal immigrants is to give them no reason to want to move to a different country where they can make more money and have a better life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essan Posted April 21 #45 Share Posted April 21 Or make it easier for them to come here, to do the jobs we need them for, legally. (bearing in mind 20% of the UK workforce are too anxious or depressed to do a job) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted April 21 Author #46 Share Posted April 21 19 minutes ago, Essan said: bearing in mind 20% of the UK workforce are too anxious or depressed to do a job and how many of that 20% are people now living here from other countries in the last 2/5 years let's say- do you know off hand? Or do you feel this 20% is referring to the indigenous & those who have settled here over a few generations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essan Posted April 21 #47 Share Posted April 21 14 minutes ago, Dejarma said: and how many of that 20% are people now living here from other countries in the last 2/5 years let's say- do you know off lo hand? Or do you feel this 20% is referring to the indigenous & those who have settled here over a few generations? Quite obviously most of them must have been born in this country. Do you have evidence to the contrary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted April 21 Author #48 Share Posted April 21 3 minutes ago, Essan said: Quite obviously most of them must have been born in this country. why is it quite obvious? what made you say that? do you know something i don't?- pray tell Quote Do you have evidence to the contrary? no, just asking a question that i don't know the answer to- you seemed positive with your reply so i thought you might know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essan Posted April 21 #49 Share Posted April 21 How many recent immigrants into the UK who are registered as not being able to work due to illness or other capacities do you think there are? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52660591 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted April 21 Author #50 Share Posted April 21 4 minutes ago, Essan said: How many recent immigrants into the UK who are registered as not being able to work due to illness or other capacities do you think there are? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52660591 is the answer to this in the link? i can't see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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