USA illegal migrant problem.

[Dejarma]

I put this forward in a relevant UK thread:

Why do so many people from Mexico etc want to get to North America?
Would the main reason be the cartels?

Why hasn't The USA (with the help of other Allied countries if necessary) steamed in, in force & wiped these fekers out? WHY?

No cartels, no massive migrant problem??? I don't know, what do you think?

[Edumakated]

37 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

I put this forward in a relevant UK thread:

Why do so many people from Mexico etc want to get to North America?
Would the main reason be the cartels?

Why hasn't The USA (with the help of other Allied countries if necessary) steamed in, in force & wiped these fekers out? WHY?

No cartels, no massive migrant problem??? I don't know, what do you think?

Because the standard of living in the US is the highest in the world even if you are an illegal migrant.  In the US, the poor live better than the upper class in most countries.  So to come to America and get a job that pays minimum wage is better than living in their home country.

[Myles]

42 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

I put this forward in a relevant UK thread:

Why do so many people from Mexico etc want to get to North America?
Would the main reason be the cartels?

Why hasn't The USA (with the help of other Allied countries if necessary) steamed in, in force & wiped these fekers out? WHY?

No cartels, no massive migrant problem??? I don't know, what do you think?

They are afraid of being labeled racist.

[Dejarma]

3 minutes ago, Edumakated said:

Because the standard of living in the US is the highest in the world even if you are an illegal migrant.  In the US, the poor live better than the upper class in most countries.  So to come to America and get a job that pays minimum wage is better than living in their home country.

all due respect but IMO you're stating the bleeding obvious.. The question is why:

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get a job that pays minimum wage is better than living in their home country.

Are the cartels the problem? I don't know, I'm interested in what normal folk (as in not politicians & media) think 😉

 

 

[Dejarma]

7 minutes ago, Myles said:

They are afraid of being labeled racist.

nope, you've lost me there

[Dejarma]

15 minutes ago, Edumakated said:

So to come to America and get a job that pays minimum wage is better than living in their home country.

:

what product/ produce can I use as an example here, I don't know- let's use bread:

how much is a basic loaf of bread in Mexico compared to the USA?

[Edumakated]

5 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

all due respect but IMO you're stating the bleeding obvious.. The question is why:

Are the cartels the problem? I don't know, I'm interested in what normal folk (as in not politicians & media) think 😉

 

 

What do you mean why?  Cartels don't have anything to do with it.  People want to come to the US for a better life.  Their home countries are shizholes.  It isn't much more complicated that that.  People are seeking an opportunity for a better life.

The cartels simply see a money making opportunity to smuggle drugs or act as coyotes because they know people are crossing the border.  The US has always had a immigration problem going back 150 years.

[Dejarma]

3 minutes ago, Edumakated said:

Their home countries are shizholes

yeah, so why are they ??

[Edumakated]

4 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

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what product/ produce can I use as an example here, I don't know- let's use bread:

how much is a basic loaf of bread in Mexico compared to the USA?

It is much broader than that...

The US standard of living is very high even for the poor.  The US doesn't really have "favelas".   Even in our ghettos, people have public schools, running water, air conditioning, cars, food, clothing, electricity, solid housing, refrigeration, etc.   Heck the poor today live better than the wealthy did 30 or 40 years ago in terms of standard of living.

Compared to the second and third world countries, the US does not really have "poor" when you look at actual standards of living.  To be poor in the US means you have a 5 year old iphone.  

People don't understand real poverty until they go outside of the US.  So people in those countries want to come to the US as they can appreciate what we have here and the opportunities.

[Edumakated]

4 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

yeah, so why are they ??

Culture and political systems largely.

[+susieice]

The cost of living

Cost of Living in Mexico: prices in 144 cities compared (livingcost.org)

Average yearly income 

What’s the average salary in Mexico in 2024 ? (timedoctor.com)

No government control over cartels

Mexican president claims that criminal groups are 'respectful' and 'respect the citizenry' | AP News

Mexico's outlook for 2024

Mexico Country Outlook 2024 | Baker Institute

 

[Dejarma]

21 minutes ago, Edumakated said:

Culture and political systems largely.

Culture? Please excuse my ignorance here- not sure what you mean by that but from what I can see the political system in south America is very corrupt- would this be due to cartel influence?

[Gromdor]

57 minutes ago, Edumakated said:

Because the standard of living in the US is the highest in the world even if you are an illegal migrant.  In the US, the poor live better than the upper class in most countries.  So to come to America and get a job that pays minimum wage is better than living in their home country.

Having lived in multiple countries throughout my life, I would have to say this is untrue.  The upper class in most countries live like the upperclass here in America.  

[Gromdor]

I would say it is the opportunity and pay.  Illegals here have no problems finding employment and the money they can send back to relatives at home.  Especially now with our low unemployment rates.  

[Dejarma]

2 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

I would say it is the opportunity and pay.  Illegals here have no problems finding employment and the money they can send back to relatives at home.  Especially now with our low unemployment rates.  

yeah but why? Do you feel if the cartels were eradicated now, in 10/20 years time the USA would have less people trying to get in?

I'm in the UK & find it interesting to talk about a subject I'm not really up on- I just look at it from the human aspect

[Gromdor]

1 minute ago, Dejarma said:

yeah but why? Do you feel if the cartels were eradicated now, in 10/20 years time the USA would have less people trying to get in?

I'm in the UK & find it interesting to talk about a subject I'm not really up on- I just look at it from the human aspect

No.  It's not the cartels bringing them here.  It US employers, actually.  Here's something that happened in my state: Postville raid - Wikipedia

Are the immigrants to the UK caused by cartels?

 

[Dejarma]

10 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Are the immigrants to the UK caused by cartels?

err yeah, as in people want to kill them!! Allegedly?

Edited April 27, 2024 by Dejarma

[Gromdor]

21 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

err yeah, as in people want to kill them!! Allegedly?

Oh.. Your title mislead me.  Illegals come here for the money and opportunity.  The other migrants that are fleeing cartels, famine, war, gangs, etc. are asylum seekers and are legal according to our laws. 

[Myles]

1 hour ago, Dejarma said:

nope, you've lost me there

Whenever the illegal immigration is fought it is labeled "racist" by the Democrats.  

[Myles]

2 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Oh.. Your title mislead me.  Illegals come here for the money and opportunity.  The other migrants that are fleeing cartels, famine, war, gangs, etc. are asylum seekers and are legal according to our laws. 

Only if they go through the correct way, which many do not.

[Dejarma]

3 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Oh.. Your title mislead me.  Illegals come here for the money and opportunity.  The other migrants that are fleeing cartels, famine, war, gangs, etc. are asylum seekers and are legal according to our laws. 

in the UK it's both!! Illegals come here for the money and opportunity AND Illegals get to our shores & claim asylum

[Dejarma]

22 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Oh.. Your title mislead me.  Illegals come here for the money and opportunity.  The other migrants that are fleeing cartels, famine, war, gangs, etc. are asylum seekers and are legal according to our laws. 

on reading this back I'm now confused! How do the US authorities work out the difference?
Are there some who when court crossing actually tell the authorities I'm here for money and opportunity & are then classed as illegal?
Enlighten me, please 😉

[Gromdor]

5 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

on reading this back I'm now confused! How do the US authorities work out the difference?
Are there some who when court crossing actually tell the authorities I'm here for money and opportunity & are then classed as illegal?
Enlighten me, please 😉

Illegals just come into the country either by flying in on an airplane and overstaying their visas or sneaking across the border.  They don't present themselves to court or the authorities.  

Asylum seekers come to the US, surrender themselves to our border patrol, and then file for asylum.  (Because our politicians in the past decided that to file for asylum you had to be on US soil and embassies don't count thus tabulating it into law.)

Edit to add: I guess I can give you some examples- for instance the immigrants that Trump employed came for work, never applied for asylum, and never revealed themselves to the courts or border patrol- those would be illegals.

The ones in the media that crowd our port of entries and wait under the overpass are asylum seekers.

Edited April 27, 2024 by Gromdor

[Dejarma]

3 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

 Asylum seekers come to the US, surrender themselves to our border patrol, and then file for asylum.  (Because our politicians in the past decided that to file for asylum you had to be on US soil and embassies don't count thus tabulating it into law.)

so anyone can legally get onto US soil & claim asylum, that's ok? then what's the point of a border?

[Tatetopa]

Keep your pet peeves on the shelf for a moment and use logic.  Money.

Before drug cartels were even a thing, we had migrants coming up from Mexico and working the agricultural harvests in the Pacific Northwest after the earlier season in California.

In my area, strawberries and raspberries were two of the big crops. Teenagers like me would go out and pick berries for a few weeks to earn extra money for school. Back then, you could pick from age 14.  A kid like me could earn $15-20 on a good day plus getting to eat  handfuls of the best strawberries ever.  Hard, dirty, and hot work, but that was about $2.50 an hour, not bad in 1970. Besides teenagers, the two biggest groups were Mexican migrants and what we used to call winos. Today, I suppose they are called homeless. Some  farmers even had old school buses to drive downtown and pick up winos on Skid Road street corners and take them back at night. (Skid Road is a logging term BTW). Some of them were fast pickers, but the migrants were focused and warp speed. We got paid by the flat so the more you pick, the more you made.  It was safer for us kids to work closer to migrants than winos.  A migrant family of wife, husband and a child or two could make $100 a day, big money for the time.  Farmers preferred the migrants because they were far more efficient for getting the crop to market.

When strawberries were done, it was on to raspberries, cucumbers and the fall fruit tree harvests. Then back to Mexico. The border has never been entirely open, but there were work visas that lasted for   6-12  months or so.  I think a lot of people went home after the harvests to be with family, maybe some stayed.

Simpler times, 50 years ago, but the reason is still the same, money  Make a few thousand dollars and go home where that might help someone buy their own house or farm and last the rest of the year..