College campuses are in chaos with arrests being made all over the US

[+susieice]

This is a long list of colleges and police involvement that happened today.

College protests live updates: Talks fail to end protest at Columbia (usatoday.com)

This is a long list from yesterday. Graduation ceremonies have been cancelled and Commencement speakers have also cancelled.

April 28, 2024 - US university protests (cnn.com)

[+susieice]

Most articles are lists of campuses in different states. Hundreds of arrests have been made.

College protests updates: Police crackdown leads to hundreds of arrests (msn.com)

Arrests roil campuses nationwide ahead of graduation as protesters demand Israel ties be cut (msn.com)

[Duke Wellington]

3 minutes ago, susieice said:

This is a long list of colleges and police involvement that happened today.

College protests live updates: Talks fail to end protest at Columbia (usatoday.com)

This is a long list from yesterday. Graduation ceremonies have been cancelled and Commencement speakers have also cancelled.

April 28, 2024 - US university protests (cnn.com)

I have to admit I am surprised at the level of anti-Semitism going on.

Its never gone following WW2, its bubbling below the surface.

[+susieice]

Columbia and Cornell have begun suspending students.

Live updates: Pro-Palestinian university protests disrupt Columbia, UCLA, campuses across the US (cnn.com)

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

Good. 
You’re there to do two things - learn and act in such a way that you do not stop someone else from learning. 
If you’re failing (intentionally) to do either you should be shown the door, and if in the process you’re threatening others the people showing you the door should be the police.

[+susieice]

The students say they aren't anti-Semitic and some of their Israeli co-students seem to agree the protests are over Israel's war on the people of Gaza. There has been real anti-Semitic incidents taking place.

Pro-Palestinian student protesters denounce antisemitism amid criticism (msn.com)

At Cal Poly Tech, administrators say that "hateful graffiti" has been painted on university property, but did not elaborate in their statement on what the graffiti entailed.

"The University condemns in the strongest terms all forms of hatred, bigotry, and violence," the school's April 24 statement read. "Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, hatred, and bigotry in all forms have no place at Cal Poly Humboldt. The University is actively offering support to all students and has been in touch with local Jewish community leaders.

Jewish Group Applauds Pro-Palestinian Campus Protesters (msn.com)

JVP, which describes itself as the largest progressive Jewish anti-Zionist organization in the world, voiced support for the campus demonstrations in comments to Newsweek.

"We applaud the courage and determination of students all over the country who are peacefully protesting for an end to U.S. support to the Israeli military and calling on their own universities to divest from the Israeli military," JVP's executive director Stefanie Fox said in an email.

Fox said that "countless Jewish students" are part of the protests. "It is not antisemitic to protest the actions of the Israeli government which is waging a genocidal campaign on Gaza," she said.

[Hawken]

I bet most of those students don't fully understand what they're protesting. They just jump on the bandwagon

like it's some new fad like a new hairstyle or the latest footwear. 

[Hankenhunter]

So much for the tolerant right. Has anyone checked out how much money universities have invested in Israel? 

While the amount of money universities invest in such companies is largely unknown, a database from the U.S. Department of Education shows that American colleges and universities reported about $342 million in gifts and contracts from Israel from 2014-2024.4 hours ago

 

https://prismreports.org › 2024/04/29

I'm thinking it's a lot more than than reported. Pressure is being applied by wealthy Jewish donors to stop the protests or risk losing funding.

Many students across the U.S. are demanding their universities cut financial ties with Israel over the large-scale operation in Gaza.

Montreal Gazzette

Edited April 30 by Hankenhunter

[Tatetopa]

32 minutes ago, Hawken said:

I bet most of those students don't fully understand what they're protesting. They just jump on the bandwagon

like it's some new fad like a new hairstyle or the latest footwear. 

Like democrats and MAGA Republicans who don't want to think for themselves, but only become part of a popular movement.  Our kids are growing up and modeling us.

[Hankenhunter]

35 minutes ago, Hawken said:

I bet most of those students don't fully understand what they're protesting. They just jump on the bandwagon

like it's some new fad like a new hairstyle or the latest footwear. 

You'd lose that bet.

[Tatetopa]

42 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Good. 
You’re there to do two things - learn and act in such a way that you do not stop someone else from learning. 
If you’re failing (intentionally) to do either you should be shown the door, and if in the process you’re threatening others the people showing you the door should be the police.

Fantastic, you have laid down the rules for how young people are supposed to become discerning adults.  Shut up and listen to your betters. Works so well in China and Russia those paragons of freedom and innovation.

[Duke Wellington]

7 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Like democrats and MAGA Republicans who don't want to think for themselves, but only become part of a popular movement.  Our kids are growing up and modeling us.

As a graduate I look at people and wonder, where are your critical thinking skills?

I mean, what the hell has been going on in the USA over the last decade. Is it something in their water? The people literally have no thoughts of their own, are told what to belief, they follow it and all questioning is turned off.

Its so weak.

Edited April 30 by Duke Wellington

[Kittens Are Jerks]

4 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Fantastic, you have laid down the rules for how young people are supposed to become discerning adults.  Shut up and listen to your betters. Works so well in China and Russia those paragons of freedom and innovation.

Whilst I agree that students have every right to campaign about major political and other issues that will shape their lives and the lives of future generations, many of these campus protests really crossed a line.

As one professor at Columbia described them:

Where Vietnam-era boomers see the reflection of 1968 in today’s protests, I see the shadows of 1938.

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-799057

[+Link of Hyrule]

1 hour ago, Hawken said:

I bet most of those students don't fully understand what they're protesting. They just jump on the bandwagon

like it's some new fad like a new hairstyle or the latest footwear. 

 

Quote

 

https://nypost.com/2024/04/27/us-news/gen-z-doesnt-know-why-theyre-protesting-for-palestine/

My generation doesn’t know why the heck they’re protesting for Palestine

Do the Gen Z pro-Palestine protesters even know what they’re screaming, yelling, and encamping about? Definitely not.

A Columbia University student who rushed down to NYU’s campus in solidarity with protesters there said on camera that she actually had no idea what they were protesting, eventually admitting she needed to be “more educated” on the issue....

...When I was at Columbia during this week’s protests, I saw signs like “dykes 4 divest,” “gays for Gaza,” and “lesbians for liberation.”

These are Ivy League students with they/he pronouns, and yet they are woefully unaware of the fact that merely being gay in Gaza can amount to ten years’ prison time, according to Human Rights Watch.

 

There are, unfortunately, many willing to go down that road.

[Hawken]

56 minutes ago, Hankenhunter said:

You'd lose that bet.

Read the link in Post #14. 

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

1 hour ago, Tatetopa said:

Fantastic, you have laid down the rules for how young people are supposed to become discerning adults.  Shut up and listen to your betters. Works so well in China and Russia those paragons of freedom and innovation.

Check the verb I used - learn. What the hell else are “institutes of higher learning” bloody meant for other than “learning”? 

Edited April 30 by Sir Wearer of Hats

[Hankenhunter]

1 hour ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Check the verb I used - learn. What the hell else are “institutes of higher learning” bloody meant for other than “learning”? 

Political Science says hi.

[qxcontinuum]

The antisemitism is exactly as the Bible says it will be at the end of times and a lot of the events unfolding now remind me of the book of revelation.

Edited April 30 by qxcontinuum

[Duke Wellington]

7 minutes ago, qxcontinuum said:

The antisemitism is exactly as the Bible says it will be at the end of times and a lot of the events unfolding now remind me of the book of revelation.

We`re on the last Pope too and he is quite old.

[Antigonos]

48 minutes ago, Duke Wellington said:

We`re on the last Pope too and he is quite old.

The man whose name your posting under wasn’t a fan of the Jewish people.

Are you trolling or is it more of your historical ignorance manifesting again?

Edited April 30 by Antigonos

[Alpha_Q]

I can't believe how much these protests annoy the hell out of me. I went to Uni the first time in 1995 and the little protests and calls for action back then annoyed me. I went back to Uni in 2004 and the booths and displays and little girls handing out pamphlets and brochures and BS from/for both sides at that time annoyed me even more. 

These two groups hate each other and have hated each other for a millenia. They will always hate each other, and it p***es me off that they have to spread their **** all over the world. Both sides are wrong. If you support Israel's actions, you're wrong. If you support Hamas's actions, you're wrong.

Israel will sue for peace and continue taking over homes and villages and will keep holding Palestine down. Hamas will sue for peace until they feel they've re-armed sufficiently.

If you're not part of either of these groups and you're protesting in support of one or the other,  you're wasting your time.

[+susieice]

It isn't believed at the moment that most of the people arrested at University of Texas-Austin have any affiliation with the college.

(13) Most of the UT-Austin protesters arrested are not believed to be affiliated with the university, school says (cnn.com)

[+susieice]

This is a map of the campuses where arrests have been made.

Map: Where university protesters have been arrested across the US | CNN

[Tatetopa]

3 hours ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

Whilst I agree that students have every right to campaign about major political and other issues that will shape their lives and the lives of future generations, many of these campus protests really crossed a line.

As one professor at Columbia described them:

Where Vietnam-era boomers see the reflection of 1968 in today’s protests, I see the shadows of 1938.

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-799057

There were indeed Nazi sympathizers and protesters in the US prior to WWII.

I think there are Israelis and Jews worldwide who do not agree with Netanyahu.  You don't have to be anti-Semitic to want to stop  the killing of civilian women and children.

So far these kids have mostly camped on campus.  They haver not burned buildings, looted Target stores, or thrown bricks and soup cans at police.  Neither have they invaded the Capitol, disrupted Congress or stolen objects.

As an American, I can say I love my country and am proud of it for the most part, but I do not like what happened in Iraq or Afghanistan. One can hold both those beliefs without conflict.  Likewise for Israel and its behavior.  Even many soldiers have said that they have gone too far.

The people leading the wars of conquest and destruction are mostly grandpa age. Younger people are standing up to them in a rather peaceful way.  The Age of Aggression has to end.  that includes Israel as well as Iran and other nations.  

 

[Tatetopa]

3 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Check the verb I used - learn. What the hell else are “institutes of higher learning” bloody meant for other than “learning”? 

How do you learn? Only in classroom lectures?  I would say that this is a pretty big learning experience in social dynamics.  Regards.