College campuses are in chaos with arrests being made all over the US

[Doug1066]

17 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

Critics pan Biden plan to bring Gaza refugees into US: 'Terrorists entering our homeland'?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/critics-pan-biden-plan-bring-gaza-refugees-us-terrorists-our-homeland

A few terrorists will probably get included, but most are just people trying to escape Israel's genocide.

Doug

[Doug1066]

The title of this thread is misleading.  We had a demo here at OSU - no arrests.  The police watched from a respectful distance.

Doug

[+Hammerclaw]

2 hours ago, Doug1066 said:

88 hours to go to retirement and 8 of those will be annual leave.  I will be going off line for awhile once that happens.  Been nice talking to you.

You are forgetting that these are mostly Freshmen and Sophomores - 18 and 19 year-olds are not all that mature, anyway.  They haven't figured out that if they spend their time partying and "demonstrating" they are going to flunk out.  About 30% of last fall's incoming Freshmen have already flunked out.  The military prefers to induct children because they are more malleable.  A 22-year-old is more likely to tell the captain if he wants that hill, he can take it himself.  Youth cuts both directions.

These are the covid generation.  They missed a year's schooling and socializing.  They came to college a year behind where they should be academically.  They have been watching Trump get his way by bullying people and they are now applying what he taught them.

These are the Nintendo generation.  They have spent their time playing computer games and now have few manipulative, spatial or organizing skills.  Manipulative and spatial skills are what saved the Apollo 13 crew.  I wonder if this current generation will be up to that sort of thing.  Manipulative/spatial skills correlate with mathematics ability.  This generation's future in STEM subjects looks bleak.

These are the cell phone generation.  They learned to interact with others on a cell phone.  They have never learned to read expressions.  As a result, their negotiation skills are abysmal.

Doug

Yeah, college has become mostly nothing more than four more years of high school, where such things as snap courses in new ways of making bay berry candles are supposed to be the ticket to the good life. They think just any old degree will get them a good paying job. I watched a young woman on a tik tok video crying because she can't get a job after graduating with a degree in theater and the performing arts. She can't get a job in that field because she didn't do an internship while in college and came out of college never having learned any marketable job skills. Young fools, for sure, so what? Choosing to break the law as a form of protest doesn't absolve them from the responsibility of paying for their crimes. They're not cute, precious and special, simply because they're young. Actions without consequences will teach them no lessons. When they get placed in the back of a police cruiser or bus, they're not being taken to juvenile hall, now.

Edited May 9 by Hammerclaw

[+susieice]

2 hours ago, Doug1066 said:

How many of those Yemei universities are credited in the US?  People who accept this offer may never be able to practice in the US.  Is permanent exile what they want?  Will they be as welcome in Yemen as Palestinians are in the US?

Doug

Nope. They'll end up like the hostages when they are no longer useful tools.

[Doug1066]

2 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Yeah, college has become mostly nothing more than four more years of high school, where such things as snap courses in new ways of making bay berry candles are a ticket to the good life. They think just any old degree will get them a good paying job. I watched a young woman on tik tok video crying because she can't get a job after graduating with a degree in theater and the performing arts. She can't get a job in that field because she didn't do an internship while in college and came out of college never having learned any marketable job skills. Young fools, for sure, so what? Choosing to break the law as a form of protest doesn't absolve them from the responsibility of paying for their crimes. They're not cute, precious and special, simply because they're young. Actions without consequences will teach them no lessons. When they get placed in the back of a police cruiser or bus, they're not being taken to juvenile hall, now.

The students on campus have a legal right to be there.  The university grants them that right when they enroll (Non-students do not have this right and can be arrested for trespassing.).  The university, at least theoretically, has the right to expel a student for social misconduct; though the definition of social misconduct has evolved over the years.  There are a number of lawsuits pending over this issue; we'll have to wait and see what the courts say.

Doug

[Doug1066]

2 minutes ago, susieice said:

Nope. They'll end up like the hostages when they are no longer useful tools.

Wouldn't surprise me.

Doug

[Zebra3]

This stupidity is incredible.

‘Princeton Princess’ whines that she’s ‘starving,’ blames university after choosing to go on anti-Israel hunger strike

“This is absolutely unfair. My peers and I, we are starving. We are physically exhausted. I am quite literally shaking right now as you can see,” the protester says into the megaphone in a widely shared video on X.

Idiots.

[+Hammerclaw]

13 minutes ago, Doug1066 said:

The students on campus have a legal right to be there.  The university grants them that right when they enroll (Non-students do not have this right and can be arrested for trespassing.).  The university, at least theoretically, has the right to expel a student for social misconduct; though the definition of social misconduct has evolved over the years.  There are a number of lawsuits pending over this issue; we'll have to wait and see what the courts say.

Doug

No student has the right to break the law on or off campus, nor does a student have the right to break University rules or regulations. They certainly have no right to vandalize university property or disrupt the campus life and educational pursuits of other students. They have no right to express racial intolerance or threaten the wellbeing of any ethnicity. 

[+susieice]

15 minutes ago, Zebra3 said:

This stupidity is incredible.

‘Princeton Princess’ whines that she’s ‘starving,’ blames university after choosing to go on anti-Israel hunger strike

“This is absolutely unfair. My peers and I, we are starving. We are physically exhausted. I am quite literally shaking right now as you can see,” the protester says into the megaphone in a widely shared video on X.

Idiots.

She's starving to death in how long? Does the dingbat know she's a lot better off than the hostages or does she even care. 

[Doug1066]

2 minutes ago, Zebra3 said:

This stupidity is incredible.

‘Princeton Princess’ whines that she’s ‘starving,’ blames university after choosing to go on anti-Israel hunger strike

“This is absolutely unfair. My peers and I, we are starving. We are physically exhausted. I am quite literally shaking right now as you can see,” the protester says into the megaphone in a widely shared video on X.

Idiots.

We had 5000 new enrollees last fall.  That number is down to 3500 as of today (Graduation is Saturday.).  What happened to the other 1500?  They flunked out.  They came to college not ready to do college work.  They were students for 12 years, but neither their teachers nor their parents felt inclined to teach them how to study.  These are intelligent kids, most could do Ph.D. level work if they knew how.  We have three staff under DEI trying to teach them how to study, etc., but now our governor has defunded even that program.

Every year we have students get into trouble with alcohol and other drugs.  Their parents have never taught them how to drink responsibly.  Or how to behave when drunk.  So they get arrested for public intoxication, drunk and disorderly, killing the campus' pet goose that lived at Theta Pond, etc.  And those same three staff have to get up in the middle of the night and go rescue them, post bail, etc.  They think drinking is a sign of being "grown up."

Anti-drug programs now are no better than they were in the 60s.  The chief tool is a scare-em-to-death film about the evils of marijuana (with ten dispensaries in town).  Most kids have already tried marijuana and know that the film is dead wrong in most of its claims; thus, they assume that warnings about other drugs are equally false, when they aren't.  And our DEI folks have to contend with those well-intentioned, but badly executed films, too.

In college, students get thrown into a social setting with lots of members of the opposite sex and little to no sex education.  So a lot of them get pregnant.

Studying, drinking and sex should be taught at home, but parents are negligent in these areas.  So the schools get stuck with the job.  And they are so badly underfunded they can't even teach basic English literacy and math.  So the student enrolls at a state university (which has tha accept him/her) and then flunks out.

Do you see a problem here?

Doug

 

[WVK]

19 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Yeah, college has become mostly nothing more than four more years of high school, where such things as snap courses in new ways of making bay berry candles are a ticket to the good life. They think just any old degree will get them a good paying job. I watched a young woman on tik tok video crying because she can't get a job after graduating with a degree in theater and the performing arts. She can't get a job in that field because she didn't do an internship while in college and came out of college never having learned any marketable job skills. Young fools, for sure, so what? Choosing to break the law as a form of protest doesn't absolve them from the responsibility of paying for their crimes. They're not cute, precious and special, simply because they're young. Actions without consequences will teach them no lessons. When they get placed in the back of a police cruiser or bus, they're not being taken to juvenile hall, now.

Who’s advising these young fools? High school guidance counselors should be advising against wasting time and money on useless degrees.  Same for college academic advisors but i guess it their in on the scam.

[Doug1066]

3 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

No student has the right to break the law on or off campus, nor does a student have the right to break University rules or regulations. They certainly have no right to vandalize university property or disrupt the campus life and educational pursuits of other students. They have no right to express racial intolerance or threaten the wellbeing of any ethnicity. 

And those who do should be prosecuted.

But simple trespass will not hold up in court and is a false arrest.

Doug

[Doug1066]

1 minute ago, WVK said:

Who’s advising these young fools? High school guidance counselors should be advising against wasting time and money on useless degrees.  Same for college academic advisors but i guess it their in on the scam.

I have never found academic advisors to be of much use, except for signing permission slips to take restricted classes.

Doug

[+susieice]

Contractor paints over university Gaza protesters to cover up a pro-Palestine mural (msn.com)

Anti-war protesters at an Ohio university were sprayed with paint this week, as they tried to stop a pro-Palestinian mural from being erased on campus.

A video shows people spraying pro-Palestinian protesters at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, Ohio on Tuesday evening. The protesters were blocking an anti-war mural painted on a campus wall.

[+susieice]

10 hours ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

That's exactly what should happen to students who incite hate and violence. I just hope that this is not a broad policy and that innocent students are not penalized as well.

Sadly it doesn't sound like that will be the case. At least not for Columbia. But then the school intends to just push everyone through.

Judges: If You Graduate From Columbia, We're Not Hiring (msn.com)

[Doug1066]

38 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Yeah, college has become mostly nothing more than four more years of high school,

This is true.  Kids arrive on campus unable to do high school level work and by law state universities must accept them.  But the universities do not dumb down most courses.  Instead, they push poorer students into "basket-weaving" courses so they can tell their parents and friends they're college graduates.  Those courses are useless for job hunting, but the diploma can cover a hole in the wall paper.

Some people take university courses to get an education, not hunt for jobs.  A Ph.D. in Philosophy comes to mind.  You can't get a job, except in college teaching philosophy, but in such a program you study the great thinkers of the ages.  There is something to be said for getting an education, even if you can't find work.  Music is becoming such a subject.

Doug

[+Hammerclaw]

8 minutes ago, Doug1066 said:

And those who do should be prosecuted.

But simple trespass will not hold up in court and is a false arrest.

Doug

Not if your not a student. In any event, this whole campaign of demonstration is artificially contrived, orchestrated by well-paid outside agitators and funded by deep pockets such as Soros and some of the ultraliberal contributors to Biden's campaign, not that they're doing him any favors. Massive civil unrest got Richard Nixon elected in '68. 

[Doug1066]

3 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Not if your not a student.

Post #430.

[Doug1066]

3 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Not if your not a student. In any event, this whole campaign of demonstration is artificially contrived, orchestrated by well-paid outside agitators and funded by deep pockets such as Soros and some of the ultraliberal contributors to Biden's campaign, not that they're doing him any favors. Massive civil unrest got Richard Nixon elected in '68. 

More likely, the funders are the Israeli government trying to discredit the pro-Palestinians.  And they're succeeding.

Doug

[+Hammerclaw]

4 minutes ago, Doug1066 said:

This is true.  Kids arrive on campus unable to do high school level work and by law state universities must accept them.  But the universities do not dumb down most courses.  Instead, they push poorer students into "basket-weaving" courses so they can tell their parents and friends they're college graduates.  Those courses are useless for job hunting, but the diploma can cover a hole in the wall paper.

Some people take university courses to get an education, not hunt for jobs.  A Ph.D. in Philosophy comes to mind.  You can't get a job, except in college teaching philosophy, but in such a program you study the great thinkers of the ages.  There is something to be said for getting an education, even if you can't find work.  Music is becoming such a subject.

Doug

Half the kids in college, these days, don't even belong in college. Colleges lowered the bare to rake in more money. Half the kids aren't prepped for college, had mediocre grades in high school and spend half their freshman year taking remedial course for what they bother to learn in 12 years of public school. Half flunk out or hang on by the skin of their teeth by cheating. There's a lucrative economy on campus to facilitate that. Twelve years of bad habits accrued in public school don't simply disappear when they walk under the ivy. 

[+Hammerclaw]

15 minutes ago, Doug1066 said:

More likely, the funders are the Israeli government trying to discredit the pro-Palestinians.  And they're succeeding.

Doug

No, that's just silly.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/05/pro-palestinian-protests-columbia-university-funding-donors-00156135

[Zebra3]

8 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Half the kids in college, these days, don't even belong in college. Colleges lowered the bare to rake in more money. Half the kids aren't prepped for college, had mediocre grades in high school and spend half their freshman year taking remedial course for what they bother to learn in 12 years of public school. Half flunk out or hang on by the skin of their teeth by cheating. There's a lucrative economy on campus to facilitate that. Twelve years of bad habits accrued in public school don't simply disappear when they walk under the ivy. 

It's why they're easy to brainwash.

[CrimsonKing]

24 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

No, that's just silly.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/05/pro-palestinian-protests-columbia-university-funding-donors-00156135

I honestly never would have thought that fellow to be a conspiracy theorist...

[Kittens Are Jerks]

4 hours ago, Doug1066 said:

One explanation of the "outside agitators" is that they were pro-Israeli people trying to discredit the Palestinian cause.  Judging by MIT's response, they succeeded.

That's not an explanation — it's a lie.

[+susieice]

1 hour ago, Doug1066 said:

More likely, the funders are the Israeli government trying to discredit the pro-Palestinians.  And they're succeeding.

Doug

You need to google. A whole lot of alumni won't be funding anyone.