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Anti-Israel protests begin to fade as US universities close spring semester

Anti-Israel protests are starting to dwindle on US campuses as universities wrap up the semester and adjourn for summer break, but the sentiments that drove the protests over the past few weeks still remain, with many college students taking advantage of graduation ceremonies to publicly oppose Israel’s ongoing war against Hamas in Gaza.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/anti-israel-protests-begin-to-fade-as-us-universities-close-spring-semester/

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Despite war, Israeli universities rise in global rankings, Hebrew University placed highest

Although pro-Hamas presidents, professors, and students at universities throughout the US, Europe, and elsewhere are bashing Israel for political reasons, Israeli universities are nevertheless flourishing academically and in their research activities.

Five out of nine Israeli universities have improved in this year’s rankings, while the Hebrew University of Jerusalem (HU) has come out ahead of the Weizmann Institute of Science in Rehovot. The rankings were determined in the 2024 edition of the Global 2000 list by the Center for World University Rankings (CWUR), which is based in the United Arab Emirates.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-800948

Here's the full list of rankings. Harvard, MIT and Stanford take the top three spots.

https://cwur.org/2024.php

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On 5/9/2024 at 11:30 AM, Hammerclaw said:

Colleges lowered the bare to rake in more money.

In Oklahoma state universities are required by law to accept any graduate of an Oklahoma High School who applies.  By dumbing down graduation requirements the legislature imposed these low admission standards on the universities.

 

OSU had a race riot back in the 1960s.  A baseball team from Langston (black) came up to play OSU (white).  After the game some knuckleheads from both teams ran into each other in the Denny's parking lot.  A fist fight got started, but then, somebody got a bunch of baseball bats from the girls' clubhouse.  Members of other sports teams joined in for a free-for-all.  The police were called and re-established order, making each person sit down on the concrete.  They sorted the kids into teams and called their coaches (at 2:00 a.m.).  They reminded the coaches that these kids would lose their athletic scholarships if convicted of a felony.  The coaches took it from there.  All OSU sports teams were confined to dorms for the following year.  They could go out to go to class, or to a sporting event, but otherwise, couldn't even leave for a date.  There was no further trouble.

So the prospect of losing their scholarships wasn't enough to deter them.

This was a good way to handle the problem.  You don't want to wreck a kid's life for some stupid indiscression.  But you don't want them to do it again, either.  A year's house arrest did the trick.  The courts stayed out of it.

Doug

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On 5/9/2024 at 12:58 PM, Kittens Are Jerks said:

That's not an explanation — it's a lie.

How do you know?

Doug

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On 5/9/2024 at 1:10 PM, susieice said:

A whole lot of alumni won't be funding anyone.

Sounds like a good idea to me.  Let the administrations feel the pain.

Doug

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On 5/9/2024 at 3:58 PM, susieice said:

These people beg to differ. I can believe this because of the ease Hamas had in influencing the colleges. Not to mention the students.

Billions donated by Middle East to American colleges: OpenTheBooks (msn.com)

There are a lot of donations by oil nations to US universities.  This greases the skids for students from those countries to get admitted, even if they don't qualify.  It is also a way to bribe public officials.  When they can't directly pay the Congressman they're trying to bribe, they donate to his Alma Mater.  University of Arkansas, for example.

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72 hours left to retirement.  My stuff is all out of my office.  I very literally have nothing to do.  Not enough time to start a new project.  After that, I'll be burning unused leave until July 8.

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1 hour ago, Doug1066 said:

In Oklahoma state universities are required by law to accept any graduate of an Oklahoma High School who applies.  By dumbing down graduation requirements the legislature imposed these low admission standards on the universities.

 

OSU had a race riot back in the 1960s.  A baseball team from Langston (black) came up to play OSU (white).  After the game some knuckleheads from both teams ran into each other in the Denny's parking lot.  A fist fight got started, but then, somebody got a bunch of baseball bats from the girls' clubhouse.  Members of other sports teams joined in for a free-for-all.  The police were called and re-established order, making each person sit down on the concrete.  They sorted the kids into teams and called their coaches (at 2:00 a.m.).  They reminded the coaches that these kids would lose their athletic scholarships if convicted of a felony.  The coaches took it from there.  All OSU sports teams were confined to dorms for the following year.  They could go out to go to class, or to a sporting event, but otherwise, couldn't even leave for a date.  There was no further trouble.

So the prospect of losing their scholarships wasn't enough to deter them.

This was a good way to handle the problem.  You don't want to wreck a kid's life for some stupid indiscression.  But you don't want them to do it again, either.  A year's house arrest did the trick.  The courts stayed out of it.

Doug

When one breaks the law, one takes one's chances. The letter of the law is all that matters to some Judges and Juries. You may be treated as what you actually are, a legal adult.

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10 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

The letter of the law is all that matters to some Judges and Juries.

This is, unfortunately, true.  But there are other ways that don't ruin lives and actually resolve the problems.

My favorite story is that of a farmer I know:

Four local kids broke the windows out of an old house he owns.  They got caught.  But rather than prosecuting, he arranged with the court to have them pay for the damage and repairs and then dig a trench for a 200-yard water line across a county road.  Hard-packed gravel road is like trying to dig through rock.  They had the four kids, a social worker, the farmer and an "armed" guard out every day for several weeks while the kids did the work.  The farmer's wife brought sandwiches and drinks out for everybody.  One kid is now a social worker, another operates God's Garage, another is studying law and the fourth is a baker.  A real success story.

You want people to remember the punishment?  Make them sweat.

Doug

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1 minute ago, Doug1066 said:

This is, unfortunately, true.  But there are other ways that don't ruin lives and actually resolve the problems.

My favorite story is that of a farmer I know:

Four local kids broke the windows out of an old house he owns.  They got caught.  But rather than prosecuting, he arranged with the court to have them pay for the damage and repairs and then dig a trench for a 200-yard water line across a county road.  Hard-packed gravel road is like trying to dig through rock.  They had the four kids, a social worker, the farmer and an "armed" guard out every day for several weeks while the kids did the work.  The farmer's wife brought sandwiches and drinks out for everybody.  One kid is now a social worker, another operates God's Garage, another is studying law and the fourth is a baker.  A real success story.

You want people to remember the punishment?  Make them sweat.

Doug

Things don't work that way these days...

The poor fragile little fools would screech out "cruel and unusual" and in the states these protests have been happening,the judges would agree.

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13 minutes ago, Doug1066 said:

This is, unfortunately, true.  But there are other ways that don't ruin lives and actually resolve the problems.

My favorite story is that of a farmer I know:

Four local kids broke the windows out of an old house he owns.  They got caught.  But rather than prosecuting, he arranged with the court to have them pay for the damage and repairs and then dig a trench for a 200-yard water line across a county road.  Hard-packed gravel road is like trying to dig through rock.  They had the four kids, a social worker, the farmer and an "armed" guard out every day for several weeks while the kids did the work.  The farmer's wife brought sandwiches and drinks out for everybody.  One kid is now a social worker, another operates God's Garage, another is studying law and the fourth is a baker.  A real success story.

You want people to remember the punishment?  Make them sweat.

Doug

Well, that sounds real folksy, but the level of the offense plays a big part of how it's dealt with. Minors are dealt with more leniently if the offense is small. In my State, however, if a minor comments a felony, such as armed robbery, assault or murder, they are tried as an adult, serve their time as minors under juvenile law in a juvenile facility, then finish out their sentence in adult prison on maturity. 

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28 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Well, that sounds real folksy, but the level of the offense plays a big part of how it's dealt with. Minors are dealt with more leniently if the offense is small. In my State, however, if a minor comments a felony, such as armed robbery, assault or murder, they are tried as an adult, serve their time as minors under juvenile law in a juvenile facility, then finish out their sentence in adult prison on maturity. 

Ideally that should be the case in every state.

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3 hours ago, Doug1066 said:

How do you know?

i know because the evidence points in the other direction.

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Anti-Israel protesters place fake bloody corpses outside U of Michigan official’s home

Pro-Palestinian demonstrators wearing masks have pitched tents and placed fake bloody corpses outside the home of a University of Michigan board member, raising tension with the school as part of their ongoing protest against Israel amid its war in Gaza against Hamas.

Sarah Hubbard, chair of the university’s governing board, says the 6 a.m. demonstration at her home in Okemos involved 30 people. “They approached my home and taped a letter to my front door and proceeded to erect the tents. A variety of other things were left in the front yard,” Hubbard tells The Associated Press. “They started chanting with their bullhorn and pounding on a drum in my otherwise quiet neighborhood.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/anti-israel-protesters-place-fake-bloody-corpses-outside-u-of-michigan-officials-home/

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Jewish students sue Haverford College for creating a hostile environment

Students filed a lawsuit on Monday against Haverford College for violating the civil rights of Jewish students by creating a hostile environment toward Jews and for holding double standards on conduct against them – compared to other ethnic and religious groups.

The suit filed to the Pennsylvanian Eastern District Court by five plaintiffs contended that the college administration had acted contrary to Title VI of the 1964 Civil Rights Act by creating conditions in which Jewish students could not fully participate in classes and programs without fear of harassment. Jewish students said that they could not speak Hebrew in public, engage in mannerisms that would identify them as Jewish, and that they had to hide their beliefs and identities to avoid harassment.

https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-801403

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Harvard's lack of action on antisemitism exposed by Congressional Committee

The Committee on Education & the Workforce, led by Chairwoman Virginia Foxx (R-NC), highlighted on Thursday severe shortcomings in Harvard University’s approach to handling antisemitism on its campus. This revelation comes from a detailed investigative update which includes internal documents that were subpoenaed earlier this year.

According to the update, Harvard’s Antisemitism Advisory Group (AAG) had put forward a set of robust recommendations aimed at curbing antisemitic incidents at the university. These recommendations, however, were neither publicized nor implemented, raising questions about the university's commitment to combating this issue.

https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-801503

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On 5/13/2024 at 9:55 AM, CrimsonKing said:

Things don't work that way these days...

The poor fragile little fools would screech out "cruel and unusual" and in the states these protests have been happening,the judges would agree.

The people involved were from the town of Yale (Jim Thorpe's home town).  It's a rural area and the incident happened only about five years ago.

It's called "restorative justice."  The tribes have been using it for some time.  It seems to be getting more popular all the time.  In the long run it is cheaper than putting people in jail and can turn losers into productive citizens who do not repeat.

Doug

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6 minutes ago, Doug1066 said:

The people involved were from the town of Yale (Jim Thorpe's home town).  It's a rural area and the incident happened only about five years ago.

It's called "restorative justice."  The tribes have been using it for some time.  It seems to be getting more popular all the time.  In the long run it is cheaper than putting people in jail and can turn losers into productive citizens who do not repeat.

Doug

Again...the lazy, pampered,spoiled little creatures we now see running around in the streets are nothing more than educated idiots.

They are far too weak physically and mentally to handle any kind of "restorative justice" you have in mind...

Just you bringing up such an idea in the middle of a crowd of them would get you sucker punched in the back of the head and dragged through the streets.

I do not believe you actually know who you are defending.

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On 5/16/2024 at 11:12 AM, Zebra3 said:

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That was 1963.  For the current situation see:  https://www.cpusa.org/

1962 was the year of the Cuban Missile Crisis.  We almost found out (twice) first hand what atomic war would be like.  For a list of nuclear near misses, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_close_calls

Personally, I think coexistence is an imminently acceptable alternative to nuclear war.

 

Is the US willing to capitulate in Ukraine?  Republicans want to.  Should we?  That all depends on whether Putin is sane.  Is he?

 

This is a long list, so I am going to stop here.  I very much question where the author got his information and how accurate it is.  Some of these seem like a good idea for Putin, some seem like a good idea for both of us.  And some seem contrived and not likely to be true at all.

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14 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

Again...the lazy, pampered,spoiled little creatures we now see running around in the streets are nothing more than educated idiots.

They are far too weak physically and mentally to handle any kind of "restorative justice" you have in mind...

Just you bringing up such an idea in the middle of a crowd of them would get you sucker punched in the back of the head and dragged through the streets.

I do not believe you actually know who you are defending.

All it takes is a judge to say:  you do this.

Doug

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On 5/13/2024 at 10:10 AM, Hammerclaw said:

Well, that sounds real folksy, but the level of the offense plays a big part of how it's dealt with. Minors are dealt with more leniently if the offense is small. In my State, however, if a minor comments a felony, such as armed robbery, assault or murder, they are tried as an adult, serve their time as minors under juvenile law in a juvenile facility, then finish out their sentence in adult prison on maturity. 

One has to consider the risk to the public.

Doug

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Just now, Doug1066 said:

All it takes is a judge to say:  you do this.

Doug

Look at the cities and events we have been discussing Doug,the voted in politicians,the ones who write the laws and appoint many judges have made your recommendation impossible...

We have decayed from the head downward.

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On 5/13/2024 at 7:51 AM, Doug1066 said:

How do you know?

Doug

What evidence is that?

 

Doug

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Just now, CrimsonKing said:

Look at the cities and events we have been discussing Doug,the voted in politicians,the ones who write the laws and appoint many judges have made your recommendation impossible...

We have decayed from the head downward.

In fact, restorative justice is being used right now.

It won't work in every case, but it should be employed where applicable.

Doug

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