College campuses are in chaos with arrests being made all over the US

[Zebra3]

Hilarious.

University of Chicago protestors at pro-Palestine encampment rattle off list of demands on their Instagram - including HIV tests and Plan B

[Kittens Are Jerks]

1 hour ago, Antigonos said:

I don’t know if there’s a direct connection or not given the amount of time that has passed, but during the late Crusader period there was a similar expression used as a rallying cry by the Muslims, that they would drive all the infidels from the holy places  “into the sea”. The context both phrases having in common being the complete purging of their sworn enemies from the entirety of the Holy Land. 

I'm not sure of the connection, but the 'from the river to the sea' in this instance calls for the establishment of a State of Palestine from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, erasing the State of Israel and its people. Another phrase “Globalize the Intifada,” also calls for widespread violence against both Israelis and Jews across the globe.

https://www.ajc.org/translatehate/From-the-River-to-the-Sea

[Kittens Are Jerks]

Princeton University sticks with pro-Hamas, pro-Hezbollah, pro-terror professor

The pressure is mounting on Princeton University in New Jersey after Iranian-Americans and students appeared at a demonstration in late April, urging the Ivy League institution’s president to fire academic Seyed Hossein Mousavian for his alleged role in the assassinations of over 20 Iranian dissidents.

Mousavian is also facing calls for his summary dismissal because of his ongoing support for two US-designated terrorist organizations, Hamas and Hezbollah, and his endorsement of an Iranian regime fatwa to execute the British-American writer Salman Rushdie.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-799752

[CrimsonKing]

2 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Best way for a democracy to stay a democracy is  beat students into submission? 

At one of these "protest" half the people arrested weren't even students!

Again are some deliberately ignoring proof positive caught on video evidence of what all is going on here due to political lean?

I know some here aren't blind,deaf,nor ignorant...but damn, sometimes I wonder,meh forget it.

[Antigonos]

38 minutes ago, Setton said:

So not about the race, about the occupying force.

That’s what I took it to mean. Many Franks who surrendered or were captured converted to Islam and were then accepted.

Edited May 3 by Antigonos

[Doug1066]

15 minutes ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

Here's one source I bookmarked. Have not as yet had time to cross reference it with other sources.

https://www.jns.org/who-is-paying-for-the-american-campus-protests/

You could hardly have found a more pro-Jewish, anti-Palestinian source if you deliberately set out to do it.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_News_Syndicate

And your source did not name any "professional trouble-makers."  That seems strange when I hear reports of off-campus students being arrested at Columbia.  All you need to do is check the police blotter and link the names to sponsoring organizations.  This is simply bad journalism.

 

Seeking justice for Palestinians is not "Jew-hating."  It is nothing more than seeking an end to the mindless violence perpetrated in the name of the Nation of Israel.

If "Israel has a right to exist" then does not Palestine also have a right to exist?

If it is unacceptable for Hamas to kill 1200 Israeli citizens, then is it not also unacceptable for Netanyahu to kill 33,000 Palestinians.  This is overkill on a scale never dreamed of in Vietnam.  Netanyahu could and may be prosecuted by the UN as a war criminal. 

Netanyahu and Meir are Americans who moved to Israel.  In a very real sense modern Israel is an American Crusader state.  The US stamps "Made in America" on bombs Israel drops on Gaza.  Who is really at war here?

 

And I heard all of this mindless vitriol 54 years ago.  Nothing changes.

Doug

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-gaza-war-statistics-95a6407fac94e9d589be234708cd5005

Edited May 3 by Doug1066

[Kittens Are Jerks]

Just now, Doug1066 said:

You could hardly have found a more pro-Jewish, anti-Palestinian source if you deliberately set out to do it.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_News_Syndicate

And your source did not name any "professional trouble-makers."  That seems strange when I hear reports of off-campus students being arrested at Columbia.  All you need to do is check the police blotter and link the names to sponsoring organizations.

I'm aware of the bias, which is why I mentioned that I had yet to find time to cross-reference it with other sources. I was merely trying to be helpful and gave you the document as starting point. You are free to make of it as you wish.

As for names of those arrested, the police have not released any names that I'm aware of. All they've provided thus far is a breakdown of student and non-student numbers. If you find information that contradicts what I've just posted, by all means post it as it would help provide a clearer understanding.

[Doug1066]

21 minutes ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

Princeton University sticks with pro-Hamas, pro-Hezbollah, pro-terror professor

The pressure is mounting on Princeton University in New Jersey after Iranian-Americans and students appeared at a demonstration in late April, urging the Ivy League institution’s president to fire academic Seyed Hossein Mousavian for his alleged role in the assassinations of over 20 Iranian dissidents.

Mousavian is also facing calls for his summary dismissal because of his ongoing support for two US-designated terrorist organizations, Hamas and Hezbollah, and his endorsement of an Iranian regime fatwa to execute the British-American writer Salman Rushdie.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-799752

A university is supposed to present all sides.  You can't do that while firing your Palestinian professors.

Doug

[Kittens Are Jerks]

12 minutes ago, Doug1066 said:

Seeking justice for Palestinians is not "Jew-hating."  It is nothing more than seeking an end to the mindless violence perpetraited in the name of the Nation of Israel.

That would all depend on the type of justice that was sought.

[Doug1066]

2 minutes ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

As for names of those arrested, the police have not released any names that I'm aware of. All they've provided thus far is a breakdown of student and non-student numbers. If you find information that contradicts what I've just posted, by all means post it as it would help provide a clearer understanding.

If you don't have the information, then aren't you a little premature in posting an editorial?

Doug

[Doug1066]

Just now, Kittens Are Jerks said:

That would all depend on the type of justice that was sought.

If an action is not just for both sides, then it is not justice.  If you want peace, you must work for justice.

Doug

[Kittens Are Jerks]

Just now, Doug1066 said:

If you don't have the information, then aren't you a little premature in posting an editorial?

A simple thank you would have sufficed.

[Doug1066]

Just now, Kittens Are Jerks said:

A simple thank you would have sufficed.

You have presented no information.  What is there to thank you for?

Doug

[Kittens Are Jerks]

Just now, Doug1066 said:

You have presented no information.  What is there to thank you for?

Doug, with all due respect, are you here for civil discourse or are you here to inflame?

Frankly, it's not something I expected from you.

[CrimsonKing]

I remember all the times in the UFO,Bigfoot,ghost,ect sections...all people ever asked for was video proof.

Well video after video after video can show a mix of students and non students screaming hate speech about Jews...but some see ebil cops and all loving peaceful students.

Interesting times.

[+susieice]

34 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Lets use every possible opportunity to criticize and put the hate on every citizen that does not think like we do. It is always somebody else at fault.  Lets put on the jack boots and stomp them into the mud.  I am sure Russia and China are happy with the efforts.

Best way for a democracy to stay a democracy is  beat students into submission? Democracy always thrives under iron control by the state? 

The students will pay a price for all of this, Their education is disrupted, those that are arrested will suffer further real life consequences.  Already CEO's are stating they will not hire them.

And whose fault is that? 

[+susieice]

12 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

I remember all the times in the UFO,Bigfoot,ghost,ect sections...all people ever asked for was video proof.

Well video after video after video can show a mix of students and non students screaming hate speech about Jews...but some see ebil cops and all loving peaceful students.

Interesting times.

We all know there is a line between when a protest is peaceful and when it becomes illegal. No cops went onto any campus until the school asked. Everyone including the governor of California jumped on the cops for not moving faster at UCLA. A lot of these colleges asked for police to stay on campus until after commencement if they can actually hold the ceremony. I was at Vietnam war protests. They were mostly peaceful. Loud sometimes but peaceful. No cops around. And they were on college campuses. That's why I want to hear Doug's story about what happened at Kent State.

Edited May 3 by susieice

[Doug1066]

7 minutes ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

Doug, with all due respect, are you here for civil discourse or are you here to inflame?

Frankly, it's not something I expected from you.

I am trying to take a middle course, one that seeks to end the violence in the mid-East without taking sides.

I have heard all the vitriol now being posted on UM and in the media before.  People I knew have been its victims.  A girl I dated (Sandy Schuer) was murdered at Kent State. 

The nation does not need to repeat this.

Doug

[Zebra3]

 

[+susieice]

The death of those students was a terrible thing. Nine were wounded and have since made documentaries about what happened that day. Why did this happen?

[+susieice]

51 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

At one of these "protest" half the people arrested weren't even students!

Again are some deliberately ignoring proof positive caught on video evidence of what all is going on here due to political lean?

I know some here aren't blind,deaf,nor ignorant...but damn, sometimes I wonder,meh forget it.

They have the signs and the flyers that were being passed around too.

[Kittens Are Jerks]

2 minutes ago, Doug1066 said:

I have heard all the vitriol now being posted on UM and in the media before.  People I knew have been its victims.  A girl I dated (Sandy Schuer) was murdered at Kent State. 

I am am truly very sorry. What a nightmare that must have been.

I appreciate your explanation as I now have a better understanding of your point of view. It can't be easy to watch what's happening.

[+susieice]

12 minutes ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

I am am truly very sorry. What a nightmare that must have been.

I appreciate your explanation as I now have a better understanding of your point of view. It can't be easy to watch what's happening.

She wasn't even involved with the protest. She was walking across a large grassy commons area going from lunch to her next class and was a good distance away from the Guard. I've never agreed with the Guard opening fire arbitrarily on a large area full of students. There was another student who was standing on the steps of a building watching what was going on. He was also not a part of the protest. Innocent students suffered. But there was a reason why this all happened.

Edited May 3 by susieice

[Doug1066]

14 minutes ago, susieice said:

And whose fault is that? 

Not only are protestor's educations disrupted, so are those of other students.  I am not faulting the police for being on campus; maintaining order is their job (Putting pepper spray in the eyes of unresisting people is bullying, not legitimate police work.  But police will be police and rubber bullets and pepper spray against all and sundry is what you expect when you call them in.).  The fault, if any, lies in the administration for calling in the police too soon.

 

At Kent, 29 windows in bars across from the campus were broken.  (This is what prompted Rhodes to send in the National Guard without consulting the University administration.  One prof later said the whole thing could have been prevented by sending a D8 down the north side of State Street.).  The National Guard was not trained for crowd control and was issued bullets in opposition to Pentagon policy.  The morning of the shooting, SDS members set fire to three old empty WWII barracks buildings near the Commons.  They then cut the hoses of firemen who responded.  The fires were an architectural improvement to the campus.

The individual guardsmen were ordered (illegally) to fire and did so.  This was not self-defense.  Afterward, the Portage County Prosecutor charged the guardsmen with murder, then defended them in court so as to protect them under double jeopardy.  And that was a very powerful lesson in American jurisprudence.

What didn't make the newspapers was the bayoneting of one student in the back.  Also, there was a police charge on the opposite side of campus in which no one was injured.  When properly trained, police can do it right.

Doug

[CrimsonKing]

4 minutes ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

I am am truly very sorry. What a nightmare that must have been.

I appreciate your explanation as I now have a better understanding of your point of view. It can't be easy to watch what's happening.

Sad yes,but different times,different problems.

How one can watch visual evidence of hate being spewed and act as if several weeks later the cops are finally begged to come in and do something..."it's the cops fault" is some of the most,hell I honestly can't put it into words without getting into trouble.

Best I talk about something else for awhile 😆